Cartek C6 Update H&C
#1
Safety Car
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Rear tires, how about you?
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#3
Originally Posted by jschindler
I'm done debating the torque managment issue. I have had my say, and others have had theirs.
Dave Busch ran a 13.1 at 109 on a six speed C6 and blamed it on torque management. That's essentially how this whole issue got started. I just ran a 12.5 at 115 on my bone stock C6.
Dave Busch ran a 13.1 at 109 on a six speed C6 and blamed it on torque management. That's essentially how this whole issue got started. I just ran a 12.5 at 115 on my bone stock C6.
#4
Team Owner
Originally Posted by brn-c6
you are unbelievable and so is your car, happy now you aint no record holder Cartek is so lets talk about something more useful, TM does exist whether you believe it or not
And what record do they hold? Their car is highly modified - mine is bone stock. Does that mean I'm the "world record holder" for stock C6's?
Just curious.
#5
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by brn-c6
you are unbelievable and so is your car, happy now you aint no record holder Cartek is so lets talk about something more useful, TM does exist whether you believe it or not
#6
Team Owner
Originally Posted by jschindler
I have no clue what your point is. What is "unbelieveable" about me and my car?
Originally Posted by jschindler
And what record do they hold?
For C5s? Where should we begin?
Originally Posted by jimman
Record holder of what, going in a straight line.
Perhaps choosing/mastering just the right tire shine product to use for the car shows is a far bigger accomplishment?
#8
Team Owner
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I think he was being a bit facetious, YOU were the one who raved on about running a 12.5@115, he was just commenting on/playing off of that, I think.
He acted like their "record" for a car with several thousand dollars worth of mods should have put me in my place even though my car is bone stock (and look at the times Cartech ran bone stock! - now maybe I am raving!).
Am I a little sensitive about this? Absolutely. I"m tired of hearing all the B.S. about torque management, and now I have the times to back up what I'm saying. That's my point.
#9
Drifting
What about my car that ran a 12.7 at 111 and now will only run a 13 flat at 108?
Same 60 foot times....and better temperatures outside. No Traction control on at all. Same amount of gas in the car. Same PSI in tires. Same everything.
I have an auto so you can't say I am shifting wrong.
Seems to me the torque management is playing a role here. What are you comments?
Same 60 foot times....and better temperatures outside. No Traction control on at all. Same amount of gas in the car. Same PSI in tires. Same everything.
I have an auto so you can't say I am shifting wrong.
Seems to me the torque management is playing a role here. What are you comments?
#10
Team Owner
Originally Posted by FLC6
What about my car that ran a 12.7 at 111 and now will only run a 13 flat at 108?
Same 60 foot times....and better temperatures outside. No Traction control on at all. Same amount of gas in the car. Same PSI in tires. Same everything.
I have an auto so you can't say I am shifting wrong.
Seems to me the torque management is playing a role here. What are you comments?
Same 60 foot times....and better temperatures outside. No Traction control on at all. Same amount of gas in the car. Same PSI in tires. Same everything.
I have an auto so you can't say I am shifting wrong.
Seems to me the torque management is playing a role here. What are you comments?
I don't know all the conditions - barometric pressure, humidity etc. Did you do anything to your car? (did you put a different exhaust on it at one point?). Different gas?
I certainly don't claim to know the answer - but as I said above, there is no logic to it being torque management either if the conditions truly were the same.
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Originally Posted by FLC6
What about my car that ran a 12.7 at 111 and now will only run a 13 flat at 108?
Same 60 foot times....and better temperatures outside. No Traction control on at all. Same amount of gas in the car. Same PSI in tires. Same everything.
I have an auto so you can't say I am shifting wrong.
Seems to me the torque management is playing a role here. What are you comments?
Same 60 foot times....and better temperatures outside. No Traction control on at all. Same amount of gas in the car. Same PSI in tires. Same everything.
I have an auto so you can't say I am shifting wrong.
Seems to me the torque management is playing a role here. What are you comments?
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Originally Posted by FLC6
Do you think that could be it?
Spark?
Spark?
I bought my C5 new, had 500 miles on it, took it to the track and reeled off several 12.8-12.9 passes. Took it to the dyno and saw it put a nice graph down and made 314 HP. A few months go buy and I had a hard time making it to the low 13's, even with improved 60 foot times. Took it to the dyno and the graph was pretty choppy, and up top, above 5000 rpm's it was dropping off 20-30 HP. I took it to the dealer and put it on the diagnostic, and it was showing a misfire every once in a while on cylinder #1, pulled the plug, and replaced it and you could tell an immediate difference in the top of 4th gear on a highway run.
#14
Your not even close
As I have been asked over and over not to join in on these pissing contest. I feel I must, first Dave I know that through my GM contacts and my 25 years of SEMA that only one man has it all. Ron Zimmer and maybe that's who you know. If not then in my opinion you are just blowing smoke. The reason you did not tune the car is because you could not. If you are the one Ron is meeting with next week then I apologize. But if you are not meeting with him next week Good Luck on the tune. Just FYI the head and cam PKG will not throw a code. Depends on the cam profile. But we already know this. But just think if the car makes 75 hp without a tune just think what it will make with a tune. Thanks For Your Time
#15
Drifting
Originally Posted by tech-gm
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I don't understand what you are trying to say, but we already tuned our C6 a week ago. Here is a link ---> Link to post
This is with a different cam and heads than talked about on this thread.
Julio
#17
Melting Slicks
Originally Posted by jschindler
My initial comment is - why would torque managment being playing a role now, but not the first time you ran it?
I don't know all the conditions - barometric pressure, humidity etc. Did you do anything to your car? (did you put a different exhaust on it at one point?). Different gas?
I certainly don't claim to know the answer - but as I said above, there is no logic to it being torque management either if the conditions truly were the same.
I don't know all the conditions - barometric pressure, humidity etc. Did you do anything to your car? (did you put a different exhaust on it at one point?). Different gas?
I certainly don't claim to know the answer - but as I said above, there is no logic to it being torque management either if the conditions truly were the same.
If there is TM in the computer, then it is based on a set of pre-defined set values(or range of values) to enable the TM once All the "GO" logic has been satisfied by the input. In the case of the Torque Management Elimination Module, the inputs are modified so the inputs never satisfy the TM's "GO" Logic or an even more simple method would be to just block the TM's "GO" output from ever reaching down stream-al la Gags Eliminator.