WTF is going on with the gross lack of C7 QC?
#82
Drifting
He's one of those "glad I didn't buy a C7, think I'll just stick to my current ride" guys, because if makes him feel better about his current rides. Probably has nothing better to do than incite QC riots here -
#83
Scraping the splitter.
And most of those threads are "minor" issues such as squealing brakes, a wrinkle in the leather seat, dim center display, etc., etc.. I have seen nothing that points to repeating problems at this point. Can that happen? Sure...but it isn't now.
S.
#84
Burning Brakes
Most are at the top, huh?
I did a little due diligence, going back 17-pages and to last posting dates of September 28th, right when people started taking delivery.
There are a whopping twenty-one (21) threads about problems. Many of them minor, such as "squealing brakes" or "low display brightness", a "tilted HUD" and "stuck display pixels". One car was towed back to the dealer for a failed diff, another threw a code during the PDI that was tracked to an Ediff control module. A few people have commented that they don't like the level of orange peel, while many more have stated it's not an "issue".
Here's ALL of the threads for your edification.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...200-miles.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...s-missing.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...get-a-cel.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...yone-else.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ly-tilted.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...squealing.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...-displays.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ill-gm-do.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...-gremlins.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ner-hatch.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...eat-issue.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...oor-sills.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ish-issue.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...rt-review.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...-c7-trunk.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...age-floor.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...-delivery.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ht-levels.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...eel-short.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...in-2282-a.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...to-dealer.html
According to GM'er's list, 218 cars from members on this very forum are at status code 5000.
It's people like you, who continue to go around beating the drum that the C7 is a quality control failure that are propagating much of this. You don't own a C7 (you own a 4-year old 911 and an even older S197 Shelby GT350), but you're out there repeating what you 'heard' on the internet as if it's the gospel while a great many of us have no issues of concern with our cars.
And "many have complained about orange peel"? Really?
I see one (maybe two) actual C7 owners in these threads say they had excessive peel on their cars.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ange-peel.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ange-peel.html
Perhaps you can point out where the other "many" are.
S.
I did a little due diligence, going back 17-pages and to last posting dates of September 28th, right when people started taking delivery.
There are a whopping twenty-one (21) threads about problems. Many of them minor, such as "squealing brakes" or "low display brightness", a "tilted HUD" and "stuck display pixels". One car was towed back to the dealer for a failed diff, another threw a code during the PDI that was tracked to an Ediff control module. A few people have commented that they don't like the level of orange peel, while many more have stated it's not an "issue".
Here's ALL of the threads for your edification.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...200-miles.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...s-missing.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...get-a-cel.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...yone-else.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ly-tilted.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...squealing.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...-displays.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ill-gm-do.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...-gremlins.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ner-hatch.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...eat-issue.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...oor-sills.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ish-issue.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...rt-review.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...-c7-trunk.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...age-floor.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...-delivery.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ht-levels.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...eel-short.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...in-2282-a.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...to-dealer.html
According to GM'er's list, 218 cars from members on this very forum are at status code 5000.
It's people like you, who continue to go around beating the drum that the C7 is a quality control failure that are propagating much of this. You don't own a C7 (you own a 4-year old 911 and an even older S197 Shelby GT350), but you're out there repeating what you 'heard' on the internet as if it's the gospel while a great many of us have no issues of concern with our cars.
And "many have complained about orange peel"? Really?
I see one (maybe two) actual C7 owners in these threads say they had excessive peel on their cars.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ange-peel.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ange-peel.html
Perhaps you can point out where the other "many" are.
S.
That is not even relevant, you stated the issues were minor, my opinion is they are not minor. Any time you have to repaint something it is not minor IMO, no one wants a brand new car that needs paint work.
What does the cars I own have to do with anything? Why do you think I am on this forum? Could it be because I am interested in the C7??? I would not be on it otherwise. I will not buy the first year, but might be interested after. I still have to drive the car, that probably will not happen until Spring.
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My vin 956 was in Nashville for over 3 weeks and finally showed up at the dealer on Tuesday afternoon. I was there within the hour. My triple black Z51 was sitting there with the cover off and looked liked it had been at a motocross race...filthy dirty including the wheels. I just want to know how in the world a car with a cover on it got so fricken dirty. The guys at the dealer were great. They took the car to put nitrogen in the tires and start the detailing for delivery. I told my sales person to give me a call when it was ready for delivery. I got a call from him that evening saying there was an issue. The detailer found a big scratch over the drivers side tail light and spoiler. The air conditioning vent on the drivers side was broken and the plastic seat cover plate at the bottom of the drivers side seat was broke. I was told we could have the parts in a few days, but the body shop would have the car for sometime. I decided the next morning to just pass on my 2014 Stingray for now and I am going to call GM tomorrow and open a complaint with them.
