Top Tier Gasolines - Sunoco Not Top tier?
Sports Car or GRM just had an article on Top Tier Gas. So I did a search for top tiers gas. Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, and several others including Turkey Hill (which is a local convienience store in our area). Sheetz, WAWA and SUNOCO were not. Sunoco not being a top tier gas surprised me since Sunoco pumps are at Summit Point and Pocono.
Anybody familiar with Sunoco and why they are not listed? |
All I know is last year around here, the Sunoco dropped all their octane ratings down and still charge the same price. The Ultra dropped from 94 to 93 while the premium dropped from 93 down to 91. So they charge 10 cents extra for Ultra that they used to sell as premium. The only stations that carry 93 around here anymore are Marathon and McClures. Also around here McClures and Phillips 66 are starting to charge more for Premium. It used to be 20 cents extra for premium over the standard grage, but now is 27 cents extra. What's going on with that? So now my choices are narrowed down to 92 octane from Speedway or 93 from Marathon. They still charge the 20 cents extra for Premium.
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Keep in mind that the sign on the pump has almost nothing to do with who refines the gasoline. Sunoco for instance has a lot of stations in Florida but their refinery is in Philly. You actually think we get that product in Florida?
They work a trade with another refiner. We may be getting BP gasoline from the Sunoco pumps. Who knows? They certainly aren't about to tell us. Richard Newton Speed TV Blog |
Top Tier fuels are not all that ppl claim
Top Tier fuels tend to have many additives, which are added at the station / tank farm distribution center Fuel is fuel as Richard mentions. All come from the same tank farm, and through the same pipe line. Use the least expensive high volume station near you. Should have the freshest fuel. |
Originally Posted by rfn026
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They work a trade with another refiner. We may be getting BP gasoline from the Sunoco pumps. Who knows? They certainly aren't about to tell us. ]
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Additives are added at the tank farm before shipping.
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I've frankly not seen any differences between Top Tier and regular fuels.
Have a good one, Mike |
Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
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I've frankly not seen any differences between Top Tier and regular fuels.
Have a good one, Mike |
Sunoco is at the track at Pocono as it is good advertising for them or at any NASCAR event. They pay NASCAR a fee to be the the selected gas of NASCAR.
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I think SUNOCO has been at every track I have been to with gas available.
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Originally Posted by rfn026
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Keep in mind that the sign on the pump has almost nothing to do with who refines the gasoline. Sunoco for instance has a lot of stations in Florida but their refinery is in Philly. You actually think we get that product in Florida?
They work a trade with another refiner. We may be getting BP gasoline from the Sunoco pumps. Who knows? They certainly aren't about to tell us. Richard Newton Speed TV Blog |
Gasoline pipe lines
Pipeline label codes are colored green for crude oil, red for gas and blue for products, such as gasoline, propane and ethylene. http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/un...elines_map.jpg pipe line operation http://www.trforum.org/journal/2005sum/article8.php Table 2: Market Shares of the Largest Crude Oil Pipeline Companies Percent of Total Barrel-Miles in 2001 Pipeline Company Crude Oil Market Share Enbridge/Lakehead 22% BP 18% Shell/Equilon 12.9% Marathon/MAP 11.8% Conoco/Phillips 6.9% Express 4.2% Exxon/Mobil 3.6% Montreal Pipeline 3.4% Sun 2.5% Koch 1.9% |
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Does 10% ethanol or E10 that we buy " Clean as we Drive?" I have read that most fuel conditioners , additives , injector cleaners or snake oil that we can buy and add to the tank is just ethanol? What is in Shell's additive package whether it's E10 or 100% gas ? I agree to keep it fresh. Alcohol attracts and binds to water.
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I wonder if most of the additives are for the normal driver. When we get our cars on track at WOT, that seems to burn all the crap and any build up. Cars run great then
Just about All fuels in the US is at least E10 and up to E15. Stations can have up to E15 without posting a sign about Etoh content. Attachment 48180754 |
Originally Posted by Snuckley
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Does 10% ethanol or E10 that we buy " Clean as we Drive?" I have read that most fuel conditioners , additives , injector cleaners or snake oil that we can buy and add to the tank is just ethanol? What is in Shell's additive package whether it's E10 or 100% gas ? I agree to keep it fresh. Alcohol attracts and binds to water.
