Ceramic Pads
03-07-2005, 05:47 PM
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Ceramic Pads
I'm installing eradispeed rotors and I bought a set of Delco Dura-Stop ceramic pads as well. I read they are quieter and give out less dust than the factory pads. My mechanic says the ceramic pads will be very noisy with the cross-drilled/slotted rotors, and to use the original pads. Opinions?
03-07-2005, 05:54 PM
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I just put on some brand new ceramic delco's...WOW what a difference ON BRAKE DUST!! You will be happy with them. I don't have drilled rotors so I can't say anything good or bad regarding them. Good luck and enjoy your cleaner wheels! 
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Originally Posted by AU N EGL
any pad on a drilled rotor will make some noise. That noise is from the rotors holes scrapping the pads. Kinda like a whorling noise.
Here is a picture of my four year old Eradispeed rotors with 55,000 miles on them taken two months ago..
Car is sitting high because it just came off jack stands
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03-07-2005, 08:10 PM
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Drilled and slotted sportbrakes, ceramic pads, no noises, and no problems with discoloration. However, I will have to say the dust level is just a little less than regular brake pads, but the dust is so light it is hard to see, until you wipe the rims.
03-07-2005, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
Ive had my drilled and slotted rotors for four years and put 55,000 miles on them. I have no noise, whorling or otherwise... As far as ceramics go... in my opinion they are garbage.. they make noise and are too hard,, the hardness is why they dust less, but with that hardness you get increased surface temperature which will discolor you drilled and slotted rotors.,.. as far as a one time panic stop with ceramics... they suck... again this is my opinion... I use the OEM factory pads with my Drilled and slotted rotors, and they work fantastically specially with a one time panic stop,,, they do not need to be heated up.. the ceramics dust less because they are harder, but at the price of discoloring your rotors...I have no misses with OEM pads dusting... I take care of my tires, wheels and rotors all the time...
Here is a picture of my four year old Eradispeed rotors with 55,000 miles on them taken two months ago..
Here is a picture of my four year old Eradispeed rotors with 55,000 miles on them taken two months ago..
"For most drivers, ceramic friction technology offers a number of performance advantages:
1. Elimination of brake squeal and grinding. Tests show that ceramic formulations, optimized for specific vehicle applications, are ideal for controlling and/or eliminating brake noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) issues.
These formulations also are designed to provide superior pad life and durability versus traditional brake pads in typical driving conditions, where temperatures range up to 250 degrees Celsius (482 degrees Fahrenheit).
2. More consistent stopping power. In critical braking situations, ceramic brake pads provide more consistent stopping power than semi-metallic pads.
Performance tests simulating both normal and panic stops indicate ceramic pads experience a minimal change in friction stability (or stopping power).
Under the same panic conditions, semi-metallic pads lose up to three times as much, which equates to a loss of more than one-third of the brake's stopping power.
3. Ultra-low dusting. Another significant customer complaint associated with brake performance is wheel dusting, especially involving semi-metallic pads.
The materials used in ceramic brake pads are more compatible with today's popular aluminum, open-wheel designs. This means elimination of the appearance of dusting.
4. Reduced rotor thickness variation. Ceramic brake pads also minimize rotor thickness variation and resulting pedal pulsation. Uniquely shaped ceramic particles are less abrasive to rotor surfaces.
In addition, ceramic pads tend to contact the rotor in a more adhesive fashion to slow the wheel as compared to semi-metallics and other pads."
03-07-2005, 08:39 PM
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I have HAWK PADS I've just put on my VNM X-drilled and slotted rotors..........................LOTS OF DUST! If I had it to do over I would go with CERAMICS! (Before I get ripped on, the Hawks work great!)
