14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine.....
 

http://www.gminsidenews.com/c6.htm

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Excellent article - and camless engines? - that's sure new to us!

George

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Speed-Racer)
 

Great article! Can't wait for C6

:cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (MaxPower)
 

WOW! :cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Good read.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Peach)
 

:confused: Link didn't work for me

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

You know, these guys deserved to get fired. Freakin idiots....what did they gain from giving out this information? Such clowns... I hate people who have to open their big mouth regarding a new product!:mad If your lucky enough to know about it, then you should keep your mouth shut, and keep the info to yourself. Realize that your privliged to know this, and go on with your life. I'm sure those guys are now looking for a job....Good luck getting hired, when trying to explain why you were fired from your last job. "Yes, ummm, I gave out secret company info...." yeah, someone wants to hire an untrusting person...... :rolleyes: :nono:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Peach)
 

Quite interesting...this is a GM sanctioned site?

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (TNTC4VETTE)
 

:eek: Link worked this time :yesnod: Quite promising news about the C6 :D

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

A Camless engine also weighs less because it doesn't need a starter motor. It is self starting!

The computer sees what cylinder is ready to fire, sqirts in a little gas and fires the plug. SOOO cool.

Karl

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (kgruber)
 

Wow if it is really electronicly controlled it would mean you could radically change the intake and exaust timeing with the touch of a button. You could optimize for the track then on the way home optimize for normal use...

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (kgruber)
 

All of this sounds good but it is still rumor so dont go getting your panties up in a bunch like we all did for the 50th annv model :mad This does look more promissing thought :D I just hope that the price remains in the 50K range and doesnt jump in the 70K range trying to compete with the Viper :yesnod:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

I hope that variable valve timing works better than the C5 steering column lock.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Sounds like a nice car, I'll probably find it ugly, and it will be WAY out of my price range.

I made the right choice in a C5

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (1990bevile)
 

What's nice about infinitely variable valve timing is that touching a button is not necessary. The engine will already be optimized for track and street at the same time - it would simply be based on the throttle position and RPM's - the engine could react instantaneously to driver demands.

I'm taking this info with a grain of salt. If people want to be convincing in my eyes, they need to be able to run a spell check and have someone who knows English proof their work before publishing it. Interesting speculation, though.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Xssesive)
 

Cool Info

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (55SUX)
 

http://www.corvetteforum.cc/zeroimg/...withstupid.gif

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (99Mongoose400SS)
 

This sounds like the best news yet...especially the part about the car looking like a C5 on steroids. Lighter and more powerful sure is great too. Hope its not BS.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Nice read Thanks :cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (RHILL)
 

Thanks! All I can say is that I hope there's some truth to the new engine. (without a huge price increase!)

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (QuickSilver97)
 

I love the part about being 300-500lb lighter! :eek: Now that’s cool! http://www.agrnet.com:8888/Pictures/...es/bowdown.gif

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Very cool reading. :cool: :cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (JWSchmidt3)
 

300 - 500 lbs lighter along with 500bhp (425RWHP) would be godlike!

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

The LS2 Edit should be very interesting. :crazy:
Grind your own cam with software. :cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Blowing away a Viper at $20K fewer bucks would be fantastic, but you can be absolutely positive that the C6 will annihilate ANY stock Mustang, supercharged or otherwise! 2700lbs and more than 400 HP is good, very good!

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Dave68)
 

Glad to see rumors of this technology possibly hitting the automotive industry. I first heard about the camless engine about 4-5 years ago when it was being used in one of the diesel rigs racing in the Pikes Peak race. At the time I thought wow camless engine how does it work? Got the low down on it and was told the automotive industry is usually about 5 years behind the "big big truck" industry. Hope to see it surface soon. Less weight, less friction, less parasitic loss of energy. :cool:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Dave68)
 

Hope its all true :yesnod: :cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

thanks, that was a GREAT read i hope its true, without getting too expensive :cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (hubes)
 

14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine

What if the real headlines are:

GM fakes false firing story to hide the real truth about their new engine for the Corvette, the DOHC designed (Blah, Blah, Blah)....

Maybe at this juncture, we're all being fooled.


[Modified by Mike Mercury, 4:15 PM 8/7/2002]

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Mike Mercury)
 

Have to raise the :bs flag here!

My dad, who is a Vette owner ('61) and an aircraft engine guru, says he's never heard of a 'cam-less' aircraft engine. If fact, the big radial aircraft engines used a ring-type cam with roller followers.