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[quote=vettehardt;1574833623]All I know is last year around here, the Sunoco dropped all their octane ratings down and still charge the same price. The Ultra dropped from 94 to 93 while the premium dropped from 93 down to 91.quote]
I wrote to Sunoco about their dropping the Ultra 94. Their reply stated that the U.S. EPA forced them to drop the higher octane fuel. |
Originally Posted by vettehardt
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I wrote to Sunoco about their dropping the Ultra 94. |
I believe, (99% sure), there are only 1 or 2 gas distributors in the NYC 5 borough area.
I know it all comes from the same place. I wonder if it's done like the telephone company does now. Get your land lines from any carrier, but bell is responsible for the outside wires. |
One can still buy Sunoco 100 octane at a few stations through out the county
or Spirit 100 octane race fuel. |
The EPA does have a say in octane levels. 93 available in Arkansas, 91 in Oklahoma.
It has to do with air quality sampling. I fill my extra gas jugs just before going across the line. |
Sea Foam
I use Sunoco 93 on the corner near my house. Along with all the doubt of gasoline quality and my gas gauge sticking, I'll be using a pint of Sea Foam once in a while. Guys at my local NAPA swear by it. They put it in gas motor they have....can't put too much in, they say. Seems to me, they are unbiased, so that's what I'll be doing as well. From my C5 to me lawn mower...............what say you? :toetap:
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Originally Posted by rfn026
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Keep in mind that the sign on the pump has almost nothing to do with who refines the gasoline. Sunoco for instance has a lot of stations in Florida but their refinery is in Philly. You actually think we get that product in Florida?
Richard Newton Speed TV Blog |
Originally Posted by parkerracing
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Wasn't always that way (at least in NJ). Sunoco used to deliver ONLY from their own refinery and in their own tankers.
Now, look how many are ALL the same price. :willy: |
Long ago I worked at a refinery as a summer job - it was "enlightening" to see the different trucks fill up there with the same gas; Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, Plateau, Shamrock, etc........ like others have said the base fuel was identical, with the only difference being additives specified by the various purchasers of the fuel.
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Wouldn't use it
Originally Posted by rwilkins
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I use Sunoco 93 on the corner near my house. Along with all the doubt of gasoline quality and my gas gauge sticking, I'll be using a pint of Sea Foam once in a while. Guys at my local NAPA swear by it. They put it in gas motor they have....can't put too much in, they say. Seems to me, they are unbiased, so that's what I'll be doing as well. From my C5 to me lawn mower...............what say you? :toetap:
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Originally Posted by shakedown067
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Correct. Refineries sell to distributers. The distributers then put in the additives that each company requires and deliver to those stations. A big reason Shell and Chevron are typically more expensive as it's extra effort for the distributer.
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Originally Posted by AU N EGL
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I wonder if most of the additives are for the normal driver. When we get our cars on track at WOT, that seems to burn all the crap and any build up. Cars run great then
Just about All fuels in the US is at least E10 and up to E15. Stations can have up to E15 without posting a sign about Etoh content. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...getrealgas.jpg |
E10 is bad. E15 is really really bad. None of our cars were ever designed for E15.
We can use E10 and have minimal problems. Here in FL we're lucky to have Racetrac stations that sell ethanol free gas. The problem is the octane is fairly low (87 Octane). Richard Newton |
In Metro Detroit it is easy to find out which tank farm the gas comes from, one has 92 octane and the other sells 93 Octane. When I first started using some of the 92 octane, I ran into the fuel gauge problem--showing out of gas. Now I only use the 93 octane and have not had a problem in several years.
An N Gel, you map does not show the Enbridge crude pipeline crossing Michigan at the Straits of Mackinaw and going to Sarnia, Ont. |
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