u-joint install
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u-joint install
i am taking out the my current u-joints becuase they have zerk fitings and i am putting in ones with out the fittings to gain some strength there. as i was about to install the new ones today i noticed the joints have a flat side and little humps on the other side. what side should the flat side of the joint be facing. the half shaft our the yoke? thanks :beatdeadhorse:
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Re: u-joint install (gravismaximus)
It dosen't matter, the cross forging (I hope your using forged U joints) are done in the same die as the zerk joints. You should be sure that the joints turn freely after pressing them in, sometimes you need to give a light tap to the yokes/flanges to re-spread them after pressing in the joints. Original Vettes never had zerks in them and went over 50K miles, I don't use joints with zerks in them because of the halfshafts function of being the upper suspension locating member and the high stresses involved with it's dual role function.
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Re: u-joint install (gravismaximus)
Is the hump the area that the zerk would normally be drilled into ?
If so, I don't think it matters which way.
I have a question, though.
I was actually at the parts store this morning. The guy looked up the
Spicer parts numbers for my 75 automatic half shafts. He cam up with X-178 for the
greasable ones, X-178-1 for the greasable end cap, and X-178-HP for the solids.
What are the part numbers for the half shaft joints that you are installing ? (Spicer ?)
The greasable Spicers were $16, which has me thinking.
EDIT: Solid LT1 has good points there. I wondered why the solid ones were
so much more expensive. forged vs cast ? makes sense. I won't be getting greasable ones.
Thanks :seeya
[Modified by NHvette, 9:49 PM 3/31/2004]
If so, I don't think it matters which way.
I have a question, though.
I was actually at the parts store this morning. The guy looked up the
Spicer parts numbers for my 75 automatic half shafts. He cam up with X-178 for the
greasable ones, X-178-1 for the greasable end cap, and X-178-HP for the solids.
What are the part numbers for the half shaft joints that you are installing ? (Spicer ?)
The greasable Spicers were $16, which has me thinking.
EDIT: Solid LT1 has good points there. I wondered why the solid ones were
so much more expensive. forged vs cast ? makes sense. I won't be getting greasable ones.
Thanks :seeya
[Modified by NHvette, 9:49 PM 3/31/2004]
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Re: u-joint install (NHvette)
no i got these ones from summit and they are from percision aka fedraul mogle. and the part number is pcn-254 i told him when i bought them that i wanted ones without the fittings so that they woud be stronger so i hope these are the forged ones. :flag
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Re: u-joint install (NHvette)
FYI-when you press the u-joints out of the 1/2 shaft flange, you need to put something behind that flange so it does not bend.
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Re: u-joint install (Van Steel)
I now longer press any joints in or out. To remove the old universal I take the cutting torch and cut the X out of the joint.. While still hot I take the air chissel and walk the old cap off. They come easy while hot.
I then polish with a flapper wheel in a drill, debur with a file and clean the groove carefully.
I then place the shaft in the vise and and well lubing the cups on the outside use a small brass hammer and walk the caps into place.
This way the end cups don't get distorted and the universal will last alot longer.
I then polish with a flapper wheel in a drill, debur with a file and clean the groove carefully.
I then place the shaft in the vise and and well lubing the cups on the outside use a small brass hammer and walk the caps into place.
This way the end cups don't get distorted and the universal will last alot longer.
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Re: u-joint install (Van Steel)
FYI-when you press the u-joints out of the 1/2 shaft flange, you need to put something behind that flange so it does not bend.
Steve :steering:
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Re: u-joint install (stpman)
do you have a pic? We use a press and we have our own tool that we made
[Modified by Van Steel, 10:32 AM 4/1/2004]
[Modified by Van Steel, 10:32 AM 4/1/2004]
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Melting Slicks
Re: u-joint install (Van Steel)
Dont have a pic (can get one tonight) but it is a standard "C" shaped screw press. It's advertised as a U-joint press
Steve
Steve
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Re: u-joint install (stpman)
so this tool you have, just presses the u-joints out & in, correct. your gonna have to fab up a plate to mount to the backside of the flange so the flange doesn't bend.
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Melting Slicks
Re: u-joint install (Van Steel)
The Press is similar to a ball joint press.
If I bolt a piece of 1/4" or 3/8" plate the the flange I should be ok then?
Steve
[Modified by stpman, 12:39 PM 4/1/2004]
If I bolt a piece of 1/4" or 3/8" plate the the flange I should be ok then?
Steve
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Re: u-joint install (stpman)
bolt a piece of 1/4" or 3/8" plate the the flange I should be ok then?
Steve
Originally I made a 1 inch think plate with a recessed groove to match the flange. I bolted the flange securely to this plate to prevent all possibility of bending it. I used it once before going to my present way of changing U joints.
I thiink 1/4 inch is a little flimsy.
Steve
Originally I made a 1 inch think plate with a recessed groove to match the flange. I bolted the flange securely to this plate to prevent all possibility of bending it. I used it once before going to my present way of changing U joints.
I thiink 1/4 inch is a little flimsy.
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Re: u-joint install (norvalwilhelm)
The flange support at Eckler's ($35) looks to be about 1/2" thick.
I was thinking to remove the spindle flange and use that to support the
half-shaft flange. It's pretty beefy, but I don't think I would use it under
a hydraulic press. My HS joints came out with a hammer and sockets.
I agree with Norval ... clean the bores good - and they should tap in easily.
Even these need a little more cleaning. I did them with a piece of 400 grit and
my fingers. I was too cheap to buy the $6 Dremel flap sander. The grooves
were simply dug out with a small screwdriver.
[Modified by NHvette, 1:45 PM 4/1/2004]
[Modified by NHvette, 1:51 PM 4/1/2004]
I was thinking to remove the spindle flange and use that to support the
half-shaft flange. It's pretty beefy, but I don't think I would use it under
a hydraulic press. My HS joints came out with a hammer and sockets.
I agree with Norval ... clean the bores good - and they should tap in easily.
Even these need a little more cleaning. I did them with a piece of 400 grit and
my fingers. I was too cheap to buy the $6 Dremel flap sander. The grooves
were simply dug out with a small screwdriver.
[Modified by NHvette, 1:45 PM 4/1/2004]
[Modified by NHvette, 1:51 PM 4/1/2004]