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Skunkworks 12-23-2013 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo-Geist (Post 1585714054)
Also, meth has a lower specific gravity than water, so in a 60/40 mix, how do you know it is always injecting a true 60/40 mix?

LOL another pointless thread with loads of bad info… How about you stick a straw into a bottle of whiskey, vodka, beer or your favorite poison and suck the alcohol out while leaving water… It’s “miscible” or a “homogeneous” mixture.

Now back to your regular scheduled programming. :leaving:

joshtownsend 12-23-2013 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Envied_Z (Post 1585742985)
I dont know about everyone else on here but I'm in the process of building a 427 with an F2 procharger and I'm planning on running port meth injection...100%

hahah Going to be a fail.. 100% guarantee it.. been there, done that.. but have at it.. When you start selling parts off because is don't run any faster then what you have right now.. let me know. i like parts for 75% of list

danieloneil01 12-24-2013 12:26 AM

To the fellers who spray water or a mixture preblower. Will the water do any damage to it with prolonged use? Yes, I'm asking you ECS. :)

LTstewy8 12-24-2013 02:25 AM

I wish this thread would end. So many terrible things happened here.

stevieturbo 12-24-2013 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by danieloneil01 (Post 1585747739)
To the fellers who spray water or a mixture preblower. Will the water do any damage to it with prolonged use? Yes, I'm asking you ECS. :)

The only time damage might occur, is if the mixture is not a fine atomised spray.

danieloneil01 12-24-2013 04:59 AM

Like a stream per say hitting the impeller and not a mist?

Envied_Z 12-24-2013 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by joshtownsend (Post 1585747034)

hahah Going to be a fail.. 100% guarantee it.. been there, done that.. but have at it.. When you start selling parts off because is don't run any faster then what you have right now.. let me know. i like parts for 75% of list

100% guarantee it huh?

And why is that? Please educate me.

joshtownsend 12-24-2013 10:54 AM

your either struggle to make 1000 hp or you will fight issue after issue and still barely make it.. same can be done with a simple 346 and D1.. or F1a.. with a way bigger bank account.

My experiences means nothing though.. bought to you by Carl's Jr.

danieloneil01 12-24-2013 12:52 PM

brought :)

stevieturbo 12-24-2013 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by danieloneil01 (Post 1585748289)
Like a stream per say hitting the impeller and not a mist?

It MUST be a fine atomised spray or mist.

Large droplets can lead to impeller damage over time.

Envied_Z 12-24-2013 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by joshtownsend (Post 1585749930)
your either struggle to make 1000 hp or you will fight issue after issue and still barely make it.. same can be done with a simple 346 and D1.. or F1a.. with a way bigger bank account.

My experiences means nothing though.. bought to you by Carl's Jr.

A 427 running 9:1 compression with a F2 I'm gonna struggle to make 1000 hp? Lol ok...

If you take the area of one or two nozzles (what ever you would run before the throttle body) and divide that into 8 injectors please tell me how that is any different? It just gives you the peace of mind that every cylinder is getting an equal amount

If port injection is worse how come cars come with fuel injection and not carburetor?

How come the big hp nitrous guys run fogger systems instead of a plate or one nozzle?

stevieturbo 12-24-2013 04:43 PM

I'd like to think an F2 could do 1k on pump alone ?

And you are of course correct, port injection would be superior in almost every respect...

The only one slight negative, might be some people like to place the nozzles further away from the valves to give the methanol time to cool the charge. How important that actually is, I dont know.

Plus with port injection, it might be harder to get a reading from an air temp sensor, as it too would need mounted very close to the intake valve.

But any liquid injected would still do it's job in the chamber, and in equal doses.

Aquamist actually make some great nozzles for port injection. Either with a built in check valve, or without designed for use with their fast acting valve ( ie solenoid controls fluid flow, rather than relying on pump speed which is far less accurate )

joshtownsend 12-24-2013 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Envied_Z (Post 1585752397)
A 427 running 9:1 compression with a F2 I'm gonna struggle to make 1000 hp? Lol ok...

If you take the area of one or two nozzles (what ever you would run before the throttle body) and divide that into 8 injectors please tell me how that is any different? It just gives you the peace of mind that every cylinder is getting an equal amount

If port injection is worse how come cars come with fuel injection and not carburetor?

How come the big hp nitrous guys run fogger systems instead of a plate or one nozzle?

haha no problem what so ever.. please tell me you will run me for some money.., >$1000 with that "9.1 cr F2".. hahaha

You need to get off the internet and get in the shop before you waste any more money.. that setup is going to be a turd and a half.. I have have some doubt you would make over 1000...and if you do... Its going feel so slow for so long... then it takes off like a rocket.... problem is.. once it does.. the race is already over for everyone else because they would be finished.. that setup with the "one pulley" 4 inch that they make for the f2 and corvettes, if your doing cog drive, will make around 26-28psi.... my d1 makes 23... Can you justify an extra $15k and being slower?


fyi..i could care less about the fogger kit too.. its really not going to matter and probably pool up in the intake anyways.. Its need time to atomize sp? before doing anything...

joshtownsend 12-24-2013 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by stevieturbo (Post 1585752492)
I'd like to think an F2 could do 1k on pump alone ?

Steve, you would be surprised on how hard you have to work to get the F2 to make 1000.. its really way to big and requires alot of power just the turn it.. something in the range of 400-500.. That is why a smaller blower works so much better.. in the real world.. unless its a all out drag car and then its a different story.

danieloneil01 12-24-2013 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by stevieturbo (Post 1585751875)
It MUST be a fine atomised spray or mist.

Large droplets can lead to impeller damage over time.

Well, I have a 5gph nozzle so I'm pretty sure it'll be a mist with the OMG THE GREATEST OF ALL METH INJECTION KITS, ALKY!!!!!!!!!

danieloneil01 12-24-2013 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by stevieturbo (Post 1585752492)
I'd like to think an F2 could do 1k on pump alone ?


You need turbos.

danieloneil01 12-24-2013 09:31 PM

Couldn't care less

a/c man 12-24-2013 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by joshtownsend (Post 1585753857)
Steve, you would be surprised on how hard you have to work to get the F2 to make 1000.. its really way to big and requires alot of power just the turn it.. something in the range of 400-500.. That is why a smaller blower works so much better.. in the real world.. unless its a all out drag car and then its a different story.

:iagree: These Lil 347s with a YSI or T-Trim or D1 Making 800-1000 running low 9s are awesome! Big cubes are for bragging rights :flag:

p1bz 12-25-2013 02:10 PM

I spray an M3 pre blower, windshield washer fluid. If I were to do a direct port, I would get a ProProducts intake, and plumb it into the flat ends of the intake, that way is sprays directly down the intake tract. I would also use two pumps, one for each bank. I've been contemplating doing this. I spray 0degree windshield washer fluid.

p1bz 12-25-2013 02:12 PM

Stroker motors aren't worth the hassle in a light, effiecient corvette. A 750whp setup with 1000-1200 more useable rpm will run and hide from a 1000whp stoker that is rpm limited.


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