[Z06] Dupe: Sort Of - Nurburgring times
07-11-2005, 08:22 PM
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Dupe: Sort Of - Nurburgring times
Found this over at GM LSX Syndicate: It's sort of a dupe, but just one more instance of the 7:40 claim. They even name Jan Magnusen as the driver.
For those who follow the development of performance cars, and the testing that goes on at Nurburgring, the new Corvette Z06 has made history. According to some German car magazines, it ran a 7:40 lap driven by a Jan Magnusen (a C6R LeMans driver).
Here is a comparison of other production cars which ran at Nurburgring:
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001)
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h – Corvette Z06, 505 PS/ 1419.7 kg (estimated), Jan Magnusen
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
For those who follow the development of performance cars, and the testing that goes on at Nurburgring, the new Corvette Z06 has made history. According to some German car magazines, it ran a 7:40 lap driven by a Jan Magnusen (a C6R LeMans driver).
Here is a comparison of other production cars which ran at Nurburgring:
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001)
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h – Corvette Z06, 505 PS/ 1419.7 kg (estimated), Jan Magnusen
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
07-11-2005, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by YukonCornelius
Found this over at GM LSX Syndicate: It's sort of a dupe, but just one more instance of the 7:40 claim. They even name Jan Magnusen as the driver.
For those who follow the development of performance cars, and the testing that goes on at Nurburgring, the new Corvette Z06 has made history. According to some German car magazines, it ran a 7:40 lap driven by a Jan Magnusen (a C6R LeMans driver).
Here is a comparison of other production cars which ran at Nurburgring:
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001)
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h – Corvette Z06, 505 PS/ 1419.7 kg (estimated), Jan Magnusen
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
For those who follow the development of performance cars, and the testing that goes on at Nurburgring, the new Corvette Z06 has made history. According to some German car magazines, it ran a 7:40 lap driven by a Jan Magnusen (a C6R LeMans driver).
Here is a comparison of other production cars which ran at Nurburgring:
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001)
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h – Corvette Z06, 505 PS/ 1419.7 kg (estimated), Jan Magnusen
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
07-11-2005, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ivan111
7:40 for the Z06 is a fabulous time.......
07-11-2005, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 05C6spdvert
Anything 7:45 or under is simply outstanding. 
07-12-2005, 11:44 AM
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Can someone summarize this Ring controversy for me ? Did the Z do a 7:40 or a 7:43 time.
I'd earlier seen comments that the 7:40 was the Blue Devil's time ... but, this can't be ligit.
Clearly the Devil would run down in the high 20's or 30's ( where the Carrera GT runs).
I'd earlier seen comments that the 7:40 was the Blue Devil's time ... but, this can't be ligit.
Clearly the Devil would run down in the high 20's or 30's ( where the Carrera GT runs).
07-12-2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bernrex
Can someone summarize this Ring controversy for me ? Did the Z do a 7:40 or a 7:43 time.
I'd earlier seen comments that the 7:40 was the Blue Devil's time ... but, this can't be ligit.
Clearly the Devil would run down in the high 20's or 30's ( where the Carrera GT runs).
I'd earlier seen comments that the 7:40 was the Blue Devil's time ... but, this can't be ligit.
Clearly the Devil would run down in the high 20's or 30's ( where the Carrera GT runs).
Additionally, there are actual pictures of Jan and the blue Z06 at the ring on a couple of the other boards (digital and Z06).
I've seen 7:40 and 7:43. I'm leaning towards 7:43 because 7:40 sounds like something that could have been mistakenly misunderstood from someone saying it did 7:40's or something like that. But it could be either, or none. Nothing confirmed yet.
Still, where there is smoke, there's often fire and I suspect it will turn out that the Z06 did one of the two numbers above.
07-12-2005, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Steele
I believe the Blue Devil rumor is completely false. It was a BLUE Z06 and that was enough to throw initial reports off. The Blue Devil is almost certainly still an undecided item on a drawing board. There might be some vehicles in test form that some lucky engineers are toying with, but nothing they'd likely take to the ring to test.
Additionally, there are actual pictures of Jan and the blue Z06 at the ring on a couple of the other boards (digital and Z06).
I've seen 7:40 and 7:43. I'm leaning towards 7:43 because 7:40 sounds like something that could have been mistakenly misunderstood from someone saying it did 7:40's or something like that. But it could be either, or none. Nothing confirmed yet.
Still, where there is smoke, there's often fire and I suspect it will turn out that the Z06 did one of the two numbers above.
Additionally, there are actual pictures of Jan and the blue Z06 at the ring on a couple of the other boards (digital and Z06).
I've seen 7:40 and 7:43. I'm leaning towards 7:43 because 7:40 sounds like something that could have been mistakenly misunderstood from someone saying it did 7:40's or something like that. But it could be either, or none. Nothing confirmed yet.
Still, where there is smoke, there's often fire and I suspect it will turn out that the Z06 did one of the two numbers above.
Still ... remember all those forum members last week who were convinced that Autoweek had the photos of the Blue Devil running the Ring ?
Claiming the pictures were PROOF of it. Claiming pictures were so easy to get at the Ring. Stating GM couldn't protect its Devil from even a neophyte photographer.
Well .... let them now eat some Blue Z roadkill ... and Crow from their little tinhorns.
07-12-2005, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bernrex
Can someone summarize this Ring controversy for me ? Did the Z do a 7:40 or a 7:43 time.
I'd earlier seen comments that the 7:40 was the Blue Devil's time ... but, this can't be ligit.
