Originally Posted by RoadkingC6 (Post 1585370836)

:iagree:

Originally Posted by JJC5 (Post 1585297423)

This thread is a perfect example of no matter how well GM steps up to the plate, it's never good enough for some people. The OP seems fine with it. Mistakes happen and will always happen and in this case, it's being taken care of.

Originally Posted by RoadkingC6 (Post 1585370836)

:iagree:

Originally Posted by lottavettes (Post 1585370919)

:iagree: :cheers:

Could you imagine the people who have to live or work with these anals.

Originally Posted by JJC5 (Post 1585297423)

This thread is a perfect example of no matter how well GM steps up to the plate, it's never good enough for some people. The OP seems fine with it. Mistakes happen and will always happen and in this case, it's being taken care of.

Originally Posted by jagamajajaran (Post 1585372886)

Friends, while I am not certain what they are doing to my C7, my request was that I wanted all new body panels and not a repaint. I don't want any evidence of a repaint and I don't think it will come back to me in a way that would be disappointing to me. As I have said before, management has taken this situation quite seriously and I know that this has helped them identity for correction the QC problems that contributed to my car being delivered with the issues it had. I was told to expect my car back in two to three weeks...I'm halfway there! :thumbs:

Originally Posted by jagamajajaran (Post 1585372886)

Friends, while I am not certain what they are doing to my C7, my request was that I wanted all new body panels and not a repaint. I don't want any evidence of a repaint and I don't think it will come back to me in a way that would be disappointing to me. As I have said before, management has taken this situation quite seriously and I know that this has helped them identity for correction the QC problems that contributed to my car being delivered with the issues it had. I was told to expect my car back in two to three weeks...I'm halfway there! :thumbs:

Originally Posted by r&l's c6 (Post 1585374270)

almost finished.....:d

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Originally Posted by R&L's C6 (Post 1585374270)

Almost finished.....:D

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Originally Posted by c6miller (Post 1585375376)

My 2010 GS vert was sent back to BG because the trunk and deck lids were cockeyed. Took about 3 weeks and when I got it back it was only slightly better with some additional scratches. GM exchanged it for a 2012 GS for a very minimal cost and I was happy. I'm sure they will make it right for you. I'm going wait for BG to iron out any C7 issues before I order one.

Originally Posted by b4i4getit (Post 1585375520)

I guess there is something to be said for buying a car right off the lot instead of ordering. When you order you get what you get. When you buy off the lot you can inspect it for fit and finish before purchase.

Originally Posted by Chevy Cust Svc (Post 1585374197)

Hey Jag,

You are getting there! Half way is nothing, she will be home soon! :)

Kelly J.
Chevrolet Customer Care

Originally Posted by cor08vette (Post 1585370977)

Couldn't disagree more.

Stepping up to the plate would mean that before leaving QC at the factory, that these obvious paint flaws are detected and corrected.

No buyer should get their car, get home and then discover such pathetic substandard quality in their paint.

Maybe you think we should just eliminate the entire quality control factor, have BG ship out the cars for delivery, and then the owners can just go to their dealership and get all the overlooked issues fixed?

Well, at least GM would be fixing their mistake, and the inconvenience to the owner, who just spent $60,000+, tough, deal with it! No owner should have to load their C7 on a trailer to go back to the factory to fix paint that should have never been passed in the first place!

Sorry, but these paint issue are blatant and obvious, and there's just NO excuse that they weren't detected by "quality control," before being passed :nono: What are these people being paid for?


Spray it, and send it doesn't work, and owners should demand more :yesnod:

It's not that we don't appreciate GM stepping up to the plate, the bottom line is, they shouldn't have to if the problem was detected when and where it should have been, and that's in BG and not the owners garage.

Stop giving GM a feather in their cap for fixing issues after the fact. I'd rather give them a full headdress for getting it right the first time.

Remember, if like some of you, we let GM off the hook and applaud their actions after the problems, we will continue to get a substandard product. They need to be confronted, and make those in QC earn their salary, period!

