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Z06 rims on it.
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As posted in Z06 section
Nice post and it looks like a Blade Silver or an AW - cool - it also appears to have that ground effect side skirt jog in it like the C7 Z06 - my money is on a vert, notice how the window area in the back is not like a coupe |
Looks like a Z06 convertible.
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Yep, it does look like a Z06 vert from the picture. If it is, that will complete the circle of everyone being able to go direct to GM for their street supercar, rather than having tuners be their first stop. I guess the next logical step for the tuners, would be maybe a larger supercharger. Thing is though, most will likely be pretty stoked with the Z06 power. Fun times ahead for everyone. I might even consider a vert this time around if the Z06 is revealed next week.
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I think they should build a stripped down Corvette and call it a Chevette. It would be sweet.
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My vote
Originally Posted by lt4obsesses
(Post 1586599540)
My guess is, if anything, it's going to be the the C7 Grandsport, N/A LT1 with Z06 body panels, CCB brakes, Z07 option, and maybe an available 8 speed auto.
Or it will be a Z06 vert. One of these two. If they were going to go with an "entry' level, which I highly doubt, I don't think it would be the 5.3L. I would think that they may be looking to expand the line up of the TTV6, and I really don't see Corvette being a candidate just yet. |
Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
(Post 1586601901)
You are forgetting GM used to sell a lot of decontented Corvettes. The cheapest you used to be able to get was a 300 horse/327 or 350, roadster (cheaper than a coupe), with a 4 speed and a radio. You had no PW, PDLs or leather seats. There was a huge cost difference between that and an all out fire breathing big engine car. At the time they were the most common Corvettes as most people couldn't afford the performance versions. Fully optioned or high performance cars from that era were rare and that is one of the reasons they bring big money at the auctions. With GM trying to bring in a newer younger Customer base for the Vette they have to have something at a good price point that beats whatever else might be on the market. That means something that is attractive to the young college graduate, has a performance level higher than cars in the same price range and can be afforded on a beginning salary.
Bill |
You are overlooking the fact that most young people are very trendy. Older means wiser so old folk spot the C7 immediately as an unbelievably beautiful and hot car; ... it's an auto home run!. For the money the C7 is absolutely incredible! Just give the young folks a chance to warm up to it. Once they get there socks beat off over and over at the autocross track they will drive the price of the C7 out of sight! Quit talking about them! Enjoy your C7! What they don't know is their problem!
Sam :thumbs: |
Originally Posted by DAFFYDRUNK
(Post 1586626803)
I think they should build a stripped down Corvette and call it a Chevette. It would be sweet.
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Originally Posted by jschindler
(Post 1586627559)
Bill, you bring up a good point. I have noticed that in the "delivery" pictures posted on the forum that the average age appears to be in their 60s (not being critical, I'm in my 60s). Many people said the C7 would be styled to appeal to a younger audience. While the car is successful so far, it's not bringing in that demographic.
http://rickdebruhl.com/wp-content/up...be-300x164.jpg |
Originally Posted by larryfdx
(Post 1586626442)
My thinking is that if they were going to introduce the C7 "Grandsport" they would be rolling out a coupe for the first showing, which this doesn't appear to be. As far as an 'entry level'? No way. Just not gonna happen. The base 1LT is as low as it's ever gonna get. Yes, they want to attract the younger buyers, but they're not going to shoot themselves in the foot by alienating their current buyers to do this, and with a "low rent" Corvette they run a huge risk of doing just that. Part of this 'younger buyer' philosophy is also to attract many of these 25-40 year olds to Chevrolet. It might not be a Corvette for them right now, but the allure of the car will make many take a closer look at other Chevrolet products, that might fit their budget and/or lifestyle. The SS, Impala, Camaro, even some of the lower models like the Cruze and the Spark. Waht the C7 is doing is making it cool to own a Chevy again. These youngsters may not be able to own a Vette today, but they'll start working to get one tomorrow. That's my take on their marketing plan. They didn't build this Corvette just for the sake of selling Corvettes. They built this Corvette to sell Chevrolet, period. |
If there really be an entry level Vette, will that reduce C6 prices?
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I'd buy a C7 with a 5.3L V8 motor if GM lowered the base price by around $6000. I really believe the cars would sell much quicker at that pricing.
