Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve
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Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve
What is the realistic expectation that an early 1960s Corvette could outperform a Jaguar XKE at that time as outlined in that song? An in-line six vrs. a 327. But the Jag had a more sophisticated suspension system. Just curious; I do not have the answer.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (paul79)
As with the 1970 LT-1 and 1970 Porsche 911, the vette would win the straight line shootout and lose in the curves. Given what little I know of C2s, if there was little straight line runs, the vette loses.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (paul79)
Comparing the C3 to my friend's 71 XKE, I'd give my nod to my vette. However, the 327 did not have anywhere near the size tires my 78 does, and there of course were little suspension tweaks through the years. I know the Sting Ray is way up on power... but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Jag-you-are pull through.
Mmm... I'm gonna go with "coin toss".
-Steve
Mmm... I'm gonna go with "coin toss".
-Steve
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (Pacin'California)
The C2's didn't have disc brakes until 65 if I remember right. That's about the only area where I think the Jag may have had the advantage. I don't think it was the Lucas electricals. :lol:
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (A C)
Curious note- the XKE (at least the 71) has phillip's head seat bolts. :)
Those brits were too lazy to even pick out the right socket!
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Those brits were too lazy to even pick out the right socket!
-Steve
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (paul79)
To be expected. The Vette wins w/ more hp. The DOHC6 265 HP Jag was lighter & a good match in the turns.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (Ganey)
I hate to say it but the C2's were not the best aerodynamic cars. I remember reading an article where Zora stated if you would adhere wings to a C2 it would fly because the car generates so much lift.
Drag Strip: Vette hands down.
Road course: Id say it would be close but I'd go with the Jag.
Remember Jaguar has won countless LeMans championships long berfore Corvette.
Drag Strip: Vette hands down.
Road course: Id say it would be close but I'd go with the Jag.
Remember Jaguar has won countless LeMans championships long berfore Corvette.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (paul79)
For those who have not seen one, they are very pretty cars.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (paul79)
I had a 63 XKE coupe inline 6 with triple carbs, 250 hp. I would shift from 3rd to 4th at 115 and at about 150-155 the front started getting light. Only time I had it that fast was on the salt flats into Salt Lake City.
It would cruise all day at 100+ and get 23 MPG.
Pulled onto the salt flats next to a new vette (this is late 72), we did a half dozen runs from 100 mph and both accelerated the same until the vette topped out at about 130-135.
Drove 800 miles that day in 9 hours and hit snow in the middle on Wyoming. It took 10 hours to get the next 300 miles.
Those were the days.
It would cruise all day at 100+ and get 23 MPG.
Pulled onto the salt flats next to a new vette (this is late 72), we did a half dozen runs from 100 mph and both accelerated the same until the vette topped out at about 130-135.
Drove 800 miles that day in 9 hours and hit snow in the middle on Wyoming. It took 10 hours to get the next 300 miles.
Those were the days.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (paul79)
As I recall, the first XKE 3.8's were rated at 250hp and later at 265hp. They were beautiful cars but, performance wise, they weren't much of a threat to Vettes other than those with the base engine and/or an auto tranny. The Corvette's 340/350/360/365/375 hp 327 engines way outpowered their 231's and weighed less also.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (Vetterodder)
The Corvette's 340/350/360/365/375 hp 327 engines way outpowered their 231's and weighed less also.
TRW,
Your post sounded like a fantastic day that I would have loved to be part of!
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (Robert N)
As with the 1970 LT-1 and 1970 Porsche 911, the vette would win the straight line shootout and lose in the curves. Given what little I know of C2s, if there was little straight line runs, the vette loses.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (SuperFast80)
As for the original question, I have a C1 vs Jag article somewhere that pits a Sebring prepped '56 against the racing version of the Jag. If I find it I will post it but I do remember that acceleration numbers were similar but the Jag topped out at 150 and the Vette at 138.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (paul79)
My roomate in college had a 67 XKE convertible with the tripower in-line six.
It wasnt real quick from 0 to 60 but if you had enough road it would soon catch up to and pass the vettes. We had the thing nearly 160 one night in october with the top down. My forhead was cold for a week after that.
It wasnt real quick from 0 to 60 but if you had enough road it would soon catch up to and pass the vettes. We had the thing nearly 160 one night in october with the top down. My forhead was cold for a week after that.
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Re: Trivia-Early 1960s Vette vrs. XKE/Deadman's Curve (paul79)
I think the song might have come out in '65. From these type 'street' matches that I recall witnessing in that era, the 'Vette would burn rings around the Jag, but the Jag was a little better in the curves. IMHO, as witnessed, the "E" type was no overall street performance match for the Mid-Year, especially a solid lifter or FI car. Gorgeous cars, though.
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Here are a couple of old articles I ran across a few months ago . . .
The '61 XKE - http://www.jag-lovers.org/e-type/randt.html
A comparison between a '73 L82 Vette and a '73 V-12 XKE - http://www.corvetteforum.net/c3/vett...ex_article.htm
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The '61 XKE - http://www.jag-lovers.org/e-type/randt.html
A comparison between a '73 L82 Vette and a '73 V-12 XKE - http://www.corvetteforum.net/c3/vett...ex_article.htm
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