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
03-07-2005, 08:49 PM
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I have seen many people here post pictures of their rotors with ceramic pads...when I originally posted this information , many people pm'd me..
and showed me their discolored rotors.. some posted in an open forum and other did not...and posted privately.. I mean no disrespect to you, and I would suggest with all that information you just posted, to use ceramic pads. I used them for about a month , they did nothing but squeal and almost ruined my rotors.. their panic stop ability was horrible...and they were Hawk ceramics. a few years back many people here on the forum were getting into drilled and slotted rotors, and ceramic pads.. most of those people found the same thing I did... and now have them as a paper weight. I am not about to get into a debate on ceramic pads.. I'm just offering my opinion to the original poster.. my rotors speak for themself...My car continues to stop when I apply the brakes too....which is always a plus.
and showed me their discolored rotors.. some posted in an open forum and other did not...and posted privately.. I mean no disrespect to you, and I would suggest with all that information you just posted, to use ceramic pads. I used them for about a month , they did nothing but squeal and almost ruined my rotors.. their panic stop ability was horrible...and they were Hawk ceramics. a few years back many people here on the forum were getting into drilled and slotted rotors, and ceramic pads.. most of those people found the same thing I did... and now have them as a paper weight. I am not about to get into a debate on ceramic pads.. I'm just offering my opinion to the original poster.. my rotors speak for themself...My car continues to stop when I apply the brakes too....which is always a plus.
03-07-2005, 08:51 PM
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I have Eradispeeds and GM ceramics, and don't have any issues, discoloration or otherwise. Sure, they stop a little bit less forcefully, but since I'm not tracking the car, it's more or less a non-issue. Next to no brake dust, a welcome change from Z06 pads, and it's a no brainer for me. 
03-07-2005, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
I have seen many people here post pictures of their rotors with ceramic pads...when I originally posted this information , many people pm'd me..
and showed me their discolored rotors.. some posted in an open forum and other did not...and posted privately.. I mean no disrespect to you, and I would suggest with all that information you just posted, to use ceramic pads. I used them for about a month , they did nothing but squeal and almost ruined my rotors.. their panic stop ability was horrible...and they were Hawk ceramics. a few years back many people here on the forum were getting into drilled and slotted rotors, and ceramic pads.. most of those people found the same thing I did... and now have them as a paper weight. I am not about to get into a debate on ceramic pads.. I'm just offering my opinion to the original poster.. my rotors speak for themself...My car continues to stop when I apply the brakes too....which is always a plus.
and showed me their discolored rotors.. some posted in an open forum and other did not...and posted privately.. I mean no disrespect to you, and I would suggest with all that information you just posted, to use ceramic pads. I used them for about a month , they did nothing but squeal and almost ruined my rotors.. their panic stop ability was horrible...and they were Hawk ceramics. a few years back many people here on the forum were getting into drilled and slotted rotors, and ceramic pads.. most of those people found the same thing I did... and now have them as a paper weight. I am not about to get into a debate on ceramic pads.. I'm just offering my opinion to the original poster.. my rotors speak for themself...My car continues to stop when I apply the brakes too....which is always a plus.
They require more pressure than Z06 pads to stop and the rotors seem to heat up more. I have brand new Dura stop pads on brand new Dura stop crossed drilled and slotted rotors. The Z06 pads are great for stopping, but they suck on dusting.
03-07-2005, 10:54 PM
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Hey Evil-Twin, Thanks for the info. That is exactly what I asked for --- opinions. I appreciate the detail you gave and FYI, my mechanic agrees with you. Looks like I'll be staying with the stock pads. Those eradispeeds are way to costly to risk damage.
03-07-2005, 11:45 PM
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All good to know. I have my new rotors and GM pads installed. I'll have to wait and see what the dusting is like with the drilled and slotted verses the stock rotors. 
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All good to know. I have my new rotors and GM pads installed. I'll have to wait and see what the dusting is like with the drilled and slotted verses the stock rotors.
03-08-2005, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AU N EGL
any pad on a drilled rotor will make some noise. That noise is from the rotors holes scrapping the pads. Kinda like a whorling noise.
I've had ceramic pads on my Baer drilled and slotted rotors for over 2 years, never any noise.
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These formulations also are designed to provide superior pad life and durability versus traditional brake pads in typical driving conditions, where temperatures range up to 250 degrees Celsius (482 degrees Fahrenheit).