Clearly the Devil would run down in the high 20's or 30's ( where the Carrera GT runs).
I'd earlier seen comments that the 7:40 was the Blue Devil's time ... but, this can't be ligit.
Clearly the Devil would run down in the high 20's or 30's ( where the Carrera GT runs).
Gerade erst GT1-Klassensieger in Le Mans, gab Jan Magnusson kurz darauf am Nürburgring Gas. Mit der Corvette Z06 sollte der Rundenrekord fallen - knackige Werbung für die neue Sport-Corvette. Doch mehr als gute 7.40 Minuten war nicht drin. Der Nordschleifen-Rekord für Serienautos hält weiterhin ein Donkervoort RS: 7.18.01!
So if someone can translate that correctly, you'll have an answer. Some say that it translates to "not quite 7:40" and others state that it says "no better than 7:40."
Best as I can tell, it's just saying that it couldn't do better than 7:40. Not that it specifically did 7:40.
I don't know German, so hopefully someone else here is fluent.
07-12-2005, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Scissors
I don't know German, so hopefully someone else here is fluent.
07-12-2005, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bernrex
Don't let that minor fact prevent you from attempting a translation.
07-12-2005, 02:48 PM
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This is from a friend of mine.
"Here’s a quick attempt. Tell me if it makes sense to you. Not great grammar, but I’m in a hurry here!!!"
“Straight from his GT1 class victory at Le Mans, Jan Magnusson shortly thereafter at the Nuremburg Ring came up with speed. With the Corvette Z06, should the track record fall – great advertising for the new sports Corvette. However, more than a good 7:40 wasn’t in it. The North Loop record for Series Cars is still held by a Donkervoort RS: 7:18:01.”
"Here’s a quick attempt. Tell me if it makes sense to you. Not great grammar, but I’m in a hurry here!!!"
“Straight from his GT1 class victory at Le Mans, Jan Magnusson shortly thereafter at the Nuremburg Ring came up with speed. With the Corvette Z06, should the track record fall – great advertising for the new sports Corvette. However, more than a good 7:40 wasn’t in it. The North Loop record for Series Cars is still held by a Donkervoort RS: 7:18:01.”
07-12-2005, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 05C6spdvert
This is from a friend of mine.
"Here’s a quick attempt. Tell me if it makes sense to you. Not great grammar, but I’m in a hurry here!!!"
“Straight from his GT1 class victory at Le Mans, Jan Magnusson shortly thereafter at the Nuremburg Ring came up with speed. With the Corvette Z06, should the track record fall – great advertising for the new sports Corvette. However, more than a good 7:40 wasn’t in it. The North Loop record for Series Cars is still held by a Donkervoort RS: 7:18:01.”
"Here’s a quick attempt. Tell me if it makes sense to you. Not great grammar, but I’m in a hurry here!!!"
“Straight from his GT1 class victory at Le Mans, Jan Magnusson shortly thereafter at the Nuremburg Ring came up with speed. With the Corvette Z06, should the track record fall – great advertising for the new sports Corvette. However, more than a good 7:40 wasn’t in it. The North Loop record for Series Cars is still held by a Donkervoort RS: 7:18:01.”
Also ... just in from Automobile ... the Porsche Cayman S did the Ring in 8:11 ... driven by the Walter Rohrl. Not bad for a Boxster with a hardtop.
07-12-2005, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 05C6spdvert
This is from a friend of mine.
"Here’s a quick attempt. Tell me if it makes sense to you. Not great grammar, but I’m in a hurry here!!!"
“Straight from his GT1 class victory at Le Mans, Jan Magnusson shortly thereafter at the Nuremburg Ring came up with speed. With the Corvette Z06, should the track record fall – great advertising for the new sports Corvette. However, more than a good 7:40 wasn’t in it. The North Loop record for Series Cars is still held by a Donkervoort RS: 7:18:01.”
"Here’s a quick attempt. Tell me if it makes sense to you. Not great grammar, but I’m in a hurry here!!!"
“Straight from his GT1 class victory at Le Mans, Jan Magnusson shortly thereafter at the Nuremburg Ring came up with speed. With the Corvette Z06, should the track record fall – great advertising for the new sports Corvette. However, more than a good 7:40 wasn’t in it. The North Loop record for Series Cars is still held by a Donkervoort RS: 7:18:01.”
Everything in this translation is true and verifiable except for the actual time for the Z06 (assuming it was a Z06 and not a Blue Devil).
You'll also notice a Z06 time of 7:40 has entered the listings for the Ring times on some sites. Some sites say it hasn't been verified yet (it hasn't) and that is where we are are today.
07-12-2005, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rockettc
The translation's okay but we still don't know if there is any truth to it. Somehow if a german magazine reports on the Z06 in Germany in german it seems more credible than say autoweek's Blue Devil in english. Auto-Bild (german) also had something.
Everything in this translation is true and verifiable except for the actual time for the Z06 (assuming it was a Z06 and not a Blue Devil).
You'll also notice a Z06 time of 7:40 has entered the listings for the Ring times on some sites. Some sites say it hasn't been verified yet (it hasn't) and that is where we are are today.
Everything in this translation is true and verifiable except for the actual time for the Z06 (assuming it was a Z06 and not a Blue Devil).
You'll also notice a Z06 time of 7:40 has entered the listings for the Ring times on some sites. Some sites say it hasn't been verified yet (it hasn't) and that is where we are are today.
Good points ... great legal opinion. I'd want you on the jury .. if ever on trial.