Mercedes, on the other hand, is experimenting with electronically metering the amount of oil in the lifter, thereby effecting duration on-the-fly.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (SDVette)
 

Two-stroke motors are camless....maybe we are getting outboards. :lol: :lol:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Dave68)
 

http://www.corvetteforum.cc/zeroimg/...withstupid.gif Now thas what i'm talkin bout!!! :smash:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Wow, I really need to start saving money for a 2006 C6 Z06. :D Screw the engagement ring and house my girlfriend wants. :D :D

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Camless motors?
Starter less engines?
Wagons with no horses?
It's the work of the devil I tell you. :smash:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (QUIKAG)
 

Yes, radial (round) aircraft engines DO have camshafts AND pushrods. The technology is ancient. Remember, these engines can operate with no electrical system. They have magnetos for spark like a lawn mower. Where would the power come from to operate electric valves, anyway?

Maybe the new engine will have no camshaft OR crankshaft, put out 500HP and weigh only 37 pounds and, oh yes, get 172.7 MPG.

I hope the C6 is not as small as some of the drawings I've seen....not very Corvette-like if it's not much bigger than a Miata.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

500 hp..sign me up... :yesnod:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (TNTC4VETTE)
 

:eek: Can't wait :D

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine.....
 

There are 3 items I am very doubtful of:
1) 300-500lb weight reduction. For one thing, if this is secret insider info, why can't they narrow it down to more than 200lbs? This sounds like BS.
2) camless engine, 42V electrical system. I'd love to have these, but would be amazed if GM had them out by 2004.
3) aluminum frame. this part sounds like it was made up by a non-engineer, who blindly thinks "aluminum is better" for EVERYTHING. There is a reason the C5 has a steel frame, after all. Compare the NSX to the 911. One all-aluminum, one all-steel. They weigh the same. Aluminum doesn't automatically equal a huge weight reduction.

And if they mean electro-hydraulically operated valves like have been seen in R&D engines for the last 5-10 years, then they have NOTHING to do with aircraft engines from the past.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Thanks for sharing that art! :D

14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Miles in Michigan)
 

ohhh.... that engine. Heck there's been a picture of it in about every issue of
Popular Science magazine. It's usually next to the drawing of the
family submarine :)

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

About 5 years ago, I saw a demonstration of an engine with electronic valve lifters. The demonstration was at the SAE show.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (kgruber)
 

You'd probably still need a starter...gotta bump the motor over somehow ;)

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (TAMUz28)
 

Call me old school, I'd still rather have a ZR-1 :(

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[Modified by ledfoot, 8:40 PM 8/7/2002]

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (brewtoo)
 

HMMMMMMMMM? :cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Speed-Racer)
 

Well, okay, if they say so, but I'm not going to hold my breath for the "camless engine." There have been tech articles (in SAE journals) and other hints and tidbits about it for years. I've actually seen "it" (at least once version of it) and I don't think it was that secret. It was 350 c.i. It did look like an LS-type block (it was definately alum. It did use electronically controlled solenoid/hydraulics to actuate the valves. Its "cam profile" could be programmed to change dynamically with RPM, throttel oppening, etc., to be optimal under all cirsumstances. And it had a unique property: it had an absolutely flat torque curve -- it prodiced the same torque (about 425 ft lb. i think) at all RPMs. There is some sort of maximum based on max flow rate or something. I know because I reserached it and used this characteristic in a lot of lectures I gave in the last few years on optimization of engineering systems -- nothing like an example to get the average students attention, and Corvette tend to do that.

Anyway, the facts as I understood them were that: a) it was a research project, widely discussed published, I doubt anyone would get fired for that, b) the one I saw was two feet taller than any production engine (the valve actuators are B I G, and they tend to get hot at high RPM, and they have short lives, c) and they have the same problem that Mercedes had years ago with the desmodromic valves on the 300 Sl years ago -- closing bounce and etc., which the computer can control, but the limitations it sets above about 4,500 are rather severe and expensive.