Originally Posted by fasttoys (Post 1585376415)

You can do the same if ordering, deposits are refundable, I just think many people are so excited they don't look the cars over. :willy:

Originally Posted by jagamajajaran (Post 1585352757)

Thanks for the post. I imagine Corvette plant management agrees that my Corvette never should have made it out of the plant as it was. That said, the issues that I discovered were not so blatantly obvious that a blind man could have seen them. Most of the issues were only discovered under the right lighting conditions. As a matter of fact, when I picked the car up in Virginia, it was a cloudy and rainy day. The car was in the detail shop when I first saw it. I inspected it the best I could and none of the issues jumped out at me at that point. To make matters worse, the entire weekend was cloudy and rainy, so inspecting the car under direct sunlight wasn't even possible until I was back in Oklahoma. This is when the issue became more obvious to me. I consider myself to be quite anal when it comes to fit and finish, so it was a surprise to me when I took it to my local dealership and the service manager found additional issues that I had yet to discover. Yellow is a color that hides defects from casual observance where a darker color would have exposed the problems right away. So, do I give a pass to the Corvette plant for the problems? Not at all...and neither do they. But do I understand how the car made it out of the factory in the condition that it did? Yes, I actually do. And again, it's not something that management ever wants to happen. :cheers:

Originally Posted by R&L's C6 (Post 1585374270)

Almost finished.....:D

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Originally Posted by Rob 99 (Post 1585350673)

:iagree:
i guess the paint dept didn't get a large share of the $131 Million upgrade money. :crazy2:

Originally Posted by b4i4getit (Post 1585375520)

I guess there is something to be said for buying a car right off the lot instead of ordering. When you order you get what you get. When you buy off the lot you can inspect it for fit and finish before purchase.

Originally Posted by JimNeedsC7 (Post 1585378001)

Wow - I am impressed with how easy Corvette owners are - planning strategies to get a $70k car that does not look like it was built in someone's garage when they were drunk. I bought my Toyota truck when it was in another city and I could not inspect it. It never occurred to me that I would need to do a quality audit before signing the papers! It was perfect BTW, even though it cost about $20k less than the C7 I would like to own. I guess I may have owned too many Asian vehicles to ever accept the way American cars are assembled - and that is too bad because I think the C7 is a brilliant design.

Originally Posted by Michael A (Post 1585380080)

Jim, not all of us Corvette owners are easy. My checkbook is still waiting for them to build a quality car. Based on what I saw at the SEMA show, it is going to be a while. I can't remember a car with such poor body fit. Nothing fit right. I even had to go out and look at my C5 when I got home to confirm they weren't all built that poorly. Nope. The C5 gaps, while not as tight as today's non-GM cars, were very straight. Everything was lined up. The C5 paint also had much less orange peel.

They have a ways to go.

Michael

Originally Posted by JimNeedsC7 (Post 1585378001)

Wow - I am impressed with how easy Corvette owners are - planning strategies to get a $70k car that does not look like it was built in someone's garage when they were drunk. I bought my Toyota truck when it was in another city and I could not inspect it. It never occurred to me that I would need to do a quality audit before signing the papers! It was perfect BTW, even though it cost about $20k less than the C7 I would like to own. I guess I may have owned too many Asian vehicles to ever accept the way American cars are assembled - and that is too bad because I think the C7 is a brilliant design.

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585380206)

:iagree:I sold my C6 yesterday in anticipation of the C7 but based on what I've seen on the last few weeks, I'm not so thrilled about the sale. In comparison, my C6 was (is) as perfect as any Vette I've ever seen. I'm heading over to SEMA today and based on what you've said here, I guess I'm going to be disappointed. Although the new design is certainly an advance, it's mind-boggling that they would actually take a step BACKWARDS in quality. WTF??:eek:

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585380915)

Not all C7's have problems, two days ago i visited a local dealer and looked at a Yellow 3LT non Z51, I took a lot of time going around and around the car. The panel fit was excellent and the paint had less orange peel than the BMW's a I saw at a recent auto show. This doesn't mean the C7's with problems are acceptable, they are not, but I believe some of this is getting over hyped by a few people who would like to see the C7 taken down a notch or two.

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585380287)

Yes Jim, Asian cars never ever have problems...:lol:

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585380915)

Not all C7's have problems, two days ago i visited a local dealer and looked at a Yellow 3LT non Z51, I took a lot of time going around and around the car. The panel fit was excellent and the paint had less orange peel than the BMW's a I saw at a recent auto show. This doesn't mean the C7's with problems are acceptable, they are not, but I believe some of this is getting over hyped by a few people who would like to see the C7 taken down a notch or two.