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Originally Posted by larryfdx
(Post 1586626442)
Originally Posted by Balthazar_B
(Post 1586628443)
To appeal to anybody under 35, the Corvette would need to look like this:
http://rickdebruhl.com/wp-content/up...be-300x164.jpg
Originally Posted by Jontall
(Post 1586629279)
I'd buy a C7 with a 5.3L V8 motor if GM lowered the base price by around $6000. I really believe the cars would sell much quicker at that pricing.
I would buy a C7 in a heartbeat if they offered a decontented stripper model with basic, manual seats and a bolted-in roof panel... that would be the ideal basis for a performance build and would be the truest sports car Chevy has made in years |
An "entry level" would dilute the brand.....I wouldn't wanna be seen in it and I'm sure that holds true for a lot of others.
My money is on a Z06 Convertible and, a Grand Sport of some sort. |
Originally Posted by Houston Z33
(Post 1586629741)
An "entry level" would dilute the brand.....I wouldn't wanna be seen in it and I'm sure that holds true for a lot of others.
My money is on a Z06 Convertible and, a Grand Sport of some sort. If anything, I could see them doing a stripped model down the line, but one that compares to the Z06 as the Z28 does to the ZL1... meaning a stripper with some serious racing hardware and the price to match |
Originally Posted by FLYNLO
(Post 1586599375)
Nope!! I know many of y'all think GM is stupid but they have already tried this and it didn't work. The FRC C5! The economies of scale just aren't there to merit doing this and the FRC proved it. They had to come out with the ZO6 to save the FRC. Anyway...gonna be interesting either way.
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Originally Posted by RetiredSFC 97
(Post 1586632929)
What type of crack are you smoking? Holy ****!!
This new car is clearly a Z06 convertible. |
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Originally Posted by Balthazar_B
(Post 1586628443)
To appeal to anybody under 35, the Corvette would need to look like this:
http://rickdebruhl.com/wp-content/up...be-300x164.jpg |
Originally Posted by Balthazar_B
(Post 1586628443)
To appeal to anybody under 35, the Corvette would need to look like this:
http://rickdebruhl.com/wp-content/up...be-300x164.jpg |
Originally Posted by RetiredSFC 97
(Post 1586632929)
What type of crack are you smoking? Holy ****!!
FLYNLO is correct. The FRC sold 4,000 copies in 1999 compared to 29,000+ regular coupes and 'verts, and in 2000 that number dropped like a brick to just over 2,000. That is a flop in any sane man's mind! The Z06 sales pulled that number up to almost 5,800 in 2001 and 8,300 the following year. :thumbs: |
The news is out.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-z...-released.html |
Originally Posted by jackhall99
(Post 1586635067)
So you failed Marketing 101 in school huh? :rofl: :D
FLYNLO is correct. The FRC sold 4,000 copies in 1999 compared to 29,000+ regular coupes and 'verts, and in 2000 that number dropped like a brick to just over 2,000. That is a flop in any sane man's mind! The Z06 sales pulled that number up to almost 5,800 in 2001 and 8,300 the following year. :thumbs: |
Originally Posted by JoesC5
(Post 1586636121)
And when they took that loser and made a Z06 out of it and jacked the price way, way up, it sold like hot cakes.
Yes, the price increased $7,600,but the buyer got a different car. They got more power, lightweight exhaust, wider wheels, different tires, different suspension, etc. In other words, the buyer got a better performing car and did not mind paying additional for the improvements. |
Originally Posted by simplegto
(Post 1586635221)
The news is out.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-z...-released.html |
I wonder if GM had reversed the releases of the C5 Z06 and the FRC, if the outcome would have been different. Say, they came out with the fix roof Z06, higher performance, higher price, fixed roof, then came out with the FRC, at the coupe price point fully optioned or a little less as the 'stripped out' version as it was first released.
I would say they would have sold quite a few more FRC's, as they did with the Grand Sports for the C6. I think this is where they learned there lesson. They probably will come out with a Grand Sport version of the C7, but definitely not a cheaper version. |
Originally Posted by lt4obsesses
(Post 1586636844)
I wonder if GM had reversed the releases of the C5 Z06 and the FRC, if the outcome would have been different. Say, they came out with the fix roof Z06, higher performance, higher price, fixed roof, then came out with the FRC, at the coupe price point fully optioned or a little less as the 'stripped out' version as it was first released.
I would say they would have sold quite a few more FRC's, as they did with the Grand Sports for the C6. I think this is where they learned there lesson. They probably will come out with a Grand Sport version of the C7, but definitely not a cheaper version. |
What the C5 FRC showed is that there is NOT some big pile of money that can be saved by de-contenting a Corvette. The FRC was $400 less than the coupe, if I remember correctly. The numbers posted show what a sales disappointment (by Corvette standards) the FRC was.
