Z06 Drag Racers Help Me Here.
05-09-2005, 01:16 PM
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Yeah, Al. I know what you mean.
Kinda like club golf. Some guy wins the club championship. Most folks understand there's a lot of practice that went into the winners game. A few club duffers are "inclined" to believe he/she cheated on his scores.
Ranger
Kinda like club golf. Some guy wins the club championship. Most folks understand there's a lot of practice that went into the winners game. A few club duffers are "inclined" to believe he/she cheated on his scores.
Ranger
05-09-2005, 02:33 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by 02MYZO6
You guys..."capable drivers"...make me laugh. 
Do you actually believe that you can convince everyone on this forum that you are the best and greatest drivers of the "bone stock C5 ZO6"? You all appear to have the most fragile egos. When will you let it rest? Your believers and supporters already seem more numerous than the skeptics (at least here on this forum it appears that way). What sort of recognition are you seeking?
Do you actually believe that you can convince everyone on this forum that you are the best and greatest drivers of the "bone stock C5 ZO6"? You all appear to have the most fragile egos. When will you let it rest? Your believers and supporters already seem more numerous than the skeptics (at least here on this forum it appears that way). What sort of recognition are you seeking?
Go to this site & click on the 4th file down on the right.
http://www.challengevideos.com
That's me from the Corvette Challenge Sat @ Etown. Listen carefully to the shifts & the launch. This is what Ranger is eluding to...what you can achieve w/ practice.....
It IS possible & many can do the same...It's not an easy task, & track prep & weather always help!
Ron
05-10-2005, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 02MYZO6
I've been on the forums (CF & ZO6vette) for 3 years now following threads like these (bone stock 11 sec Z's). I too, am one of the many skeptics. Everytime someone questions these 11 sec runs in stock Z's w/ stock tires....you all (those making these exceptional claims) are quick to the defense. And usually the defensive attitude implies guilt. Otherwise, your egos are so big that "you think you're superman behind the wheel and then get pissed off when someone doubts your claims"
Come on, a 10 year old kid has the muscle memory to make these shifts. I don't see the purpose in practicing your shifts w/ engine off. Practicing your shifting under hard acceleration is a whole different ballgame. IMHO, shifting is all about timing w/ the engine on and accelerting. With all do respect, muscle memory has nothing to do with timing the shift under hard acceleration.
FLAME RETARDENT SUIT ON!!
Come on, a 10 year old kid has the muscle memory to make these shifts. I don't see the purpose in practicing your shifts w/ engine off. Practicing your shifting under hard acceleration is a whole different ballgame. IMHO, shifting is all about timing w/ the engine on and accelerting. With all do respect, muscle memory has nothing to do with timing the shift under hard acceleration.
FLAME RETARDENT SUIT ON!!
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05-10-2005, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ranger
You had the very first flame of the thread. And still flaming on.
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05-10-2005, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Korreck
I guess you're comparing your times to the one I posted. It means nothing if you're saying you're a lousy driver and ran a faster time so he's worse. I've seen cars vary .3 depending on the weather. Same night.
If a good driver is capable of running 12.2s in good conditions I certainly think a great driver is capable of better.
05-10-2005, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by shurite44
Hey fellows, I suggest we let this thread die. It has gotten pretty far off topic anyway.
Everybody needs a laugh once in a while. 
Rock on........
05-10-2005, 09:06 PM
#108
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WallStall,
You should come up to Sac Raceway. Z06's really benefit from someone who knows how to drive. I seen a basically stock one, run 11.8's, with a 2.0 60'. Only mods being driver and long tube headers.
You should come up to Sac Raceway. Z06's really benefit from someone who knows how to drive. I seen a basically stock one, run 11.8's, with a 2.0 60'. Only mods being driver and long tube headers.