Originally Posted by BERETTA (Post 1585383362)

Our club went through the plant this past Wednesday, I watched carefully how meticulous the workers were at checking door fit and measuring gaps etc. everything looked very good to me.
We then went to the museum and looked at 8 C7's on the floor in several colors, they all looked flawless to me. I bent down and looked close at the rear, the sides and front ends. Everything looked very good on these cars with very little orange peel, and the fit and finish was excellent!
Maybe the initial problems are over, I would have been proud to take any of those cars home. :cheers:

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585383471)

I certainly hope you're right. I take no pleasure in posting pictures like the ones above, but the silver convertible is actually a car that GM brought to the show....you would think, at this point, they could have got THAT car right, no?

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585380915)

Not all C7's have problems, two days ago i visited a local dealer and looked at a Yellow 3LT non Z51, I took a lot of time going around and around the car. The panel fit was excellent and the paint had less orange peel than the BMW's a I saw at a recent auto show. This doesn't mean the C7's with problems are acceptable, they are not, but I believe some of this is getting over hyped by a few people who would like to see the C7 taken down a notch or two.

Originally Posted by Michael A (Post 1585385758)

I have no reason to take the car down a notch. I would love nothing more to see the car be built to the highest standards, and brag about it. I have some pictures I'll try to post, and you guys can decide. What I saw were gaps at the back of the hatch were wide on one side, and narrow on the other. Same thing with the Targa top to the body. The doors were inset at the bottom from the body. The right hand headlight had a gap at the bottom and stuck up, while the left one was fine. The bumper did not fit at the wheel wheel openings, and the list goes on.

I would think, if anything, the quality should be better than a 14 year old car.

Michael

Originally Posted by Reciprocal (Post 1585388124)

I disagree that GM ever operates on the principle of "making things right." What they do is stamp out fires (as in op's instance), or they cover up and act like they've never heard about your problem, or call it a "normal characteristic of the car" while handing it back to you. So yes, for the random occurrence of something that's obviously just broken or one-off paint flaw, they "do the right thing" and bask in the glow of positive feedback, but if the problem is widespread affecting many units, they "don't do the right thing."

Just ask the owners who have unresolved problems with valve guide failures on Z06, or harmonic balancers on C6, or defective carbon ceramic brake rotors on ZR1 (me). Each case gets reviewed by gm field reps agents with outcomes everything from complete replacement to claim denial, the outcome depending unfortunately on your persistence and tolerance for frustration before giving up. THAT instead of "doing the right thing," which would mean acknowledging and fixing the problem with integrity, for all affected owners.

The notion that GM chose this car, and this moment to turn over a new leaf is very naive. The idea that reporting defects is "taking it down a notch" is not the case, because by reputation they've never been "up a notch." It's the same old GM.

Originally Posted by jagamajajaran (Post 1585387932)

Michael, the doors being inset from the body at the bottom of the doors is actually by design. This thread explains this: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...alignment.html :thumbs:

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585388210)

Yeah, right, same old GM....:rolleyes:

http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/19/auto...-gm/index.html

Originally Posted by Reciprocal (Post 1585388124)

I disagree that GM ever operates on the principle of "making things right." What they do is stamp out fires (as in op's instance), or they cover up and act like they've never heard about your problem, or call it a "normal characteristic of the car" while handing it back to you. So yes, for the random occurrence of something that's obviously just broken or one-off paint flaw, they "do the right thing" and bask in the glow of positive feedback, but if the problem is widespread affecting many units, they "don't do the right thing."

Just ask the owners who have unresolved problems with valve guide failures on Z06, or harmonic balancers on C6, or defective carbon ceramic brake rotors on ZR1 (me). Each case gets reviewed by gm field reps agents with outcomes everything from complete replacement to claim denial, the outcome depending unfortunately on your persistence and tolerance for frustration before giving up. THAT instead of "doing the right thing," which would mean acknowledging and fixing the problem with integrity, for all affected owners.

The notion that GM chose this car, and this moment to turn over a new leaf is very naive. The idea that reporting defects is "taking it down a notch" is not the case, because by reputation they've never been "up a notch." It's the same old GM.

