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Old 09-02-2009, 12:15 PM
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I have a 95 LT1 6spd w/51K miles. It is basically stock execept for Hypertech tune and the K&N air filter. I do take the car to the track. I need a new throwout bearing and figured I might as well do the clutch too. Does anyone have any recomendations or advice would be appreciated?
Old 09-03-2009, 09:32 AM
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I gotta say I am really shocked. Nobody has an opinion. Does anyone see a reason not to use the stock setup?
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With the stock engine the stock clutch setup would be fine. I have the stock clutch in my L98 and it holds up at the track.
Old 09-03-2009, 10:35 AM
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*sigh*

The limited responses are because this issue has been beat to death here a thousand times.

As far as taking the power and abuse, the stock unit would be fine. The problem comes if/when you need a flywheel. Right now, there are no replacement dual mass flywheels being made. There is still some old stock available, but once those are gone, they are gone. They also command a premium price right now, North of $1,000 in most cases.

The problem with ditching the dual mass and converting to a single mass flywheel is noise. The transmission in your car, by inherent design, is a noisy piece. Not as noisy as earlier ZF6 transmissions, but noisy none the less. The dual mass helps to absorb that noise and quiet the transmission down. The popular rumor is that is the reason GM decided to use the dual mass, but I've never seen any actual documentation or proof of that.

If you do decide to go single mass, there are some options for you. Carolina Clutch has some good options for low powered stock replacement units. Centerforce also makes a good unit with the dual friction pressure plate. I use the Centerforce unit with a single mass and like it.

Lastly, why do you think the throw out bearing is bad? In all my time around C4 Corvettes, I've never heard of a throw out bearing actually being bad. Most of the time, when people think the throw out bearing is bad, it's mis-diagnosed because of the inherent noise of the transmission. I'm not saying that it isn't possible, but I haven't ran across it.
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Sorry for bothering everyone with a "beat" subject. I did a search and found nothing.

As far as why I think I need a new bearing:

With the cluch pedal realeased I have a good bit of noise like a grumbling bearing (depressed it goes away). It has gotten worse over the psat few years. I figure the guy I bought it from may have rode around with his foot on the pedal or something like that. Anyway, last time at the track, I took the car out the next day and now I have a louder grumbling and with the pedal depressed fully it has almost a ticking/clacking kind of sound. If you let up a half inch the noises are completley gone. I am not sure if the new noise is a bad finger on the clutch or what it is. I really need to tear it down and examine it.

Thanks for the help. I will probably stick with the stock clutch setup for now since it will be a while before I would be making any big power increases.
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Sorry for bothering everyone with a "beat" subject. I did a search and found nothing.
You didn't bother anyone. The people who are tired of discussing this simply won't bother to reply.

As far as searching, and advanced search for the word "clutch" in the C4 tech section yields 250 responses. Some of the more pertinent information can be found in these threads:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...ir-clutch.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-g...heel-itch.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...e-lt1-zf6.html

Also, www.zfdoc.com is a great resource.

As far as why I think I need a new bearing:

With the cluch pedal realeased I have a good bit of noise like a grumbling bearing (depressed it goes away). It has gotten worse over the psat few years. I figure the guy I bought it from may have rode around with his foot on the pedal or something like that. Anyway, last time at the track, I took the car out the next day and now I have a louder grumbling and with the pedal depressed fully it has almost a ticking/clacking kind of sound. If you let up a half inch the noises are completley gone. I am not sure if the new noise is a bad finger on the clutch or what it is. I really need to tear it down and examine it.

Thanks for the help. I will probably stick with the stock clutch setup for now since it will be a while before I would be making any big power increases.
It certainly sounds like it could be a throw out bearing. Good luck with it, let us know what you find.
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I did try the advanced search, but it said there were no results. (Just my luck) I will check out these other links though. Thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted by Z~max
As far as why I think I need a new bearing:

With the cluch pedal realeased I have a good bit of noise like a grumbling bearing (depressed it goes away). It has gotten worse over the psat few years.
Your saying when you have the clutch out in neutral it makes noise?

When you push the clutch in the noise goes away?

This is most likely common ZF6 trans noise. Yours is getting worse because the DM flywheel is wearing out.

A bad throwout brg will be the oposite. It will make noise when you load it... ie push the clutch in.
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Originally Posted by rklessdriver
Your saying when you have the clutch out in neutral it makes noise?

When you push the clutch in the noise goes away?
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Yes.

Yes. Until now. With the clutch pedal pushed in to the floor, it makes a louder noise with a clicking or clacking type of sound. Like a spring finger was catching on the bearing. Maybe a bolt backing out?

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Originally Posted by rklessdriver
Your saying when you have the clutch out in neutral it makes noise?

When you push the clutch in the noise goes away?

This is most likely common ZF6 trans noise. Yours is getting worse because the DM flywheel is wearing out.

A bad throwout brg will be the oposite. It will make noise when you load it... ie push the clutch in.
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Good to know. I have the noise as the OP described when the clutch is out and in neutral. I was under the impression it was a throw out bearing but after searching now know that it is normal becase of the DM.
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Originally Posted by Z~max
With the clutch pedal pushed in to the floor, it makes a louder noise with a clicking or clacking type of sound. Like a spring finger was catching on the bearing. Maybe a bolt backing out?
Something is broke. Could be a part of one of the fingers hitting something, could be a bolt or any number of this. You will have to take it apart to see.
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If noise bothers you, stay with stock parts.

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