Originally Posted by sam90lx (Post 1583737441)

The true comparison will be a 2013 Z06 with the Michelins.

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583736456)

I am gonna say there may be some validity to what joe is saying. I saw datalogs of the car taken by a powertrain engineer and it uses various factors (maf, fuel consumption, etc) to calculate hp output and it did go over 450...to about 453...

I will say though, there is a lot more on display here vs the auto show or sema...kudos gm. The hollow control arms are impressive. WAY stronger and WAY lighter...held them both.

All I can tell you is, I talked Jim Mero for quite some time...and while you can tell he needs to be tight lipped...he LOVES this car and what it can do. He kept repeating...on a track, you'll be amazed. Zr1/z06 is gonna be ridiculous.


He did warn to NOT BUY IN to motor trend reviews if they release early VIR times...he said he knows what he ran...with 100lbs of extra equipment.

I must say, the effort put in to every bit and piece of this car is impressive. They said if they added even a gram of weight, Tadge wanted them to justify why.

There is some issues with new regulated curb clearance standards (yet more regulated bs) that leads to how much the wheel can protrude from the body line or something along those lines....I am getting clarification tomorrow...but it seems it spells the end of wide bodies.


Tomorrow is racing talk, and design is coming. If you have questions, post them and I willtry to fill in the blanks by seeking out answers tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Torch2013C6 (Post 1583737669)

Will someone please ask why GM choose not to put some sort of roll over protection on the Convertible.

Originally Posted by 427 C5 (Post 1583737703)

Originally Posted by jimmyb (Post 1583737752)

Car and Driver has run the Grand Course in each of the Lightning Laps, so the year to year comparisons are real. They point that out each year as, obviously, if they did different track configurations, the year to year comparisons would be meaningless.

As far as Jim Mero's times, I will be interested to see his published time in the C7 Z51. If indeed he got that car to 2:50 - 2:51, he is a BUNCH faster than the C&D boys!!!!

Jimmy

Originally Posted by z edge (Post 1583737932)

are they gonna make it a 2 + 2 ?

Originally Posted by OnPoint (Post 1583737898)

I would bet Mero is a bunch faster than most everybody.

Originally Posted by Jawnathin (Post 1583738019)

AWD doesn't belong in a Corvette. If you want an AWD car, go buy something else.

Its the same as asking why don't they make a steak that tastes like spaghetti. If you really want spaghetti, go buy spaghetti. Leave the steak alone.

Originally Posted by 427 C5 (Post 1583737956)

If by that, you mean will they offer a AWD option, they better if they want to sell more cars and keep up with the competition.

Originally Posted by CJJ (Post 1583738033)

why do you bring this up on every post? .....getting old

Originally Posted by Jawnathin (Post 1583738019)

AWD doesn't belong in a Corvette. If you want an AWD car, go buy something else.

Its the same as asking why don't they make a steak that tastes like spaghetti. If you really want spaghetti, go buy spaghetti. Leave the steak alone.

Originally Posted by 427 C5 (Post 1583737956)

If by that, you mean will they offer a AWD option, they better if they want to sell more cars and keep up with the competition.

Originally Posted by OnPoint (Post 1583738087)

OP,

Hurry back. . . . . .

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583738144)

Dct was talked about with powertrain engineers afterwards. They said it, of course, is something they are looking at, but right now it just isnt on the table. Some auto tranny talk occurred as well, but it was fairly evasive at this point. They just said they've worked to make the 6spd better and better.

I'm gonna ask Tadge about the damn rollover just to kill that dead horse...lol.

I'm waitin for the attack about the taillights or ass end design...lol. These old boys are fired up..llol.

Originally Posted by JoesC5 (Post 1583737428)

I never said I have had my Z06 at Road Atlanta. You're hallucinating again. You have been breathing to many wax fumes. Step away from the wax.

Originally Posted by TTRotary (Post 1583736667)

There is no such thing (stock) as a "C6 Z51 GS". There is the Z51, and then there is the GS. Different suspension and tires sizes / type. What they are saying is: the C7 Z51 is faster than C6 Z51. This is consistent with prior info that the C7 Base will run about as good as the C6 Z51 and the C7 Z51 will be "competitive" with a GS (Tadge's statement).