#86
Safety Car
If they are such minor and easy to fix problems why isn't "QUALITY CONTROL" noticing and fixing them before they hit dealerships? Isn't the OP complaining about Quality control and not about the actual problems? GM is the one that is being stupid and not paying someone with eyes $25 to carefully go over each car with a check list and find these "minor problems". They are shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes other cars have problems too in QC but usually they are not $50-$80k highly anticipated flagship sports cars. GM should at least have these first cars put under a microscope for this very same reason. Most if not all of these problems could have been fixed before they hit the showroom. Not saying there is an epidemic but watching people accept and defend stupid business practices makes me realize how we let politicians get away with the crap we do. too many fan bois.
Again the OP complained about the Quality control of GM not the problems with the car. For all I know the Corvette could be the best built car ever in the history of cars and other cars have 10 times more problems but they have good QC and take care of them before they hit the dealers. You all admit there are problems, and you all admit that most are small easy to fix problems so either QC sucks, or QC is reporting it and GM is saying f&#k it, let the dealerships fix the problem. Those are your 2 choices. I do not see, even if you are ok with that, how you cannot see how some who actually bought the car are disappointed in that.
Oh and if you order from a good dealership they should QC the car before you take delivery and fix any problems. Its pretty **** poor business when the customer has to find blemishes on your product. I know this because I refinish furniture for a living and I personally go through QC on a daily basis.
#87
Le Mans Master
Bottom line here, guys (and gals), it's still a Chevy, not a hand-built Ferrari. There are going to be problems. C6 early adopters also had their share of problems. It happens with every generation. Not one single piece (well, maybe one) on this car is the same as the C6, so there will be a learning curve at the plant and they'll need time to work the bugs out of the process.
#88
Hey OP maybe one of these might fit your tastes. Tired of all the negative BS, you don't have to buy a C7.
DEFECTS per100 CARS (2012 J.D. Powers)
Lexus 73, Jaguar 75, Porsche 75, Cadillac 80, Honda 83, Acura 84, Infiniti 84
Toyota 88, Mercedes-Benz 96, BMW 97, Mazda 97, GMC 99, Nissan 99, Ram 99
Industry Average 102
DEFECTS per100 CARS (2012 J.D. Powers)
Lexus 73, Jaguar 75, Porsche 75, Cadillac 80, Honda 83, Acura 84, Infiniti 84
Toyota 88, Mercedes-Benz 96, BMW 97, Mazda 97, GMC 99, Nissan 99, Ram 99
Industry Average 102
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Just some of the issue discussed on the 1st four pages of F-Chat on the 458 section.
Provided for a bit of perspective.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...key-paint.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...tle-noise.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...r-failure.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...ld-expect.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...l-failure.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...et-stereo.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...nger-door.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...ess-crack.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...sion-help.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...ctro-woes.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...dct-issue.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...t-problem.html
Provided for a bit of perspective.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...key-paint.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...tle-noise.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...r-failure.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...ld-expect.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...l-failure.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...et-stereo.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...nger-door.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...ess-crack.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...sion-help.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...ctro-woes.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...dct-issue.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458...t-problem.html
#90
Burning Brakes
Hey OP maybe one of these might fit your tastes. Tired of all the negative BS, you don't have to buy a C7.
DEFECTS per100 CARS (2012 J.D. Powers)
Lexus 73, Jaguar 75, Porsche 75, Cadillac 80, Honda 83, Acura 84, Infiniti 84
Toyota 88, Mercedes-Benz 96, BMW 97, Mazda 97, GMC 99, Nissan 99, Ram 99
Industry Average 102
DEFECTS per100 CARS (2012 J.D. Powers)
Lexus 73, Jaguar 75, Porsche 75, Cadillac 80, Honda 83, Acura 84, Infiniti 84
Toyota 88, Mercedes-Benz 96, BMW 97, Mazda 97, GMC 99, Nissan 99, Ram 99
Industry Average 102
Read below
http://autos.jdpower.com/content/pre...lity-study.htm
See how they mention most of the defects are not knowing how to pair a phone to bluetooth or not knowing how to use the Navigation system.
Last edited by Carnut12; 10-12-2013 at 08:30 AM.
#91
I've missed being on the forum. I'm not an owner. Just an enthusiast who could never afford to buy one. But, all things Corvette are a passion of mine - collectibles, etc...... but, I really thought the C7 feedback and general info that's "out there" would be a whole new era for Corvette. Then I remembered! This is the USA. And like so many
decision makers from the top down, we are a selfish and uncaring population in general. So, it has to remain that way even in something that should be SACRED - like the Corvette.
I will say that Chrysler is very **** about how they ship and examine a Viper. Sure, they don't make or sell near as many, but, I guess figures in excess of 60,000 dollars don't really mean THAT much to GM.
I wish GM luck in getting to be a bit more **** retentive in their approach to the "details", and I wish all of you who can afford to buy one the best of luck . Sincerely.
decision makers from the top down, we are a selfish and uncaring population in general. So, it has to remain that way even in something that should be SACRED - like the Corvette.