Net, net, is I doubt that this is serious. No doubt G.M. has this engine -- like I said I've seen one version of camless technology and I track the tehcnical journal publications, and its not a secret in the technical community. But I doubt it is ready for prime time anytime soon. I'd bet on the G.M. variable compression ratio technology, and vairable value timing, first. They have that running (okay, so its in a Saab, at least its on the street now) first. The camless engine has not made it out of the stationary test stand, yet.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Rhino21149)
 

Hi all,
I don't know about this technical mumbo-jumbo, but my neighbor is a manager at a local Chevy dealership and told me that the C6 will be close to 500 HP and about $70,000. I guess they are competing with the Viper. All info sounds liike a lot of rumor. Maybe it's a smoke-cloud for the real deal.....anti-gravity generators from alien technology :eek:

Steve

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Cool :cool:

With all the news of faster high performance 450-500+ hp sports cars and sedans coming out in the next few years, its with quiet optimism to read that GM will stay in the forefront of high performance based on this info/speculation. :)

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (TexasRedY2K)
 

Corvetteforum member Mervz wrote that article. Who are his sources? If they have been fired, they obviously would by happy to talk about what they know now. Interesting reading though.

El Duderino

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

There was a big write-up on this in an article I read in GM High Performance Magazine. I don't remember the month, seems like 6 months ago or more. But they did cover these electronically controlled actuators (sp) on a new camless engine.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (ScreaminDemon)
 

...Thanks for the info... :yesnod: ... I think I'll stay with my old push rod sled.... :lol:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (evil-1)
 

Sounds cool...

:seeya

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Ryan2002C5)
 

And when this turns out to be blatently false, do us a favor and slap your manager neighbor in the face. Then maybe he will slap the chap that told him this BS... and so on :)

There are starterless engines that have already been developed. They inject fuel into the clyinder that is in the position to fire, then ignite the spark plug; then do the same to the next clyinder that is in line to fire. The biggest problem was with cold engines in northern climates. They needed to be pre-warmed before starting. Don't expect to see this in a production vehicle soon !!!


[Modified by Mike Mercury, 10:35 AM 8/8/2002]

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Mike Mercury)
 

Great Article! :cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Another advantage of a 42volt system is that you can now power electronic brakes. No more master cylinder or brake lines. :hat

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

I sure hope that most of what's in the article actually shows up on the C6 since I plan on buying one as a retirement gift to myself!

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (QUIKAG)
 

http://www.corvetteforum.cc/zeroimg/...withstupid.gif :D

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (inblue2002)
 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Mike Mercury)
 

I agree on the B-slap! GM's not gonna take the Corvette from 35,000 annual production down to 5000, which is what would happen (at best) if they raised the price that much.

Question about starterless motors--how do you develop compression? If I squirt some gas into the cylinder that happens to be near TDC, what's gonna generate the needed compression? For that matter, how is the fuel going to atomize when there's no airflow? I don't understand..... I'm no engineer, though.


:crazy:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Duck916)
 

from what I have read, the gas is shot into the cylinder (that's in the proper position) under high pressure; enough pressure to allow the mixture to ignite with a spark. I never think it will make it past the breadboard stage.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Mike Mercury)
 

If they break out the wire wrap tools. Look out! :lol: j/k

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Forget all the techno speak. 300 to 500 pounds less is something to celebrate. Think of the performance gains in a C5 that weighs in at 2750 lbs with the current LS1 350 HP motor. That alone is worth the price of admission.

Tom
USAF Retired

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (OCMike)
 

Renault introduced air pressure actuated valves on their formula one engines over 10 years ago. The technology is there.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (kewlbrz)
 

THIS JUST IN: The wise and well-informed sales manager at my Chevrolet dealership says the C6 will be powered by a newly-developed quintuple-cam STEAM ENGINE with heavy-duty durculators!

:lol:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (brewtoo)
 

If there wasn't a cam, would there be any reason not to have 32 or 40 valves?

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (QUIKAG)
 

WOW...I feel like I am in the same position now.....Julie and I have a custom engagement ring being made right now and whew....I am just thinking about all the performance parts I could have bought for the same money.

Now as for the article. If GM is even close to producing what the article is revealing....I better start saving for a C6 to accompany my Vert in the garage. :yesnod:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (QUIKAG)
 

WOW...I feel like I am in the same position now.....Julie and I have a custom engagement ring being made right now and whew....I am just thinking about all the performance parts I could have bought for the same money.

Now as for the article. If GM is even close to producing what the article is revealing....I better start saving for a C6 to accompany my Vert in the garage. :yesnod: And BTW...the XLR chassis is hydroformed steel and not aluminum....so the weight on the C6 is going to have to be shaved somewhere else.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (batsallover)
 

really makes ya wanna :U when you compare go fast parts :yesnod: , to rocks... :eek:


[Modified by kewlbrz, 7:25 PM 8/8/2002]

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (kewlbrz)
 

Here's a website that discusses one of the trucks I saw run at Pikes Peak a few years ago. Not trying to validate the rumor as anyone can say "It's true, this truck has no cam." :lol:

http://www.sturmanindustries.com/html/press-ppihc.htm

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Superj)
 

Can't do anything with a rock, except look at it and throw it! Glad my women isn't into that useless waste of money made of materials of artificial scarcity no less! :smash:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

I guess the link has been "noticed" by somebody. It says the site has been suspended when I click on it.
Anyone have the article saved to their computer?? Care to foward it to me, if so?