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585388296)

:iagree: GM will fix things if they have to, not because of integrity. Hopefully, the more we post pics and point out unacceptable issues, the more they will be forced to address them....but maybe even that is being naive.

Originally Posted by Michael A (Post 1585388385)

One of GMs stated goals was to attract younger import buyers. They certainly got the design right, but it's never going to happen if they don't get comparable quality. Those buyers are image conscious, and they are not going to show up with their new car with all the panels crooked, and orange peel paint.

Michael

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585388269)

Seriously? :lol::lol: Maybe JD Power needs to see the photos I posted above. Just because they have an overall high rating does not mean the problems with the Corvette....a specific car built in a specific plant......do not exist.

Maybe we should just ignore the problems and hang a print out of the JD Power survey in the window of the C7.

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585389502)

And while were at it, lets pretend every C7 has panel and paint problems and
blow the problem all out of proportion because, ya know, we didn't like the C7 in the first place.:willy:..:rofl:.:smash:.:crazy2:

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585390076)

I never said every C7 has panel and paint problems. I haven't seen every C7. I have however, examined 11 of them, and every one has issues that would prevent me from accepting the car as is.....issues that are unacceptable for a halo car at this price point. Issues that are unacceptable on any modern car.

I've been back and forth on my opinion of the C7, but I've grown to like it enough to have sold my C6, which I am regretting a bit at this moment. To simply dismiss these problems as sour grapes or some other such nonsense is an act of ignorance....or maybe just too much Coolade. Blind fanboyism is not going force GM to get their act together.

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585390198)

Oh, and it's koolaid not Coolaid.

Originally Posted by JimNeedsC7 (Post 1585390279)

Dude - do not attempt to have a rational discussion about Corvettes with DREAMERAK - I tried on another thread and it will not work. He just pops up in the middle of threads devoted to legitimate concerns about the current poor build quality of the C7 - shouts everyone down by making disparaging posts and furthers the stange POV that somehow it is fine to buy a $70k car that was poorly assembled.

Actually posters with that 'tude, along with all of the quality problems have saved me from buying a car which I seriously doubt I could ever have been happy with. I will keep my money in the bank and when another manufacturor comes along with a car that fires my imagination the way the C7 did I might get one. I just hope it is not a Porsche product, because DREAMERAK has busted a gut telling us what a POS they all are.

Oh, and an oldie but goodie from him while I was writing this post - DREAMERAK is now casting aspersions on other forum user's reading comprehension, even though he almost never seems to quite understand the actual subject material in any of the threads that I have interacted with him in.

I am completely over this lame forum and this lame automobile - no more posts from me to disturb the Koolaid drinking so prevalent here. So don't bother with a pithy repost Mr DREAMERAK - because I will never read it.

Originally Posted by JimNeedsC7 (Post 1585390279)

I am completely over this lame forum and this lame automobile - no more posts from me to disturb the Koolaid drinking so prevalent here. So don't bother with a pithy repost Mr DREAMERAK - because I will never read it.

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585388210)

Yeah, right, same old GM....:rolleyes:

http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/19/auto...-gm/index.html

Originally Posted by Michael A (Post 1585390508)

I wouldn't let one person or a few people sour your entire view of the forum or the car. As far as the forum goes, I have yet to see a car forum where you will get more answers on the car when you need them. Corvette people really dig into their cars. You will see that as more people get the car, and we get more posts about the car itself, and less about the styling, quality, etc. I use the forum ignore feature to prevent being bothered by the few people who make no sense and are always looking to argue invalid points. It makes the forum much more enjoyable.

As far as the car goes, I think the engineering and styling is incredible. There are few cars at any price that can match this car, and, frankly, I am not sure what I would buy if not the Corvette. I need to buy something fairly soon, though, so may have to get a different car in the interim, which doesn't thrill me. Clearly, GM has a lot of quality issues to work out to bring it back to the standards of even prior models. If they put their minds to it, they can get them fixed, but it will require some patience from potential buyers. Personally, I think they would do well to indicate that they are working on issues, just as they indicated they worked on engineering issues prior to the car being released.