The futility is quite obvious. I'll step down, but it was fun 
05-11-2005, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TIMSPEED
WallStall,
You should come up to Sac Raceway. Z06's really benefit from someone who knows how to drive. I seen a basically stock one, run 11.8's, with a 2.0 60'. Only mods being driver and long tube headers.
You should come up to Sac Raceway. Z06's really benefit from someone who knows how to drive. I seen a basically stock one, run 11.8's, with a 2.0 60'. Only mods being driver and long tube headers.
We have people here that can drive and it doesn't happen!! Long Tube Headers do not equate to stock!!!!
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05-11-2005, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by wallstAL
WallstAL = wallstreetAL not Stall!
We have people here that can drive and it doesn't happen!! Long Tube Headers do not equate to stock!!!!
We have people here that can drive and it doesn't happen!! Long Tube Headers do not equate to stock!!!!
Good collection of Gif files. You been on here tooooooooooo long.
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05-11-2005, 11:27 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by EB20003
So if he is running a stock rear end he will hit 4th gear and if he is running 4.10s he will too.
So are you saying that other than his ETs it is impossible to tell just by observing him run it down the track?
I always thought that if you ran lower gears (higher number) you had to shift sooner.
I look at this car and I can't put my finger on it ......but something just isn't right. Routinely, consistent, 12.1, 12.0X with just headers and a breather.
So are you saying that other than his ETs it is impossible to tell just by observing him run it down the track?
I always thought that if you ran lower gears (higher number) you had to shift sooner.
I look at this car and I can't put my finger on it ......but something just isn't right. Routinely, consistent, 12.1, 12.0X with just headers and a breather.
You'll kill'em ... I know it! 
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05-11-2005, 11:31 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by Ranger
Your sig says you're a systems engineer. So you might appreciate the remoteness of the possibility that the timing equipment is improperly calibrated at the four tracks I've run
11.8s bone-stock on stock tires and
11.5s with just drag radials with a cold-air intake
For the record...the tracks are:
Maryland International Raceway, Budds Creek, Maryland
Cecil County Dragway, Rising Sun, Maryland
Capitol Raceway, Crofton, Maryland
Atco Racway, Atco, New Jersey
Ranger
11.8s bone-stock on stock tires and
11.5s with just drag radials with a cold-air intake
For the record...the tracks are:
Maryland International Raceway, Budds Creek, Maryland
Cecil County Dragway, Rising Sun, Maryland
Capitol Raceway, Crofton, Maryland
Atco Racway, Atco, New Jersey
Ranger
05-11-2005, 11:46 PM
#114
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Originally Posted by EB20003
Wow, I never meant to start this.
I will say ... it's rather entertaining, no?
Not to mention that it has made me feel that I stink at driving being that I have only achieved a 12.1 :o
05-12-2005, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SCEMO
Sounds like you 'da man Ranger ... I could use some pointers if you ever make it to Houston Raceway Park!
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05-12-2005, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Ranger
The guy to hook up with at HRP is J-Rod. If you search this thread for his name, you'll find a link to some J-Rod vids of 11 second passes at HRP.
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05-18-2005, 08:36 AM
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Wow, I missed this thread.
Anyhow, give me a holler. I'm out at HRP a lot, or if you're going to go, I'll make a trip out there to meet you. I live 5 minutes from the track, and I have a suite out there.
Anyhow, like Ranger said, I ran a 11.783 in my car 100% stock, and 11.606 with the airbox lid off it @ HRP. I went 11.596 on Et Streets as the car doesn't make enough power to keep the Et Streets moving... If you "dead hook" the car bogs. So, you have to tune them to spin, and your fighting wheelspin vs rpm vs bog...
Anyhow, I've run my car at Beech Bend in the middle of summer in high humidity, fairly low baro, and that wonderful beech bend track prep . Guess what, the car lost 5 mph and 1 full second. I then drove a 560+ RWHP Z06 that could only muster a 10.93 which is about a second off what it should run.