I will say that Chrysler is very **** about how they ship and examine a Viper. Sure, they don't make or sell near as many, but, I guess figures in excess of 60,000 dollars don't really mean THAT much to GM.
I wish GM luck in getting to be a bit more **** retentive in their approach to the "details", and I wish all of you who can afford to buy one the best of luck . Sincerely.
#92
And.... (even though as a non Vette owner I go steadily unrecognized - but am thankfull that so many right wingers allow Clinton lovers like me on here - go Hillary 2016 and all that), I might add, that, like so many things in this country (not that other locals on the planet haven't been afflicted with Chronic Greed Disease) , are "farmed out" to the point of the farmed out contractor farming out parts of his contracted agreements with a couple other sub contractors who are farmed out to watch over the guys who do the farming out !!!!
All in the interest of someone saving money on a duty or mission that should be performed by a high paid professional. Right down to the dealers who subcontract out firms to do detailing. Every business owner dreams of getting in on the "Lawn Care and Landscaping" abuse system of doing business. We won't mention nationalities, but everyone knows what goes on. Is it any wonder "they" killed Lincoln ?
So why does any of the mishandling of a new Corvette from BG to the dealer suprise anyone? Do the wealthy take a perverse enjoyment that a bunch of indifferent and bottom feeder type workers handled their Vette along the way in a sort of reverse appreciation of the way things operate , labor wise, in our once great country? Perhaps. But should I ever get lucky with a windfall lottery hit or the like, I will take delivery in BG where I will go over the unit with a fine toothed comb before signing off on it. Orange peel? I thought that died in the mid 90's!
Guess not. 70K dosen't buy one much exclusivity it seems.
All in the interest of someone saving money on a duty or mission that should be performed by a high paid professional. Right down to the dealers who subcontract out firms to do detailing. Every business owner dreams of getting in on the "Lawn Care and Landscaping" abuse system of doing business. We won't mention nationalities, but everyone knows what goes on. Is it any wonder "they" killed Lincoln ?
So why does any of the mishandling of a new Corvette from BG to the dealer suprise anyone? Do the wealthy take a perverse enjoyment that a bunch of indifferent and bottom feeder type workers handled their Vette along the way in a sort of reverse appreciation of the way things operate , labor wise, in our once great country? Perhaps. But should I ever get lucky with a windfall lottery hit or the like, I will take delivery in BG where I will go over the unit with a fine toothed comb before signing off on it. Orange peel? I thought that died in the mid 90's!
Guess not. 70K dosen't buy one much exclusivity it seems.
#95
And.... (even though as a non Vette owner I go steadily unrecognized - but am thankfull that so many right wingers allow Clinton lovers like me on here - go Hillary 2016 and all that), I might add, that, like so many things in this country (not that other locals on the planet haven't been afflicted with Chronic Greed Disease) , are "farmed out" to the point of the farmed out contractor farming out parts of his contracted agreements with a couple other sub contractors who are farmed out to watch over the guys who do the farming out !!!!
All in the interest of someone saving money on a duty or mission that should be performed by a high paid professional. Right down to the dealers who subcontract out firms to do detailing. Every business owner dreams of getting in on the "Lawn Care and Landscaping" abuse system of doing business. We won't mention nationalities, but everyone knows what goes on. Is it any wonder "they" killed Lincoln ?
So why does any of the mishandling of a new Corvette from BG to the dealer suprise anyone? Do the wealthy take a perverse enjoyment that a bunch of indifferent and bottom feeder type workers handled their Vette along the way in a sort of reverse appreciation of the way things operate , labor wise, in our once great country? Perhaps. But should I ever get lucky with a windfall lottery hit or the like, I will take delivery in BG where I will go over the unit with a fine toothed comb before signing off on it. Orange peel? I thought that died in the mid 90's!
Guess not. 70K dosen't buy one much exclusivity it seems.
All in the interest of someone saving money on a duty or mission that should be performed by a high paid professional. Right down to the dealers who subcontract out firms to do detailing. Every business owner dreams of getting in on the "Lawn Care and Landscaping" abuse system of doing business. We won't mention nationalities, but everyone knows what goes on. Is it any wonder "they" killed Lincoln ?
So why does any of the mishandling of a new Corvette from BG to the dealer suprise anyone? Do the wealthy take a perverse enjoyment that a bunch of indifferent and bottom feeder type workers handled their Vette along the way in a sort of reverse appreciation of the way things operate , labor wise, in our once great country? Perhaps. But should I ever get lucky with a windfall lottery hit or the like, I will take delivery in BG where I will go over the unit with a fine toothed comb before signing off on it. Orange peel? I thought that died in the mid 90's!
Guess not. 70K dosen't buy one much exclusivity it seems.