Michael

Originally Posted by JimNeedsC7 (Post 1585390279)

Dude - do not attempt to have a rational discussion about Corvettes with DREAMERAK - I tried on another thread and it will not work. He just pops up in the middle of threads devoted to legitimate concerns about the current poor build quality of the C7 - shouts everyone down by making disparaging posts and furthers the stange POV that somehow it is fine to buy a $70k car that was poorly assembled.

Actually posters with that 'tude, along with all of the quality problems have saved me from buying a car which I seriously doubt I could ever have been happy with. I will keep my money in the bank and when another manufacturor comes along with a car that fires my imagination the way the C7 did I might get one. I just hope it is not a Porsche product, because DREAMERAK has busted a gut telling us what a POS they all are.

Oh, and an oldie but goodie from him while I was writing this post - DREAMERAK is now casting aspersions on other forum user's reading comprehension, even though he almost never seems to quite understand the actual subject material in any of the threads that I have interacted with him in.

I am completely over this lame forum and this lame automobile - no more posts from me to disturb the Koolaid drinking so prevalent here. So don't bother with a pithy repost Mr DREAMERAK - because I will never read it.

Originally Posted by Michael A (Post 1585390508)

I wouldn't let one person or a few people sour your entire view of the forum or the car. As far as the forum goes, I have yet to see a car forum where you will get more answers on the car when you need them. Corvette people really dig into their cars. You will see that as more people get the car, and we get more posts about the car itself, and less about the styling, quality, etc. I use the forum ignore feature to prevent being bothered by the few people who make no sense and are always looking to argue invalid points. It makes the forum much more enjoyable.

As far as the car goes, I think the engineering and styling is incredible. There are few cars at any price that can match this car, and, frankly, I am not sure what I would buy if not the Corvette. I need to buy something fairly soon, though, so may have to get a different car in the interim, which doesn't thrill me. Clearly, GM has a lot of quality issues to work out to bring it back to the standards of even prior models. If they put their minds to it, they can get them fixed, but it will require some patience from potential buyers. Personally, I think they would do well to indicate that they are working on issues, just as they indicated they worked on engineering issues prior to the car being released.

Michael

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585390339)

I guess you would know.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585390701)

Yes i do, but not for the reasons your inferring.

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585390784)

Shouldn't that "you're" Einstein?:lol::lol::lol:

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585390784)

Shouldn't that be "you're" Einstein?:lol::lol::lol:

Originally Posted by jagamajajaran (Post 1585390804)

Then you initially leave out the word "be!" :rofl: Can I have my thread back? :lol: :cheers:

(Then I saw that you went back and fixed it...but now the cat's out of the bag! :D)

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585390833)

Yes MR Hawking.:lol:

Originally Posted by ByByBMW (Post 1585390534)

Except that report came out in June. The C7 hadn't been released yet.
THIS forum is where I will get most of my information as to quality, fit and finish, GM response to issues etc. And so far, my decision to NOT buy the first MY has worked out to be a good decision on my part. But I am not going to say I am not going to buy a C7 at this point. I am willing to wait and see if GM will get this car right, and I hope it does because I love vettes and love the community. The Porsche community isn't nearly as fun as a corvette community.

So to the folks that are posting issues they have with the C7, keep up the reporting. Hold GM's feet to the fire. Let's get the car we want, the car GM needs to produce for the faithful.

Originally Posted by Garret (Post 1585370963)

I can already see where this is going. You will get the car back and the fender will not match the door or the hood or something. If you have ever been in the C6 section you will no doubt know what I'm talking about. It sounds like your car should have never even left the plant. Way to go BG inspectors....

I hope it all works out in a positive way for you the first time.

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585390968)

I agree with you, and GM must to do better, but can we at least acknowledge that many C7's are being delivered without problems? That would help to get an accurate picture of the true size of the problems. We need all the information, good and bad, including the cars the C7 is being compared to.

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585391053)

I certainly hope many C7's are being delivered without problems, but after looking closely at 11 cars, with every single one having issues, I wonder if many of the buyers may not be so critical of the panel fitments or orange peel as some of us on this forum. After closely looking at these fitments, I really think there are parts that do not fit well do to improper measurements, casting, or molding. These flaws are not simple adjustments....at least not from what I've seen. These cars remind me of the panel alignment on my '79 L-82. I would like nothing better to find out that the 11 cars I saw are an aberration. I also wish Elvis were still alive.