2. More consistent stopping power. In critical braking situations, ceramic brake pads provide more consistent stopping power than semi-metallic pads.
Performance tests simulating both normal and panic stops indicate ceramic pads experience a minimal change in friction stability (or stopping power).
Under the same panic conditions, semi-metallic pads lose up to three times as much, which equates to a loss of more than one-third of the brake's stopping power.
Performance tests simulating both normal and panic stops indicate ceramic pads experience a minimal change in friction stability (or stopping power).
Under the same panic conditions, semi-metallic pads lose up to three times as much, which equates to a loss of more than one-third of the brake's stopping power.
3. Ultra-low dusting. Another significant customer complaint associated with brake performance is wheel dusting, especially involving semi-metallic pads.
The materials used in ceramic brake pads are more compatible with today's popular aluminum, open-wheel designs. This means elimination of the appearance of dusting.
The materials used in ceramic brake pads are more compatible with today's popular aluminum, open-wheel designs. This means elimination of the appearance of dusting.
4. Reduced rotor thickness variation. Ceramic brake pads also minimize rotor thickness variation and resulting pedal pulsation. Uniquely shaped ceramic particles are less abrasive to rotor surfaces.
In addition, ceramic pads tend to contact the rotor in a more adhesive fashion to slow the wheel as compared to semi-metallics and other pads."
In addition, ceramic pads tend to contact the rotor in a more adhesive fashion to slow the wheel as compared to semi-metallics and other pads."
What is braking or slowing down anyway? it is the transfer of energy in motion, kinetic energy, to energy at rest, static energy. This energy trasfer or stopping is acomplished by friction to slow the car down and the resulting excess energy is HEAT. So by increasing the friction or abrasion between the rotor and brake pad, heat is produced and the car slows down.
Lots of great reading on the Big brake sites. Check out the Tech or FAQ sections.
http://www.stoptech.com and http://www.wilwood.com
in short Ceramic pads are OK for normal street driving, but not hard or any emergancy braking. and never for track time or a High Performance Drivers Education.
03-08-2005, 12:07 PM
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I have the cross drilled/slotted rotors from sportsbrake. Also have the GM ceramic pads. They have been on for over a year now. There is no discoloration on the rotors at all. There is hardly any dust. The combo seems to work as good as the factory set up. Every one says that the stopping of the ceramic pads will take about 5% longer. This I have noticed, but if you take that into consideration, there shouldn't be a problem. 
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The stock pads will work just fine. I have a set of the Hawk HPS pads on mine and I kind of wish I had just stuck with the stock ones. My rotors are a bit discolored from using them.
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Originally Posted by WhiteC5Vette
Drilled and slotted sportbrakes, ceramic pads, no noises, and no problems with discoloration. However, I will have to say the dust level is just a little less than regular brake pads, but the dust is so light it is hard to see, until you wipe the rims.
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
Ive had my drilled and slotted rotors for four years and put 55,000 miles on them. I have no noise, whorling or otherwise... As far as ceramics go... in my opinion they are garbage.. they make noise and are too hard,, the hardness is why they dust less, but with that hardness you get increased surface temperature which will discolor you drilled and slotted rotors.,.. as far as a one time panic stop with ceramics... they suck... again this is my opinion... I use the OEM factory pads with my Drilled and slotted rotors, and they work fantastically specially with a one time panic stop,,, they do not need to be heated up.. the ceramics dust less because they are harder, but at the price of discoloring your rotors...I have no issues with OEM pads dusting... I take care of my tires, wheels and rotors all the time...
Here is a picture of my four year old Eradispeed rotors with 55,000 miles on them taken two months ago..
Car is sitting high because it just came off jack stands
Here is a picture of my four year old Eradispeed rotors with 55,000 miles on them taken two months ago..
Car is sitting high because it just came off jack stands
Hard to believe your rotors are four years old though!!!!! They look brand new! Have you had any cracking problems with them thus far. Lots of people have mentioned that the slotted rotors tend to crack!Beautiful car bro!