As a counterpoint to that. I've run a 12.0 @ HRP in the middle of the summer but to do so required me to hammer on the car probably harder than I ever had. I was launching with a lot of clutch slip @ 6500 RPM on the stock radials, and ran 4 or 5 12.0x (personal quest for an 11.9 in BAD weather).
Anyhow, after my 11.783 run I had some question about the validity of my run here is an offer from one of the persons who looked over my car, and has seen me drive my car...
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51353
Anyhow, if I lived in an area that had really positive DA all the time, sure I'd be skeptical as the car would be slower. Anyhow, if someone wants to go out to HRP on a zero (or near 0 DA day) I'll be more than happy to put this to rest.
Anyhow, Ranger has posted up his helps and how to. Here is mine....
From my first pass in the car of a 12.7 to an 11.933 which came in about 4 trips to the drag strip...
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25298
Anyhow, give me a holler. I'm out at HRP a lot, or if you're going to go, I'll make a trip out there to meet you. I live 5 minutes from the track, and I have a suite out there.
Anyhow, like Ranger said, I ran a 11.783 in my car 100% stock, and 11.606 with the airbox lid off it @ HRP. I went 11.596 on Et Streets as the car doesn't make enough power to keep the Et Streets moving... If you "dead hook" the car bogs. So, you have to tune them to spin, and your fighting wheelspin vs rpm vs bog...
Anyhow, I've run my car at Beech Bend in the middle of summer in high humidity, fairly low baro, and that wonderful beech bend track prep
. Guess what, the car lost 5 mph and 1 full second. I then drove a 560+ RWHP Z06 that could only muster a 10.93 which is about a second off what it should run. As a counterpoint to that. I've run a 12.0 @ HRP in the middle of the summer but to do so required me to hammer on the car probably harder than I ever had. I was launching with a lot of clutch slip @ 6500 RPM on the stock radials, and ran 4 or 5 12.0x (personal quest for an 11.9 in BAD weather).
Anyhow, after my 11.783 run I had some question about the validity of my run here is an offer from one of the persons who looked over my car, and has seen me drive my car...
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51353
Originally Posted by 3gun
I personally witnessed J- Rods run as well as did many others. J- rod is such a straight up guy that you will never get anything but facts from him as evidenced by his following on this and other forums as well as from tuners and manufacturers.
But this is your lucky day! This may not settle the exact issue but I bet it will put the matter to sleep. --- You bring your car, that you have experience in, to Houston. Let J-Rod make five passes in it to get it's feel, then each of you run three times eliminating your worst run. Then average the two remaining runs to see who is fastest in the car. If you win I'll pay your reasonable expenses {as determined by members of this forum} for coming plus $1000.00 If J-Rod wins you pay your own expenses and give an apology on Z06vette.com once each week for a year to him and all the other guys that have worked long and hard to be able to perform at a level you probably will never understand.
tommy
But this is your lucky day! This may not settle the exact issue but I bet it will put the matter to sleep. --- You bring your car, that you have experience in, to Houston. Let J-Rod make five passes in it to get it's feel, then each of you run three times eliminating your worst run. Then average the two remaining runs to see who is fastest in the car. If you win I'll pay your reasonable expenses {as determined by members of this forum} for coming plus $1000.00 If J-Rod wins you pay your own expenses and give an apology on Z06vette.com once each week for a year to him and all the other guys that have worked long and hard to be able to perform at a level you probably will never understand.
tommy
Anyhow, Ranger has posted up his helps and how to. Here is mine....
From my first pass in the car of a 12.7 to an 11.933 which came in about 4 trips to the drag strip...
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25298
05-18-2005, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Rod
Wow, I missed this thread.
Anyhow, give me a holler. I'm out at HRP a lot, or if you're going to go, I'll make a trip out there to meet you. I live 5 minutes from the track, and I have a suite out there.