Somehow, Tadge's statement got twisted around so that the forum conventional wisdom is that he stated a C7 Z51 will run with a C6 Z06. He never said that.

Originally Posted by 427 C5 (Post 1583738186)

Get off your mother's computer.
Adults are trying to talk here.

Originally Posted by 427 C5 (Post 1583738163)

Thank you.

Can you dog them for the HONEST answer to these:

WHY is DCT off the table?

WHEN is DCT coming ??

Can you present the same questions for All Wheel Drive as an OPTION ???

Thank you.

Originally Posted by michaelinmech (Post 1583738301)

Some adults are trying to talk here - another is just trying to dominate the Thread AGAIN with relentless questions about DCT & AWD, 2 features the C7 does not have. I'll bet most here would prefer to see the Thread continue in the direction of what we can learn from the Bash about what the C7 does have and can do . . . . . I'm just sayin - it seems so much more productive :thumbs:

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583738515)

Well, I'll be back there in the am. Gonna ask about c7r, timelines, etc. Also, michelin will be talking as well. I already shook downmichelin in detroit and they confirmed the z06 "or whatever they call it" will have a wider tire.

Gonna see what I can find out.

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583738566)

Here is a departing pic for the night. Interesting because it appears this rear lower fascia detaches. Could be good for various reasons...

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps24cc168c.jpg

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583738144)

Dct was talked about with powertrain engineers afterwards. They said it, of course, is something they are looking at, but right now it just isnt on the table. Some auto tranny talk occurred as well, but it was fairly evasive at this point. They just said they've worked to make the 6spd better and better.

I'm gonna ask Tadge about the damn rollover just to kill that dead horse...lol.

I'm waitin for the attack about the taillights or ass end design...lol. These old boys are fired up..llol.

Originally Posted by sam90lx (Post 1583738669)

Ask him what is obsolete?:D

Originally Posted by 427 C5 (Post 1583738186)

Get off your mother's computer.
Adults are trying to talk here.

Originally Posted by avette (Post 1583738505)

didn't you post that you were leaving this forum and weren't going to beat the dead horse of awd and dct, please please please go buy something else gm is not listening to you, this is becoming pathetic, seek medical help dude, seriously...

Originally Posted by 427 c5 (Post 1583738163)

thank you.

Can you dog them for the honest answer to these:

Why is DCT off the table?

When is DCT coming ??

Can you present the same questions for all wheel drive as an option ???

Thank you.

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583738515)

Well, I'll be back there in the am. Gonna ask about c7r, timelines, etc. Also, michelin will be talking as well. I already shook downmichelin in detroit and they confirmed the z06 "or whatever they call it" will have a wider tire.

Gonna see what I can find out.

Originally Posted by JustinStrife (Post 1583738050)

Thanks for quoting him. I have him on ignore as I got tired of the troll posts in every thread by him. I wasn't sure if he wised up or not. Guess not. :rofl:

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583738566)

Here is a departing pic for the night. Interesting because it appears this rear lower fascia detaches. Could be good for various reasons...

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps24cc168c.jpg

Originally Posted by michaelinmech (Post 1583738301)

Some adults are trying to talk here - another is just trying to dominate the Thread AGAIN with relentless questions about DCT & AWD, 2 features the C7 does not have. I'll bet most here would prefer to see the Thread continue in the direction of what we can learn from the Bash about what the C7 does have and can do . . . . . I'm just sayin - it seems so much more productive :thumbs:

Originally Posted by gthal (Post 1583738683)

You really are petermj... or at least you are really mimicking him with the one liner, sarcastic posts :lol:

Originally Posted by jr3 (Post 1583738774)

They probly did that because they knew thousands would be headed to body shops for "body color" paint. :D

It should make it a lot easier and a lot less $$$ to just pop off the lower rear bumper panel and paint it body color... could make it a easy mod.

Originally Posted by Magister Ludi (Post 1583738601)

I presume you are aware of the post by Hendricks that you can expect pricing info tomorrow at about 1:00.

Originally Posted by sam90lx (Post 1583738965)

We are looking for apples to apples, not a better driver or better tires on one or the other.

