No Go

I was surfing and came across this new addition from Baer...

LINK

I've been oogling the 6 Piston Baer caliper, but lamenting it won't fit under my GM Amold wheels (new 18 inch wheels which require more expensive tires, etc)...these just might (heading to the garage...)

It solves one disappointment with the factory brakes (caliper), but not so much the rotor (lack thereof)...

Interesting.

88BlackZ-51

That's pretty awesome. When my 421 is all done. I will need to upgrade my 13 inch brakes. will these fit under my C5 Z06 rims. I hope so........

88BlackZ-51

What do u think of these brakes? Do they have anything 4 the rear?

Aurora40

I'd just seen them on their site too. I cut out the template and it seems it'll fit my AFS 5-spokes fine. I also wonder though how big a benefit it provides with stock rotors? I could see it might have less flex, etc, and thus have better pedal feel, but would it be more fade resistant or otherwise improve the braking?

Sidney004

I agree, not to mention the piston area is almost 33% greater than the J55's; it is going to be a very front biased system.

5abivt

Thanks for the link ! I'll be placing an order for those real soon. You'll see 2 grand sport calipers in perfect condition for sale very soon ! These should look better until I can save up for a full Movit system front and rear.

After looking at it I don't think by themselves they will add any performance benefits except for the surface area of the pads if they are larger. I will guess that a J55/zr1 caliper with a more aggressive pad compound can provide better stopping. On the other hand I am going to assume pedal stiffness will be much better. If people are reporting a difference between c5 calipers than I am hoping these will be even stiffer. I am going to assume the 13" brackets aren't needed for this kit and the Baer bracket replaces it?

BrianCunningham

Have you seen this thread in the RR section?

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/newr...y&p=1566693706

5abivt

I think there might be a possibility of a group purchase on these if we have enough interested.

Aurora40

Consider me interested.

BrianCunningham

Me too!

No Go

I only came across the site with no additional info. I had not seen the Autocross post...only searched the C4 Tech before posting...oops.

Sidney004: How did you figure the 33% number? I have not done the math, but figure Baer is one company that would engineer the product to perform. One caution is comparing a 6 piston opposed design to a 2 piston sliding caliper-it has confused me before.

At first glance they appear to fit the CE wheels (9.5x17). That is big smiles for me.

I can only imagine better pedal feel and possibly better fade resistance, but to what degree...maybe negligible. The pad is larger, but the C5 brakes certainly aren't the end all setup.

OEM replacement rotors isn't a terrible thing, if they last thru the events. DRM offers some C4 aluminum hat rotors-pricey, but if they offer some benefit and reduced cost as one replaces just the rotor...

OEM rotors cost is not insignificant (C4 rotors are closer to 100 each than not, unlike the C5 setup.) But then one would have a solid stream of replacement parts for those that keep their cars til their 20 years old!

I suppose it offers a nice mid price solution rather than the full $2400 Baer system that requires 18 inch wheels and requisite expensive tires, etc. which really drives up the cost of the upgrade...heck maybe the spare would fit over these!

Sidney004

I am personally very interested in upgraded front calipers as well, as my J55's are thermally inadequate for track use.
I came up with 7.065 sq.in for the J55 caliper and 9.38 sq.in for the 6 piston Baer. I doubled the area of the sliding pin J55, so it is equal to a 4 piston 1.50 Dia caliper. The Baer pistons are 1.63 Dia, 1.38 Dia. and 1.192 Dia. yielding 9.38 sq.in. I am really curious to see how this works as I really need to upgrade. The increase in piston area should be proportional to an increase in clamping force. With greater volume displacement of the master cylinder, the pedal travel should be longer too.
http://www.baer.com/products/caliper...6p-tech-03.jpg

Aurora40

I tried the template and it didn't quite make it. Close though. So it's possible the spare would fit over the real thing, but maybe not.

0C5stein

Not only is the larger pad an advantage, the Caliper is much stiffer than your stock caliper.

While the larger caliper bore should yield slightly longer pedal travel, some will be offset by the stiffer caliper and in other cars, I've found that the longer pedal travel makes it easier to modulate the brakes to prevent lockup.

If you guys want a GP, just let me know. We can do it for a quantity of one.

5abivt

FIrst in line Lets get the GP started !!

SDF

Price for a group purchase?

5abivt

Waiting as well email sent

0C5stein

Sorry for the delayed response. My grandmother died this morning and it has been hectic.

I believe that I already listed the price earlier in the post.

I'm not in the office, but I believe that $1195 is already a discounted price and MSI is offering to pay freight and California Tax (if applicable).

I'll be in the office for a bit tomorrow, but I'm not sure about the rest of the week.

5abivt

Odd that I can't PM you. SO even if we had 10 people interested there's no additional discount ??

0C5stein

Oh it isn't odd that you can't PM me. You will find that I'm on and around the computer so little that the best way to get ahold of me is by phone. As a side bar, there are usually so many questions that I need to ask in order to fill your request accurately, that email and PMs just slow the process down too much, so for a prompt response, just pick up the phone and call.

I found out actual pricing today and there would be room for an additional discount for 10 sets, but staying true to the agreement that I have signed with Baer, I can't post any prices online without getting my hand slapped. So either send me an email: mark@motorsportimage.com
or for a prompt response, call me at 916-784-2323