Short-Throw

I was at the Detroit Auto-show for the NCM unveiling and took a few pics.

Front Viper Brake........


Front ZR-1 Brake........


Rear Viper Brake.........


Rear ZR-1 Brake...........





Mike

Everett Ogilvie

Whooo Hoooooo!

RUBYREDVET

It's not the size of your brakes, but how you use them.

NKRZ06

That's what my wife says....:

RUBYREDVET

They are impressive to look at though.

m3brad

Nice PICS Mike! I really like the fact that the ZR-1 wheels appear to be polished, as opposed to chrome . . .

DT

Are you sure that's not the REAR brake

ChargedC6

yeah but on the other hand i feel sorry when you need new pads on zr-1.

03QuicksilverZ06

you gotta pay to play

Slowgoin

Even the GTR has 15" all the way around. Why would they (Dodge) do such a thing? Maybe an upgrade option from the factory.

ChargedC6

just because they are huge brakes dosnt mean it stops as well. if you read the tech write ups on the braking for the acr viper it stakes it has less then a 100ft stopping distance from 60. thats pretty F'n good if you ask me. actually thats VERY good.

to me it looks like another whos is bigger arguement. seems to me there are alot of insecure vette fans out there that are trying to find every little thing possible to bash the viper.

RC45

Sounds about right - BTW isnt the stopping power more a function of the tyre than the brake rotor at these levels any way?

C5R USA

Z Fast

Yes, it is a function of tire, BUT repeated use of the brakes will reduce the capability of brakes as heat takes over. I don't doubt that the Viper brakes will stop it fast, but after repeated abuse on a high speed track, which brake do you think will continue to perform. My bet is on the ZR1 carbon ceramics. And the car with brakes that can give consistent performance and feel(confidence) will be the one that will turn faster track times as the race goes on.

The OP made a statement based on his knowledge and experience. If you were to ask him the weak point in the C6Z (with regards to track duty), I'm certain he would point to the brakes. This is not a case who is bigger, just a function of physics. But it may be a case of who is lighter

Tom

ChargedC6

I agree with the statement but again also do you honestly think that dodge would release the ACR (American club RACER) viper which is designed for track use with a set of brakes that wouldnt be able to safely handle the car over long repeated track days?

and plus i bet the owners of the ACR will see alot more track time then the Zr1 owners will because most of the vettes will be bought and thrown in a garage and used as grandmasters in disney parades.


all in all i think it is safe to say no matter what every time a new model of these cars is released there is always going to be people bashing both because this is bigger or these seats look and feel nicer. these cars are different in many ways and each has its ups and downs and is designed and sold for different people. I just hate the fact that (sorry to ramble) from what i have seen the vette owners/fans take any little thing they can to bash the Viper. But i guess in a world with freedom of speach there is nothing that can be done about this.!

Z Fast

You are right, many will have an opinion without the knowledge or information to back it up, and only to say mine is better because, well, I own one, so it must be so.

If you knew Mike(Short-Throw), you would know that he is not like that. He has nothing but respect for all ultra performance cars. But he is passionate about brakes and stopping.


Tom

GeneCamaro

A lot of cars will stop from 60 within a 100 feet. The C5 Z51 and Z06 managed that. It's repeated high speed stops, minimal brake fade, and pedal modulation that's the important part. I don't doubt that the ACR's brakes will survive on the track. The ZR1's brakes are just on another level above.

If you think this is bashing you should check out the Viper boards, it really sounds like there are some clueless (maybe denial?) people over there when it comes to the Z06 and ZR1.

DT

Yeah, I mean both "camps" do it - no different than FSU v. Florida, Chevy v. Ford, Missionary v. Doggy, *ahem*, etc.

Each manufacturer keeps leaping ahead - you've got out of sync development cycles so there's constantly going to be someone with bigger/better.

Maybe the ZR1 *does* have better brakes. Period. No footnote about "in this special usage case this, or cost/demographic that". Can't we have a little fun and competition without being labeled insecure? (I know I'm not).

I think it's all in fun and breeds healthy competition that improves BOTH products!

DT

stanklr

Holy Moly Batman!!!!!! Zr1> ugly *** ricer viper...

Thanks for sharing man

agentf1

Not to get into a pissing match and I am not much on bench racing but I think the Viper will own the ZR1 on the track mostly due to it being naturally aspired.

Now on the street I think the ZR1 will rule all the way.

Personally I would be happy to have either one.

Stanklr, it is only rice if it is not functional. The ACR is intended for the track and the wing which I agree looks kinda ricey on a street car is fully functional on the track. I am sure there will be a few posers that buy it for street use only but Dodge is looking after the people that actually track their cars. Anybody wanting to track their Z06 are buying new brakes. And not to mention I could say the same thing about the ground effects on the ZR1 but then like I said it too is functional.

Time will tell.