Originally Posted by sam90lx (Post 1583738965)

We are looking for apples to apples, not a better driver or better tires on one or the other.

Originally Posted by Hemi Dave (Post 1583738970)

Say WHAT???

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1583739042)

Stock C6 VS stock C7 is apples to apples.

Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder (Post 1583739043)

Exactly... and you won't know any of that until you get a real-world test of a C7 Z51 vs. C6Z06 at the same track, same day, same driver as was recently done with the C6 ZR1 and the new Viper.

Originally Posted by JoesC5 (Post 1583735640)

I could care less about times around VIR. I want to know the times on the Tail of the Dragon, mixed in with the slow Harleys. the stupid crazy Sport Bikers, and the local SUV's and pickup trucks. That's where the action is.

BlueOx wants to know the time it takes to wax the C7.

Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder (Post 1583739043)

Exactly... and you won't know any of that until you get a real-world test of a C7 Z51 vs. C6Z06 at the same track, same day, same driver as was recently done with the C6 ZR1 and the new Viper.

Originally Posted by sam90lx (Post 1583739298)

Dreamerak.......please....independent testing!!!

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583740497)

There is something on the schedule for 1:15 just called "reveal" in the courtyard. Maybe thats the pricing announcement. I"ll be there and have it posted when I hear it.

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583740497)

There is something on the schedule for 1:15 just called "reveal" in the courtyard. Maybe thats the pricing announcement. I"ll be there and have it posted when I hear it.

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583738144)

I'm waitin for the attack about the taillights or ass end design...lol.

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583744678)

Base 51k, vert 56k, z51 package 2800. All prices + 995.00 destination! Wow! Pics and a ton of info coming. Weight is 3298

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583744716)

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps4607d1f1.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps68009aef.jpg

Originally Posted by ldepalma (Post 1583744695)

Is the weight true at 3298?

Originally Posted by LS1LT1 (Post 1583744749)

Yeah is that confirmed as 'official'/accurate I wonder?

Originally Posted by BuckyThreadkiller (Post 1583744771)

Sounds like it's coming from the Chief Engineer. How much more official and accurate do you want?

Originally Posted by LS1LT1 (Post 1583744794)

Yeah that would certainly make it somewhat official and accurate for sure LOL. ;)

Originally Posted by BuckyThreadkiller (Post 1583744822)

But then I notice on the slide - Estimated

Originally Posted by BuckyThreadkiller (Post 1583744822)

But then I notice on the slide - Estimated

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583744837)

Stiffness with roof OFF still exceeds c6z

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583744837)

Some details of note:

AFM is easily deactivated. It only works when you are in selected eco mode. When the auto is in manual mode it doesnt work either. Afm only activates at very low throttle and is hardly noticeable

Bose set a benchmark with this car when equipped with 10spkr system (add opt sub)

Stiffness with roof OFF still exceeds c6z

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583744958)

I couldnt resist ox.

Though, I left my z06 at home...arrived in my Honda Crv, and Bill Ware treated me like the biggest *******. So, that was my friends first impression of the museum and people. This guy was beyond rude and told me to get "my ass down to the side parking lot".

Golf is a gentlemens sport and I though Corvette was a gentlemens brand but...not that day.

Originally Posted by skank (Post 1583744995)

There are 210.9 lbs. of new additional weight but obviously weight savings at other parts for a net gain of 90 lbs. 3298-3208=90 Not bad considering all the quality upgrades. This car is awesome.

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583745264)

Tadge evaded answering how much mass z51 adds...only saying...you have to consider bigger brakes, oil sump, coolers, etc.

Originally Posted by SBC_and_a_stick (Post 1583745349)

The supercharged beast is going to break 3500lbs.

Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder (Post 1583745388)

IMO that's a threshold the Corvette should not cross. Shoot... 3400lbs more like it. That's just getting too heavy.

Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583745301)

Joesc5...well, there is a simple explanation here.

Many of the types who wished their z51 had a fender badge, then added it remian the same. The z51 is not a model...its an option. Therefore if you get a 2014 stingray with the proper options, it conforms to the criteria in that pic.

Same as if you got an auto tranny...you cant expect the same times as manual.

Tadge did say, not only was it faster than 4 seconds 0-60, it was comfortably faster.