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585390906)

Not much of a cat. That was a typo...not an ignorant mistake...and at least I had the brains to fix it!! Take your (proper use of the word "your") thread back. You're (proper use of the word "you're) welcome to it.

BTW, I hope your car comes back in perfect condition. I'm sure it will with all the eyes that GM knows are on this. You'll probably have the best C7 yet built.:thumbs:

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585391053)

I certainly hope many C7's are being delivered without problems, but after looking closely at 11 cars, with every single one having issues, I wonder if many of the buyers may not be so critical of the panel fitments or orange peel as some of us on this forum. After closely looking at these fitments, I really think there are parts that do not fit well do to improper measurements, casting, or molding. These flaws are not simple adjustments....at least not from what I've seen. These cars remind me of the panel alignment on my '79 L-82. I would like nothing better to find out that the 11 cars I saw are an aberration. I also wish Elvis were still alive.

Originally Posted by Michael A (Post 1585392244)

:iagree: I am happy for the people who are happy with the quality. However, they don't represent the potential buying pool. They are Corvette enthusiasts. I am already hearing from people who have seen the C7 who are not Corvette enthusiasts, and, unsolicited, the first thing they mention is the amount of orange peel. Next it's the fit. These are not people who go to Corvette Forum, and are clued into the quality problems. The car is already getting a bad reputation for quality, and, it's only been out a month!

This quality level might work in Detroit, but it isn't going to fly here in California with all the high end European and Japanese cars around here. People have higher standards.

They need to turn this around NOW!

Michael

Originally Posted by BERETTA (Post 1585383610)

Me too, I took a few photos at the museum but I don't have any good close ups like you have, I don't remember seeing any kind of issues like the ones in the photos you posted :ack:
The rear looks to fit very nicely here...

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585391053)

I certainly hope many C7's are being delivered without problems, but after looking closely at 11 cars, with every single one having issues, I wonder if many of the buyers may not be so critical of the panel fitments or orange peel as some of us on this forum.

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585391179)

I have seen two C7's, both very recently, one at an auto show, it looked really good, but there were so many people around the car it was hard to judge the quality.

Originally Posted by Guibo (Post 1585392425)

This is the key here. If you had close ups, or were paying attention specifically to the known problem areas, you'd see them as they are evident even on the pictures you posted.
http://s24.postimg.org/lpmoyh8wx/31_1.jpg

No, that's not a very nice fit on that rear.
http://s7.postimg.org/rez68w22j/31_2.jpg


:yesnod: We're seeing that phenomenon in evidence in this very thread.


Which auto show was that? (You can PM me the answer if you don't want to say here.) And as I posted in the other thread, the yellow non-Z51 car doing the auto show rounds has both panel fit problems and orange peel (the ZL1 sharing the stage had no panel fit problems and hardly any orange peel at all). So did many of the cars at Carlisle. If you want a truly random sampling of cars, and not the "he said, he said" debate (in which VETTE-NV has done more than just talked and already posted pictures as evidence of his assertion), check the ones on ebay. I did that last week, and out of 25 cars for which somewhat decent pics were provided (all of them were low-res), these panel fit problems were evident on 23 of them, some of which also had other issues with paint or interior trim misalignment.
This is not about "taking the Corvette down a notch" at all. It's about recognizing that there are problems that are generally not seen as a whole on other cars, many of which cost far, far less. It's about voicing these concerns in light of GM's promise of delivering world-class quality, "meticulous selection and exacting placement of materials," their whole "Precision" tag line. When you adopt the "they're all like that" mentality, as you've done in multiple threads now, or shout down people like you've done here, it makes it less likely that others who have these problems will voice their concerns because, if they listen to you, they'll think all cars are like this. All cars most certainly are not.

Originally Posted by Anthony @ LGMotorsports (Post 1585315695)

Updated pic with the correct tires, lowered and a little better lighting.

http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/alb...e_shot%7E3.jpg

http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/alb..._rear_shot.jpg

Originally Posted by Hirohawa (Post 1585392473)

Wow just went back a few pages. It looks like this is a major screw up. Are the bumpers really too long or is it just a fitment issue.

Can't believe they are delivering cars like this.

Just one more reason to redesign the rear end I guess.

