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Old 07-27-2010, 09:52 PM   #1
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Default Top Tier Gasolines - Sunoco Not Top tier?

Sports Car or GRM just had an article on Top Tier Gas. So I did a search for top tiers gas. Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, and several others including Turkey Hill (which is a local convienience store in our area). Sheetz, WAWA and SUNOCO were not. Sunoco not being a top tier gas surprised me since Sunoco pumps are at Summit Point and Pocono.
Anybody familiar with Sunoco and why they are not listed?
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:50 AM   #2
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All I know is last year around here, the Sunoco dropped all their octane ratings down and still charge the same price. The Ultra dropped from 94 to 93 while the premium dropped from 93 down to 91. So they charge 10 cents extra for Ultra that they used to sell as premium. The only stations that carry 93 around here anymore are Marathon and McClures. Also around here McClures and Phillips 66 are starting to charge more for Premium. It used to be 20 cents extra for premium over the standard grage, but now is 27 cents extra. What's going on with that? So now my choices are narrowed down to 92 octane from Speedway or 93 from Marathon. They still charge the 20 cents extra for Premium.
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Keep in mind that the sign on the pump has almost nothing to do with who refines the gasoline. Sunoco for instance has a lot of stations in Florida but their refinery is in Philly. You actually think we get that product in Florida?

They work a trade with another refiner. We may be getting BP gasoline from the Sunoco pumps. Who knows? They certainly aren't about to tell us.

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Old 07-28-2010, 06:58 AM   #4
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Top Tier fuels are not all that ppl claim

Top Tier fuels tend to have many additives, which are added at the station / tank farm distribution center

Fuel is fuel as Richard mentions. All come from the same tank farm, and through the same pipe line.


Use the least expensive high volume station near you. Should have the freshest fuel.

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They work a trade with another refiner. We may be getting BP gasoline from the Sunoco pumps. Who knows? They certainly aren't about to tell us. ]
Correct. Refineries sell to distributers. The distributers then put in the additives that each company requires and deliver to those stations. A big reason Shell and Chevron are typically more expensive as it's extra effort for the distributer.
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:23 AM   #6
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Additives are added at the tank farm before shipping.
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I've frankly not seen any differences between Top Tier and regular fuels.

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I've frankly not seen any differences between Top Tier and regular fuels.

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Especially at WOT on the track
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Sunoco is at the track at Pocono as it is good advertising for them or at any NASCAR event. They pay NASCAR a fee to be the the selected gas of NASCAR.
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I think SUNOCO has been at every track I have been to with gas available.
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Keep in mind that the sign on the pump has almost nothing to do with who refines the gasoline. Sunoco for instance has a lot of stations in Florida but their refinery is in Philly. You actually think we get that product in Florida?

They work a trade with another refiner. We may be getting BP gasoline from the Sunoco pumps. Who knows? They certainly aren't about to tell us.

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Gasoline pipe lines

Pipeline label codes are colored green for crude oil, red for gas and blue for products, such as gasoline, propane and ethylene.

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pipe line operation

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Table 2: Market Shares of the Largest Crude Oil Pipeline Companies Percent of Total Barrel-Miles in 2001

Pipeline Company Crude Oil Market Share
Enbridge/Lakehead 22%
BP 18%
Shell/Equilon 12.9%
Marathon/MAP 11.8%
Conoco/Phillips 6.9%
Express 4.2%
Exxon/Mobil 3.6%
Montreal Pipeline 3.4%
Sun 2.5%
Koch 1.9%

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Refined products delivered to the east coast

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http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html
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Does 10% ethanol or E10 that we buy " Clean as we Drive?" I have read that most fuel conditioners , additives , injector cleaners or snake oil that we can buy and add to the tank is just ethanol? What is in Shell's additive package whether it's E10 or 100% gas ? I agree to keep it fresh. Alcohol attracts and binds to water.
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I wonder if most of the additives are for the normal driver. When we get our cars on track at WOT, that seems to burn all the crap and any build up. Cars run great then

Just about All fuels in the US is at least E10 and up to E15. Stations can have up to E15 without posting a sign about Etoh content.

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Does 10% ethanol or E10 that we buy " Clean as we Drive?" I have read that most fuel conditioners , additives , injector cleaners or snake oil that we can buy and add to the tank is just ethanol? What is in Shell's additive package whether it's E10 or 100% gas ? I agree to keep it fresh. Alcohol attracts and binds to water.
yea fresh like in my track car I think I need to drain it and use it in the boat.
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[quote=vettehardt;1574833623]All I know is last year around here, the Sunoco dropped all their octane ratings down and still charge the same price. The Ultra dropped from 94 to 93 while the premium dropped from 93 down to 91.quote]

I wrote to Sunoco about their dropping the Ultra 94.

Their reply stated that the U.S. EPA forced them to drop the higher octane fuel.
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I wrote to Sunoco about their dropping the Ultra 94.
You dont belive that BS do you? Any more than BP was only dumping about 5,000 barrels a day.. and that they had it under control on the second day.
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I believe, (99% sure), there are only 1 or 2 gas distributors in the NYC 5 borough area.

I know it all comes from the same place.

I wonder if it's done like the telephone company does now. Get your land lines from any carrier, but bell is responsible for the outside wires.
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