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WKMCD 01-13-2010 08:37 PM

All broken down:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...upsidedown.jpg

Looks like it was burning some oil after all. Good shot of the tie-bar lifters.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...upheadsoff.jpg

Pistons and rods out.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...ginewcrank.jpg

You can see where all of the main caps were walking with stock bolts. For some reason I thought I had ARP mains.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...D/maincap1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...D/maincap2.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...maincap3-1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...D/maincap4.jpg

16-18k on this LS2 chain. Being replaced with a Cloyes adjustable setup.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...mingchain1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...mingchain2.jpg

Bare block ready for some serious machine work.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9.../bareblock.jpg

SteveDoten 01-14-2010 04:54 AM

Nice work

VetVetter 01-14-2010 08:08 AM

Sweeeeeet :thumbs:

LoneStarFRC 01-14-2010 08:35 AM

Nice. :cheers:

Question: I notice what appears to be an LS1 style knock sensor on the side of the block. Do you plan to change to the LS2 style when the engine is finished?

I have heard (unconfirmed of course) that possibly some of the earlier LS1 KS's were not nearly as good as the later versions or the LS2 type. Other than the obvious design/mounting difference between the LS1 type and the LS2 type, do you know of any actual performance differences? A pro/cons on this?

WKMCD 01-14-2010 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by LoneStarFRC (Post 1572749604)
Nice. :cheers:

Question: I notice what appears to be an LS1 style knock sensor on the side of the block. Do you plan to change to the LS2 style when the engine is finished?

I have heard (unconfirmed of course) that possibly some of the earlier LS1 KS's were not nearly as good as the later versions or the LS2 type. Other than the obvious design/mounting difference between the LS1 type and the LS2 type, do you know of any actual performance differences? A pro/cons on this?

I've had these knock sensors mounted on the back of the heads and on the sides of the blocks without any problems in either location. They work fine and I've never had a false knock issue.

WKMCD 01-14-2010 11:24 AM

I just heard from Shawn.....

Sleeves going it today. :party::party:

ajg1915 01-14-2010 11:31 AM

Jeez these guys are moving fast.

McLeod 01-14-2010 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by ajg1915 (Post 1572751284)
Jeez these guys are moving fast.

VA. Speed has an impressive in house facility.:cool:

lucky131969 01-14-2010 12:16 PM

I'm certainly no expert at inspecting engine mains......how can you determine by the appearance of the cap that it was walking?

TheDingo 01-14-2010 02:18 PM

Wow, I chimed in late as hell on this one. I've been out of town going on 2 weeks now. Still gone but just now getting on the forum.

Kevin! I am proud! You'd better take me for a ride in that beast when you get her back :)

I didn't read through the thread, just looked at the pictures.. when do you plan on having it back?

Chevy Guy 01-14-2010 02:28 PM

Wow, pretty interesting shots of the main caps moving on you, thanks for posting.

Were you the guy at ECS getting your coil overs put on while I was having my black vert street tuned?

aweil 01-14-2010 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by lucky131969 (Post 1572751774)
I'm certainly no expert at inspecting engine mains......how can you determine by the appearance of the cap that it was walking?

You can see the high/low spots and the transfer of metal as opposed to a freshly machined look.

lucky131969 01-14-2010 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by aweil (Post 1572753167)
You can see the high/low spots and the transfer of metal as opposed to a freshly machined look.

Yep, that is clear. What isn't clear is why the wear would be in an arc. I would expect the disparity to be linear.

aweil 01-14-2010 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by lucky131969 (Post 1572753227)
Yep, that is clear. What isn't clear is why the wear would be in an arc. I would expect the disparity to be linear.

Maybe the mill tooling marks when the caps/block were machined were in an arc? I'm not an expert, I just know a little bit. I'll ask my machine shop guy next time I talk to him.

vettenuts 01-14-2010 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by aweil (Post 1572753308)
Maybe the mill tooling marks when the caps/block were machined were in an arc? I'm not an expert, I just know a little bit. I'll ask my machine shop guy next time I talk to him.

That's what I was thinking. Photo's of this kind of thing are hard to take as well.

WKMCD 01-14-2010 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by TheDingo (Post 1572753025)
Wow, I chimed in late as hell on this one. I've been out of town going on 2 weeks now. Still gone but just now getting on the forum.

Kevin! I am proud! You'd better take me for a ride in that beast when you get her back :)

I didn't read through the thread, just looked at the pictures.. when do you plan on having it back?

I would expect it to done in 3-4 weeks. We'll get together. :thumbs:

WKMCD 01-14-2010 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by Chevy Guy (Post 1572753132)
Wow, pretty interesting shots of the main caps moving on you, thanks for posting.

Were you the guy at ECS getting your coil overs put on while I was having my black vert street tuned?

Nope. My coilovers went on in my garage with the help of some forum friends.

LoneStarFRC 01-14-2010 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by lucky131969 (Post 1572753227)
Yep, that is clear. What isn't clear is why the wear would be in an arc. I would expect the disparity to be linear.

After hearing the explanation, I think the presence of "high"/"low" spots, as indicated by "clean" metal vs "dirty". (Actually I guess it's not "dirt" as such, but rather the presence of motor oil, etc).

The small areas of "clean" or burnished metal are just visible in various places. One example is the area directly around the bolt holes where, upon torquing down the caps, the metal directly around the bolt holes is being "stretched" slightly as the bolt pulls upward on the block and the aluminum block material becomes "burnished" against the steel main cap from vibration/movement over time.

I'm thinking that the "arc" visible in the pics were actually from the original machining of the surface and are (in this case) made more visible by the "dirty" oil at the microscopic level when opened back up. The "movement" is so slight, probably on the order of .0001 or so (or in that range), maybe less, that there would not be a discernible "direction" pattern as such. I guess the thrust forces are being applied in a more random or even circular manner, i.e. front-back, side-to-side, depending on applied power and rpm, etc. Interesting.

Hope that makes sense, cause even if it doesn't, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. :rofl:

TheDingo 01-14-2010 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by WKMCD (Post 1572754914)
I would expect it to all done in 3-4 weeks. We'll get together. :thumbs:

Sounds good brother. You've got my number.

Shawn @ Va Speed 01-14-2010 09:28 PM

You really can't see the fretting in those pictures.The fretting from cap walk is actually metal transfer from one surface to the other.The arcs are from the block machining.

I got some good machining pic over on LS1Tech-i'll post them over here tomorrow night


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