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585397644)

I really think they are too long. Look at the pic of the grey car above. Even in the wide shot you can see the bumper is TOO LONG. Is this a damned kit car?? Some engineer/programmer either got the numbers wrong or did not account for shrinkage....or some such mistake. This is a ridiculous flaw in this age of digital precision, technology, and manufacturing.

I went to a few car dealers today (Porsche, Aston Martin, Mercedes, BMW) to size up my other possible options if the quality of the C7 does not improve. These cars are more expensive than the Vette, of course, but I could not find one misaligned panel and very little, if any orange peel. The more I see of the C7, the less I'm inclined to spend $70K for such poor workmanship.

C'mon GM.....get your act together so I can give YOU my money.

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585397644)

I really think they are too long. Look at the pic of the grey car above. Even in the wide shot you can see the bumper is TOO LONG. Is this a damned kit car?? Some engineer/programmer either got the numbers wrong or did not account for shrinkage....or some such mistake. This is a ridiculous flaw in this age of digital precision, technology, and manufacturing.

I went to a few car dealers today (Porsche, Aston Martin, Mercedes, BMW) to size up my other possible options if the quality of the C7 does not improve. These cars are more expensive than the Vette, of course, but I could not find one misaligned panel and very little, if any orange peel. The more I see of the C7, the less I'm inclined to spend $70K for such poor workmanship.

C'mon GM.....get your act together so I can give YOU my money.

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585398141)

The Jaguar F type V8S Coupe will be debuting soon. a well equipped one should be around 95k much less than a P or of course AM.

Originally Posted by SD1 (Post 1585398342)

While this car has some respectable numbers wait till you see one. I checked out a drop top awhile ago, reeallllyyyy disappointed.

These are small misalignments and color variations but I agree with the majority, pretty hard to justify in this price range. Not to bring up a really well beaten and decaying body, but I can see where little **** like this makes Pcars hard to pass up when picking best ofs despite performing slightly under the Vette.

Anyone in sales will tell you 50% of any deal is what you see and NOTHING more.

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585398408)

I saw a Jag f at an auto show looked ok i thought, would rather have the C7, and the 911S with all the needed go fast bits, plus a few other must have options is at least $125K. not sure it's really worth the extra $55+K

Originally Posted by WingCon (Post 1585399220)

So why don't foreign cars made in the U.S. in the South have all these quality issues? Workers at these factories have a work ethic and care about the product they have a hand in producing, and don't feel entitled, and aren't full of hatred and class warfare? Hhhhmmmmmm...........

Nancy Reagan would say: "Just say no to unions." Corvette has a great history, and I'm going to buy one. But I'm under no illusions that, quoting many of the comments above, the problem is "GMs", as in GM management, not the workers. No matter how hard management tries, they're not going to change anything while assembly line workers are out on lunch break getting toasted. If you don't believe me, google it on youtube.

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585399288)

Whether or not you're right or wrong, I must say that the video that's been floating around showing the car being built is far from inspiring. I don't think I've ever seen a more bored group of workers. The actual robots had more life to them than the humans. I'm not expecting assembly line workers to be doing the moonwalk, but they had to know the camera was on them.....at least ACT like you give a $hit. I'd be very surprised if GM's public relations department approved of this video.

Originally Posted by rcallen484 (Post 1585399296)

Now you are REALLY stretching it... that is just absolutely silly :lol: :lol: :lol: Complaining about YOUR PERCEPTION of the attitude of the BG workers based on that video. :crazy: :crazy2:

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585399288)

Whether or not you're right or wrong, I must say that the video that's been floating around showing the car being built is far from inspiring. I don't think I've ever seen a more bored group of workers. The actual robots had more life to them than the humans. I'm not expecting assembly line workers to be doing the moonwalk, but they had to know the camera was on them.....at least ACT like you give a $hit. I'd be very surprised if GM's public relations department approved of this video.

Originally Posted by rcallen484 (Post 1585399296)

Now you are REALLY stretching it... that is just absolutely silly :lol: :lol: :lol: Complaining about YOUR PERCEPTION of the attitude of the BG workers based on that video. :crazy: :crazy2:

Originally Posted by VETTE-NV (Post 1585399288)

Whether or not you're right or wrong, I must say that the video that's been floating around showing the car being built is far from inspiring. I don't think I've ever seen a more bored group of workers. The actual robots had more life to them than the humans. I'm not expecting assembly line workers to be doing the moonwalk, but they had to know the camera was on them.....at least ACT like you give a $hit. I'd be very surprised if GM's public relations department approved of this video.

