Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585137163)

I'm not saying you are, my response was simply a plausible answer to the question you posed, "Why is it that there are people in here who drink at the 911 trough and make it [a] mission to come onto a Corvette forum and sing the praises of the 911?" Here is another question: why would one or two forum members spend years on the forum of a car that they think is inferior to their preferred brand?

Originally Posted by Guibo (Post 1585137528)

Maybe they're just car enthusiasts who like talking about cars? Here's an equally useless/pointless question: Why do you even care?

Originally Posted by Notch (Post 1585137521)

I don't do that sort of bragging (or any bragging for that matter) because it serves no purpose and it's juvenile.

Originally Posted by Guibo (Post 1585137528)

Maybe they're just car enthusiasts who like talking about cars? Here's an equally useless/pointless question: Why do you even care?

Originally Posted by themonk (Post 1585137847)

because he, like most of us in here like Corvettes and even more so the C7 and really don't care if the 911 is a better car or not and even less about people in here putting the C7 down.

and with that I bid you a good night.

Originally Posted by pietro c7 (Post 1585137740)

Its a little bit like someone who clicks on hetero porn,...but then gets homosexual porn instead.....yes in both cases its explicite sex.....but not necessarely what they were looking for....Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of your work and you bring a nice contrbution to this forum .....but telling someone why they should care ....is questionable.

Originally Posted by themonk (Post 1585137847)

because he, like most of us in here like Corvettes and even more so the C7 and really don't care if the 911 is a better car or not and even less about people in here putting the C7 down.
and with that I bid you a good night.

Originally Posted by jimb100 (Post 1585119994)

Really?

This is exactly what I find annoying about the car mags. Its one thing to provide basic 0-60, 1/4 mile for reference but track times are not much value to 99.9% of us. .

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585137940)

But in this case, C&D picked the Corvette over the 911, a few members can't handle this (not you) and start telling us the reasons C&D used aren't sound, unless of course the 911 wins using the same type of reasoning, then it does matter...:lol:...These people talk out of both sides of their mouths on a regular basis. I still believe the only reason they are here is to promote and protect the Porsche brand. The fact that occasionally they talk about other cars is a great way to hide in plain sight.

Originally Posted by JeffInDFW (Post 1585138010)

Then I am among the other .1%. I could give a flip about any cup holders or comfy seats. The total "track time" means -everything- to me. It gives me the -total- picture of what I care about, and that is how the car drives. How it brakes, accelerates, turns at the limit, handles full compression on dips and full unloading on rises. I buy cars because I love to drive. Also, I can get over a seat that sucks, but I HATE to lose.

Originally Posted by DREAMERAK (Post 1585137940)

But in this case, C&D picked the Corvette over the 911, a few members can't handle this (not you) and start telling us the reasons C&D used aren't sound, unless of course the 911 wins using the same type of reasoning, then it does matter...:lol:...These people talk out of both sides of their mouths on a regular basis. I still believe the only reason they are here is to promote and protect the Porsche brand. The fact that occasionally they talk about other cars is a great way to hide in plain sight.

Originally Posted by JeffInDFW (Post 1585138010)

The total "track time" means -everything- to me.

Originally Posted by themonk (Post 1585137821)

so is pointless arguing..........

Originally Posted by ByByBMW (Post 1585122493)

I actually like Porsche's, as well as Corvettes but you are right, the rear seat space is just a way to pad the 911 results. It should never have been included.

Originally Posted by OnPoint (Post 1585141435)

I think I'd prefer they not assign points to price or rear seat. The price is what it is, and someone considering the purchase will decide whether he/she is getting sufficient value in return for the price paid. Same with the seats - they may or may not be an impacting factor in the purchase decision. Both are highly subjective. I think it would be "cleaner" to remove them from the comparison as both are obvious in their peresence, and the reader/consumer will make his/her decision regarding them according to their interests/needs/desires.

Originally Posted by jumper5836 (Post 1585141504)

Price is important, less is always better when comparing like for like. Seating isn't unless it was a passenger car review.

Originally Posted by OnPoint (Post 1585141615)

I just think its impact on purchase decision varies so widely as to make it difficult on which to assign it any particular scoring. The price is clearly noted, so folks can make up their own mind about it. Same as the seats.

It seems a bit like trying to place a purportedly objective rating on styling. I think such would be very difficult to do in any fashion that would have anything but widely divergent currency among divergent potential customers.

Originally Posted by Carnut12 (Post 1585126752)

Some love the Classic Design over the Contemporary design of the Vette. Contemporary does not age well, Cadillac has proved this over and over again. Look at a 5 or 10 year old Caddy, it looks Terrible, compare it to a BMW or Mercedes of that age. We will see how the Vette ages, the C4 and C5 have not aged well IMO. To be fair the 996 Porsche (the one attempt they made to go more outside the box) is ugly as hell. To me the best looking 911's are the 993, what a timeless design, I would bet the 991 is looked at the same way almost 20 years from now. Look at a 1998 Vette compared to a 1998 911, it is not even close IMO.

I find it humorous you mention the rear seat score, but not the 20-1 score for Price as Tested. If you include one you have to include the other.

Originally Posted by jimb100 (Post 1585119994)

Really?

This is exactly what I find annoying about the car mags. Its one thing to provide basic 0-60, 1/4 mile for reference but track times are not much value to 99.9% of us.

If the C7 goes around Laguna Seca 2 seconds faster than 911, what does that tell me about my drive from Tampa to Miami? I'll give you the answer: Nothing!

Even people who track their cars, and they are few and far between in the total scope of sports cars, aren't actually racing. Those actually racing are tiny percentage of a tiny percentage.

I can think of hundred more important questions than lap times at Laguna Seca and what Randy thought of the car at 10/10s in turn 1.

How are the seats? Are they comfortable after an hour? How's the infotainment system? Can I plug in Android or Iphone? If I'm driving on a back road and crest a small dip that unloads the outside wheel, what does the car feel like? Any klunks or sticktion to the trans, rear end, brakes? Cupholders get in the way of the gearshift or nav screen? Are they deep enough to not tip the cup or can going around turns?
When pulling away from a light how fast am I going if I red line first gear? Second gear?

I hate to say it but I'm liking reviews on CNET more because they are more real world. Even Top Gear and Motorweek give a better feel for the car than the car mags are doing.

I suppose that's part of the reason they offer a years subscription for $8 and keep sending issues even after the subscription ends.