Jimmy |
Originally Posted by jackhall99
(Post 1586636674)
Wow, where did that apparent dig at GM and/or Z06 buyers come from? :crazy2:
Yes, the price increased $7,600,but the buyer got a different car. They got more power, lightweight exhaust, wider wheels, different tires, different suspension, etc. In other words, the buyer got a better performing car and did not mind paying additional for the improvements. Dig at GM? I suppose so, as their high priced suits in their marketing department are supposed to know what people want, and they didn't want an el cheapo version of the Corvette, but wanted a high performance version, even at $7,600+ more. Notice that with the C6, GM skipped over a el cheapo version and went straight to a high performance version(Z06) for some $20,000+ premium to get one the very next year. Oh, and the GS was a high performance version as it replaced the previous Z51 but added even higher performance items such as the Z06's brakes, wheels/tires, and the dry sump system on the manual transmission coupe. It was not an el cheapo version. They made a new model, and jacked the price up over the base C6, and it sold like hot cakes. And to top it all off, GM did not make a el cheapo C6 convertible, but made a high performance version called the 427 Convertible, that also sold like hot cakes, at a premium price. I sort of believe that most Corvette buyers are not looking for a el cheapo version. |
Originally Posted by JoesC5
(Post 1586655396)
I sort of believe that most Corvette buyers are not looking for a el cheapo version.
I think the only Corvette buyer who is looking "el cheapo" Corvette is the buyer who can't afford one. |
Originally Posted by jimmyb
(Post 1586655286)
What the C5 FRC showed is that there is NOT some big pile of money that can be saved by de-contenting a Corvette. The FRC was $400 less than the coupe, if I remember correctly. The numbers posted show what a sales disappointment (by Corvette standards) the FRC was.
Jimmy |
Originally Posted by JoesC5
(Post 1586655396)
No dig at the Z06 buyers Jack. ....
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Originally Posted by jackhall99
(Post 1586655944)
:thumbs: I misunderstood your comments. Sorry. :cheers:
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Originally Posted by DCPX
(Post 1586656045)
They already had an entry level Corvette. It was the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice.
At $25,000, GM wasn't making any money on them, so they were easy for GM to dump. At $35,000, they would have made some money but they would have not sold as they wouldn't have been competitive with the Miata, pricewise. At the time, the Sky/Solstice DE plant was the most modern/efficient plant that GM had, so no room to lower the manufacturing costs for the two cars, so GM could make a profit. |
Originally Posted by JoesC5
(Post 1586656152)
They were aimed at an entirely different market. The Miata market. They sold around 30,000 in 2007(before the economy crashed) but built around 40,000 of them that year.
At $25,000, GM wasn't making any money on them, so they were easy for GM to dump. At $35,000, they would have made some money but they would have not sold as they wouldn't have been competitive with the Miata, pricewise. At the time, the Sky/Solstice DE plant was the most modern/efficient plant that GM had, so no room to lower the manufacturing costs for the two cars, so GM could make a profit. :toetap: |
Originally Posted by fsvoboda
(Post 1586656206)
And they had been cleverly designed with no trunk space and a convertible top that was nowhere near as easy to operate as a Miata's . . . .
:toetap: And don't forget the Solstice/Sky twins weighed 400 pounds more than the Miata. It's one thing to try to make a new niche, it's another when the target is RIGHT in front of you (Miata) and miss that badly. The Solstice/Sky/Opel were GREAT show cars, sadly, they show what happens when the designers win all the battles verses the engineers (say, like, the Fisker Karma...beautiful but mythically flawed as an actual CAR). Jimmy |
Originally Posted by jimmyb
(Post 1586656257)
And then there's that.....
And don't forget the Solstice/Sky twins weighed 400 pounds more than the Miata. It's one thing to try to make a new niche, it's another when the target is RIGHT in front of you (Miata) and miss that badly. The Solstice/Sky/Opel were GREAT show cars, sadly, they show what happens when the designers win all the battles verses the engineers (say, like, the Fisker Karma...beautiful but mythically flawed as an actual CAR). Jimmy You can literally bolt an LS2 in a Solstice and the rest of the drivetrain will hold it, and the chassis was engineered the same way, leaving plenty of headroom for the turbo variants and modifications |
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