Originally Posted by R&L's C6 (Post 1585404093)

Why are people getting down on the Bowling Green workers? Most all the problems reported have nothing to do with the them. Most all the paint issues are from robotics. The rear panel being slightly too long, not the line workers fault. The electronic problems, not the line workers fault. Lots of blame being put on people who have absolutely no say in most of these matters.

Originally Posted by WingCon (Post 1585404206)

Your specifics may be true. However, coming from a long time union member, the majority of these workers will do the absolute minimum, and even deliberately sabotage vehicles just to "get back at the man", despite their way over market wages and benefits that have broken many car companies in the past. (Along with any bad management decisions to be fair.)

Why are foreign cars, whether made here by non-union workers or overseas always come out with far higher quality ratings by non-biased periodicals that accept no advertising? Everything from Consumer Reports to Motorcycle Consumer News.

Originally Posted by R&L's C6 (Post 1585404319)

What makes up those quality and reliability ratings? Most all the parts on most cars are manufactured by non union workers (which are what fail and give the poor ratings to begin with). Lots of generalized Bull$h!t being thrown at the Bowling Green assembly line workers in this thread with absolutely zero proof any of them are to blame.

Originally Posted by R&L's C6 (Post 1585404319)

What makes up those quality and reliability ratings? Most all the parts on most cars are manufactured by non union workers (which are what fail and give the poor ratings to begin with). Lots of generalized Bull$h!t being thrown at the Bowling Green assembly line workers in this thread with absolutely zero proof any of them are to blame.

Originally Posted by WingCon (Post 1585399220)

So why don't foreign cars made in the U.S. in the South have all these quality issues? Workers at these factories have a work ethic and care about the product they have a hand in producing, and don't feel entitled, and aren't full of hatred and class warfare? Hhhhmmmmmm...........
No matter how hard management tries, they're not going to change anything while assembly line workers are out on lunch break getting toasted.

Originally Posted by Guibo (Post 1585405169)

Part of it is the work ethic instilled in these US workers, taken from policies and practices in the home country. For instance, the X3 that is built in Spartanburg:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...JuQ6d1q8_ZQPuQ


It's not just the presence of unions, but the nature of that relationship which can make all the difference. In Germany, the unions are very powerful, with the kinds of vacation time and benefits their American counterparts generally don't have. They are granted these benefits in exchange for knowing that they must make concessions to management when times are bad. Management, for its part will work with the union concessions to wages/benefits in exchange for more job security during such times, and is generally accomodating to the needs of its workforce. BMW, for instance, realized that it needed to retain skilled, older workers, so it had to make changes. It has a program and part of the plant designed around older workers, a slower pace than the normal line, physiotherapists on the production floor, and even quiet resting stations:
http://static.ibnlive.in.com/pix/sli...ide/bmw3_3.jpg
Management may have high quality standards, but the workers take this, as well as the work atmosphere, as points of pride. It's a more cohesive, mutually beneficial relationship, rather than the adversarial one we see in the States.

Originally Posted by jagamajajaran (Post 1585419491)

UPDATE! I just received an email from OnStar detailing my C7's diagnostic report. It shows 1995 miles on the car as of today. I loaded it onto the trailer with 1990 miles. Hopefully those 5 miles include taking it inside the factory, all repairs, and putting it back on a truck to send to back to me! :thumbs:

Originally Posted by #1c6 (Post 1585419922)

i hope it all goes well, post lots of pics when you get it back! i have a v/y z51 on order and love looking at pics while im waiting:willy:

Originally Posted by rcallen484 (Post 1585399296)

Now you are REALLY stretching it... that is just absolutely silly :lol: :lol: :lol: Complaining about YOUR PERCEPTION of the attitude of the BG workers based on that video. :crazy: :crazy2:

Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn (Post 1585420011)

:iagree:

What you see in a video doesn't show you anything about quality or how the workers feel. Just like the videos shown of riots it doesn't show you what else is going on outside the field of view of the camera. It is very easy to get a wrong perception of what is going on from a video. A picture is worth a thousand words except when it isn't.

Bill