Anyhow, like Ranger said, I ran a 11.783 in my car 100% stock, and 11.606 with the airbox lid off it @ HRP. I went 11.596 on Et Streets as the car doesn't make enough power to keep the Et Streets moving... If you "dead hook" the car bogs. So, you have to tune them to spin, and your fighting wheelspin vs rpm vs bog...
Anyhow, I've run my car at Beech Bend in the middle of summer in high humidity, fairly low baro, and that wonderful beech bend track prep . Guess what, the car lost 5 mph and 1 full second. I then drove a 560+ RWHP Z06 that could only muster a 10.93 which is about a second off what it should run.
As a counterpoint to that. I've run a 12.0 @ HRP in the middle of the summer but to do so required me to hammer on the car probably harder than I ever had. I was launching with a lot of clutch slip @ 6500 RPM on the stock radials, and ran 4 or 5 12.0x (personal quest for an 11.9 in BAD weather).
Anyhow, after my 11.783 run I had some question about the validity of my run here is an offer from one of the persons who looked over my car, and has seen me drive my car...
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51353
Anyhow, if I lived in an area that had really positive DA all the time, sure I'd be skeptical as the car would be slower. Anyhow, if someone wants to go out to HRP on a zero (or near 0 DA day) I'll be more than happy to put this to rest.
Anyhow, Ranger has posted up his helps and how to. Here is mine....
From my first pass in the car of a 12.7 to an 11.933 which came in about 4 trips to the drag strip...
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25298
Anyhow, give me a holler. I'm out at HRP a lot, or if you're going to go, I'll make a trip out there to meet you. I live 5 minutes from the track, and I have a suite out there.
Anyhow, like Ranger said, I ran a 11.783 in my car 100% stock, and 11.606 with the airbox lid off it @ HRP. I went 11.596 on Et Streets as the car doesn't make enough power to keep the Et Streets moving... If you "dead hook" the car bogs. So, you have to tune them to spin, and your fighting wheelspin vs rpm vs bog...
Anyhow, I've run my car at Beech Bend in the middle of summer in high humidity, fairly low baro, and that wonderful beech bend track prep
. Guess what, the car lost 5 mph and 1 full second. I then drove a 560+ RWHP Z06 that could only muster a 10.93 which is about a second off what it should run. As a counterpoint to that. I've run a 12.0 @ HRP in the middle of the summer but to do so required me to hammer on the car probably harder than I ever had. I was launching with a lot of clutch slip @ 6500 RPM on the stock radials, and ran 4 or 5 12.0x (personal quest for an 11.9 in BAD weather).
Anyhow, after my 11.783 run I had some question about the validity of my run here is an offer from one of the persons who looked over my car, and has seen me drive my car...
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51353
Anyhow, if I lived in an area that had really positive DA all the time, sure I'd be skeptical as the car would be slower. Anyhow, if someone wants to go out to HRP on a zero (or near 0 DA day) I'll be more than happy to put this to rest.
Anyhow, Ranger has posted up his helps and how to. Here is mine....
From my first pass in the car of a 12.7 to an 11.933 which came in about 4 trips to the drag strip...
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25298
05-19-2005, 07:51 PM
#120
Drifting
Wow, I'm exausted!
This is the first time I have really checked this section of the CF and I got sucked right into this one. So here I go:
I think there is a difference in polite skepticism and waving the flag.
Anyone who has read this thread and doesn't think Ranger's car is stock must think OJ is innocent.
I'm an old guy. Does anyone remember Ronney Sox doing clutchless power shifts? Driving does make a difference.
The restraint and good manners shown by Ranger, indicate no excessive ego.
This is the first time I have really checked this section of the CF and I got sucked right into this one. So here I go:
I think there is a difference in polite skepticism and waving the
flag.Anyone who has read this thread and doesn't think Ranger's car is stock must think OJ is innocent.
I'm an old guy. Does anyone remember Ronney Sox doing clutchless power shifts? Driving does make a difference.
The restraint and good manners shown by Ranger, indicate no excessive ego.