jvp

Jay might have more insight since he could see a bit more than his camera could, but here's my analysis: You can see the Porsche's right front roll up on the gators on the inside of 4, and the car was at too sharp a turn-in angle to withstand that. The heave from that combined with the aforementioned rear weight bias sent him sideways, and at that point it was all over.

jas

911/Q45

Pretty unlikely that it was power induced oversteer. Even the most powerful Porsches plant the back end with throttle application.

jamie furman

The problem wasn't carrying too much speed it was lifting in the turn, you don't do that in a porsche, that is a corner that handles a lot of speed and he should of been on the throttle.

range96

He lifted to slow the car down. He ran up on the car front of him and tried not to hit him. Once he lifted in mid-corner the back came around. He corrected, but forgot to unwind and when the car hooked again he had a snap oversteer. At that point it was over for him. He has experience, just not enough.

He had decent lines and did consistent late apexes. Couldn't tell from the video surely if he waited for point by's or not. I don't think he did. His lap times were nothing to write home about.

This happened late in the session when people get a little tired and loose focus.

I think he was trying to hang with Jason, but he could only do so when Jason was held up by traffic.

Great video. Should be shown as a training video...

jvp

That wasn't me, it was a grey C6 GS coupe that the 911 was chasing. The GS was faster than Jay, and Jay pointed him by earlier in the session. It was at that point that the 911 driver passed Jay.

I came up on that mess right after it happened. The driver that wiped out had no chance in hell of ever catching me... if that session was another 10 minutes or so, I'd have caught him instead.

jas

camirocz

Any of you guys ever run against a gt2 rs new body 911?Im curious to see how a zr1 would do against this 620 h.p lighweight 911.

911/Q45

I've ridden in one. A very capable car, possibly a ZR1 beater in the right hands.

Californiapch

I agree. I want a GT2RS but my budget only got me a ZR1. I added some Hoosier race tires and now I would challenge the GT2RS.

They must be amazing ... though my ZR1 is pretty amazing.


Brian

range96

That makes more sense and explaines his slow lap times.

pcguy2u

I must have missed the video with the aftermath of the Porsche in the haybales. Did he actually hit them - kind of looked like the end of the bales was near and that there was no collision? I know it was stated the P was near totaled, but it would be helpful to see the carnage.

jvp

No one got video of the actual damage. If you look at around the 17 minute mark of my session 2 video as I drive into the yellow flags, you'll see the Porsche parked off on the right side of the video, in the grass. He got there because he was launched off the tire wall and across the track. And that launch wasn't a soft one.

jas

pcguy2u

Just watche the video in HD - the tires looked like haybales at the lower definition - oh well.

So at the end of Jay's video, is the P car that appears after the dust the culprit or where is the culprit at that point??

jvp

The Porsche that Jay comes up on in the cloud of dust is the one that was in the lead going down that hill. The culprit was parked off on the right side in the grass by that point. You see Jay looking to his right just as the video ended; he was looking at the P-car off the road.

jas

09Z06pj

Nice summary of track day. Thanks for sharing; videos too.

Must have been a hairy ride home in that storm!

pcguy2u

Woah, WOW. What a ride that was. Looking closely you never see any sign of the the P car crossing the track and yet there it is?

Hey Jay, were you able to see it airborne?

jvp

I won't speak for him, but I don't think it actually went airborne. If you listen near the end of his video you can hear a lot of squealing rubber. That's the P-car skidding across the track after being bounced off the tires.

jas

Shurshot

That was my impression as well, especially the part about running up on the car in front of him and trying to avoid it that put the following events in motion.

Purvis

Amazing driving.. Just amazing.

geezerman

are you kidding me?!!!,...seriuosly,..i love vettes,..but the gt2 911 will KILL most ANYTHING it comes across,...that, and the gt3 rs,..are probably the BEST 911's made,..and are true track beasts that will smoke almost anything that gets in their way,[including most ferrari's!]...i think the zr1 would beat it in straight-line speed,..but NOT ON ANY SUSTAINED TRACK that i'm aware of,..i've never seen a vette beat this particular 911,..it's just not possible?,..i'd love to be proven wrong though,..as i LOVE the zr1!

racerns

It is very possible. On equal tires (both on sport cups) the cars are very close. Sport Auto just tested the 2012 ZR1 on the Hockhenhiem Ring short course where they have times for 100s of cars. The ZR1 turned a time of 1:08.3 just besting the GT2RS time of 1:08.4. The ZR1's time was the fastest of any true production car they have tested at that track.