Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06

Finally, I would add that one '08 has managed to run 11.9s on 17 inch drag radials (and some here believe tuning to reduce torque management.) But if it took 17 inch drag radials (and some believe a tune) for Callaway to run those 11.9s then the prospect of 11.9 on street tires, ie showroom stock, looks bleak.

Originally Posted by mcv

As stated in other threads, PCM calibration (tuning) was not modified in the test vehicle ('08 LS3) prior to making the three 11.9 passes listed below. The car was completely stock, except for the drag radials. These passes were run as a baseline to compare to runs made with the LS3 Callaway Honker intake.

From Callaway Engineering Dept:
Drag Test Results - October 10, 2007
(Odometer @ start = 281 miles)
Testing conducted at New England Dragway, Epping, NH. All data as observed w/o correction. Tire for all runs = M.T. E/T @ 13psi cold. Launch @ 4800rpm, Shift @ 6400rpm all runs (indicated). Traction System and Active Handling OFF all runs.

OE Intake System -
Dry = 64°F / Wet = 61°F
Baro = 28.54 inHg
time of day / 60'(s) / 1/8M (s@mph) / 1/4M (s@mph)
Run Ref A = 6:31pm / 1.740 / 7.697@91.74 / 11.941@115.80 : IAT(°F) - ECT(°F) @ start / finish = 91 / 70 - 223 / 223 (MAP = 98 kPa @ finish)
Run Ref B = 6:40pm / 1.822 / 7.743@91.99 / 11.974@116.16 : IAT(°F) - ECT(°F) @ start / finish = 91 / 70 - 217 / 219 (MAP = 98 kPa @ finish)
Run Ref C = 6:47pm / 1.728 / 7.709@91.71 / 11.951@115.89 : IAT(°F) - ECT(°F) @ start / finish = 93 / 70 - 226 / 221 (MAP = 98 kPa @ finish)

3 Run Avg = 1.763 / 7.716@91.81 / 11.955@115.95 : IAT(°F) - ECT(°F) @ start / finish = 92 / 70 - 222 / 221 (MAP = 98 kPa @ finish)

Originally Posted by Jaxian

ZL1 would have been cool. Only would have been two possible people to **** off and one was junked so there is just the one. We could totally jump on him if he complained. ZL1 for the win. hehe. Motor is an all aluminum 427, err at least it was, not sure anymore.

Originally Posted by mcv

As stated in other threads, PCM calibration (tuning) was not modified in the test vehicle ('08 LS3) prior to making the three 11.9 passes listed below. The car was completely stock, except for the drag radials. These passes were run as a baseline to compare to runs made with the LS3 Callaway Honker intake.

From Callaway Engineering Dept:
Drag Test Results - October 10, 2007
(Odometer @ start = 281 miles)
Testing conducted at New England Dragway, Epping, NH. All data as observed w/o correction. Tire for all runs = M.T. E/T @ 13psi cold. Launch @ 4800rpm, Shift @ 6400rpm all runs (indicated). Traction System and Active Handling OFF all runs.

OE Intake System -
Dry = 64°F / Wet = 61°F
Baro = 28.54 inHg
time of day / 60'(s) / 1/8M (s@mph) / 1/4M (s@mph)
Run Ref A = 6:31pm / 1.740 / 7.697@91.74 / 11.941@115.80 : IAT(°F) - ECT(°F) @ start / finish = 91 / 70 - 223 / 223 (MAP = 98 kPa @ finish)
Run Ref B = 6:40pm / 1.822 / 7.743@91.99 / 11.974@116.16 : IAT(°F) - ECT(°F) @ start / finish = 91 / 70 - 217 / 219 (MAP = 98 kPa @ finish)
Run Ref C = 6:47pm / 1.728 / 7.709@91.71 / 11.951@115.89 : IAT(°F) - ECT(°F) @ start / finish = 93 / 70 - 226 / 221 (MAP = 98 kPa @ finish)

3 Run Avg = 1.763 / 7.716@91.81 / 11.955@115.95 : IAT(°F) - ECT(°F) @ start / finish = 92 / 70 - 222 / 221 (MAP = 98 kPa @ finish)

Originally Posted by 2KZ28CAM

A compelling argument....but there you go....'08 C6 with "nearly" the same HP <> Z06. There were/are too may reasons to dispel this admittedly sound (by the numbers) comparison. .....

Originally Posted by tnz5106

You guys dont get it do you? I know the zr1 was used briefly before in '70 or '71. But it was very rare and unsuccessful. Only corvette purists and fanatics have ever heard of it. The c6 z06 is a continuation of the c5 z06, so I dont see anyone being offended there.
In modern corvette history, or lets say probably 90% of people that know anything about corvettes, the zr1 is this:

1) The only corvette with an engine not built by gm.