Todd

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

Does anyone have a copy of this article? The website has been pulled...probably upset the General! If you have a copy could you either post it or email me a copy? Thanks :cheers:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (warpster)
 

http://www.corvetteforum.cc/zeroimg/...withstupid.gif Me too please :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (msuc5vette)
 

Actually, yeah, there would ber a very good reason. The valve actuation mechanisms are big, exzpensive, and a pain. You have to open, and you have to c l o s e the values electronically. It is difficult but not impossible to built solenoid actuators that do that, but no one, no one, can build practical systems that open a valve against a spring and fit under any type of hood -- they'd be two feet tall and use 500 amps!!

So, you have a clutter/space problem under the hood. Frankly, 16 of them would be a handful, but by putting the horizontal and using mechanisms and etc. to actuate the values you could do it. But GM won;'t, believe me. As a programmable test bed that permits them to test any can profile instantly by just reprogramming, the canless engine they have is a great R&D/design tool. As a production concept. Forget it.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

GM GOD KILLS LINK!!

MUST MAKE SACRIFICE!!

ANYBODY GOT ONE OF THOSE FATBUTT LEXUS HARDTOP CONVERTIBLE THINGS WE CAN PUSH OVER A CLIFF?

:crazy:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (NewVetteLover)
 

https://www.corvetteforum.com/images/greenwood1.jpg

http://www.racerworx.com/Corvette/greenwood_rear_s.jpg

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (brewtoo)
 

Within 10 years electro-hydraulic or electro-mechanical will be the norm. Infinitely adjustable, and light weight components.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (C5GREENWOOD)
 

:spam :spam :spam :spam :spam

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (C5GREENWOOD)
 

I think that's the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life...

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless'
 

C5GREENWOOD--nice, tacky, blatant spam-attack there...:rolleyes:
Damn...didn't even bother to ACT like you were contributing to the thread...just plastered pics of your product in it.
:rolleyes: :spam :nono:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Blackjetvette97)
 

$70K for the C6, :bs I don't think so. Sounds like another "well informed" Chevy salesman to me. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (Steve02C5)
 

It seems to me that anyone really trying to predict what the C6 will be like would first look at what GM has done every time in the past when they brought out a new generation of 'vette.

Their goal is to sell cars, that's what they care about, and a new generation of vette will sell well a ll by itself, without mass HP or technology.

Based on that, I'd guess 375 - 385 HP and not a lot of new, new technoology when the C6 is introfduced. Given that competition is intense (Cobra) they might see their way to just use the LS6 in every 'vette, but nothing more, I'm confident.

As for the suspension and frame, you can read all about it in articles about the cadillac XLR -- it has the basic C6 frame and suspension so we know that that will be evolutionary, not revolutionary. (And by the way, the XLR is a good example of this BS with rumors. Remember all the hype about a supercharged 400 HP Northstar). And here it is now coming to dealers with a mere normal, slightly hotted up 330 HP

Remeber, The C5 had a 15 HP increase or the LT4 in the last C4. The '84 C4 bumped up the HP about 30 or 40 or so over the '82, again not staggering, and, if I remember right, when introduced in '68 the C3 had a slight displacement and power increase over the last C2 (I remember going to the dealer on the first day and if I remember right that is when the 'vette went to 350 cid from 327 and had about proportionally more HP).

It is several years into a generation that GM will bring on technology and HP to keep sales up. Look at the LS engine. I am certain GM knew from the day it was designed that it could produce 405HP in LS6 trim (and probably more, for that matter), but 345 and the original LS1 was enough, then the improvements come later . .

It'll be the same with the C6. With a price right where it is today, $40 - $50k. No $70k targets. This is all about marketing.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (brewtoo)
 

The web site has been suspended. Did anyone save a copy of the site and are willing to post it or email it. Thanks.

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (2000Firehawk)
 

link isn't working??????

Re: 14 fired at GM for leaking info about the new LS2 'camless' 500HP engine..... (sandyg)
 

Try this site.
http://www.gm-cars.com/ART_C6scoop.shtml

Bob