2) The only dual overhead cam non pushrod engine EVER in a corvette.

3) The only corvette with an engine that is a total different design than the standard option engine.

4) The only hemi head engine EVER in a gm car(I believe thats correct)

I know there is more than that, but I cant recall them.

The bottom line is this. Twenty years from now, when someone says zr1 I dont want to hear " Which zr1, the one in the '90s or the more recent one? When people hear zr1 now, they remember the dual overhead "king of the hill" beast that turned the euro sports car market on its ears!! Dont any of you get this? Its not like gm is resurrecting the beast, they are putting a sacred emblem on a souped up z06. Hell, why dont they call it zo6 SS or something?

Here's another example. When you say L88, what do you think of? Hell, why dont we call it an L88? Nothings wrong or offensive about that right? Its not like they are trying to continue on a namesake, the zr1 is a totally different beast!!

I think I need some help from my buddies on the zr1 page on this. I am not that good with debates. But I will say this, if this is the concensus of feelings on this z06 forum, I think I have finally found a reason to kick the forum habit. Hell, if you guys are that cold and ignorant, I might just sell my z06 and keep my king of the hill. I wouldn't want to be associated with such ignorance!!

Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06

Sound and by the numbers comparison??

Stock Z06s, drag radials have run very low 11s down into the 10s.

A Z06 with cold air intake and drag radials, like this '08 in Callaway's posts, put up these numbers.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1565013

BTW, what does "<>" mean???

Originally Posted by ZL-1

You call the 70-71 ZR-1 unsucessful but you don't feel the C4 ZR-1 was unsuccessful? They're great cars, I almost bought one, but they were not a sucess for Chevrolet. After the first 2 years there was virtually no demand for them (the pricing didn't help). When I heard that the new car would be called ZR1 I emailed my 2 friends that own ZR-1s to tell them the good news. These cars suffered huge depreciation for their original owners, but the new car will put "ZR1" on top of the heap and will CERTAINLY bring up the value of the earlier ZR-1s. "ZR1" will be on the cover of every car magazine. Non-Corvette enthusiasts will become aware of the prior ZR-1 and your car will be worth more! How can you not like that?

Originally Posted by 2KZ28CAM

I hate the internet...

Here we go, for those that missed the point: "The ARGUMENT" that the C6 with HP ~nearly~ equal to the Z06 DOES NOT MEAN (<> = "does NOT equal" -- GET IT?????) that the C6 will meet, or beat, the performance numbers of the Z06.

Talk amongst yourselves. BTW, RIF (Reading <interpreting> Is Fundamental)

Cliff's Notes Version: Peace, Bro! I'm PRO Z06!!!! (or havent you noticed).

L8r, H8R's.

<sigh>

EDIT: Congrats on your first 1/4 times, Quicksilver!! - you only have a few shifting refinements to meet or exceed the 1/4 mile spec of 11.7. Let us know how you get there, then beat that spec by at least .2 tenths or more!!

Get it? <quoting Terry Bradshaw: "Goodnight, the party's O-ver....">

(Back to the Camaro Forum <Shield On>)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...atical_symbols

See: < > :: is not equal to; does not equal.

EDIT 2: Sorry, it's the Geek In Me that presses these 'minor' points home. The Devil is in the Details...And, Semantics Start Wars.

Cliff's Notes Version 2: We are in agreement, although we said it in a <very> different way. <Cheers>.

Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06

Thanks.

I will be working on those shifting improvements this week and over the ensuing weeks.

Originally Posted by zhopper05

Hey man, you're not alone in this. I totally agree with you. I remember when the 1989 ZR1 came out. I sat at the dealership with a several customers for a couple of hours, waiting for it to arrive. And to date, I still remember the look on everyone's face, customers and salespeople, as it rolled off the truck. For some odd reason, I've have not owned one yet.

One thing I don't understand - if my memory serves me right, the new beast would be the first supercharged production Corvette. Correct?? If so, why can't GM just call it something new and be done with it?

Originally Posted by 2KZ28CAM

:

Get it? <quoting Terry Bradshaw: "Goodnight, the party's O-ver....">

QUOTE]

T'was Don Meredith.....It's "Turn out the lights,the partys over"....good try though

Originally Posted by 04_Z06_CE

My #1 Reason is THAT I JUST CANT AFFORD IT.
Sometimes I feel like I could Love my 04 Z a tad more if it werent for the C6Z...
Man , Can you tell how much I love the C6Z..

One day.......

Originally Posted by 04_Z06_CE

My #1 Reason is THAT I JUST CANT AFFORD IT.
Sometimes I feel like I could Love my 04 Z a tad more if it werent for the C6Z...
Man , Can you tell how much I love the C6Z..

One day.......

Originally Posted by 2KZ28CAM

Im in the same boat, buddy!

SOME day ........