How about driving the car at the big reveal at Marina with 20 new cars on hand. And also hot laps around Laguna Seca with none other than Tommy Milner. He told me he was going to convert me from Ferrari to Corvette and proceeded to show what the Vette could do around Laguna. So you haven't been reading some of the dual Fresnel posts here. You better study up and educate yourself on that prism grinding technology. It allows light to be directed in a downward direction for the back up camera or straight out for forward motion. I'm surprised you don't pay better attention to these kind of technologies. Study up!

Odd -- the nearly daily compliments, stares and lookbacks I get on my 13 YO Vette suggest it has aged very well indeed. I suspect your opinion (and that's all it is) is very much in the minority in the real world as well as on this Forum.

I will confess I appreciate the 911's styling, particularly the very clean, light and airy '60s vintage ones. I will also confess that, while I really like the C7's looks, I have a strong feeling it is one Vette that will not age particularly well. There's a lot going on there, and I think most of the cars that become true design classics tend to be great shapes with minimal extraneous detailing. The '80's Ferrari Testarossa comes to mind. Loved it when it came out, but it looks quite overwrought to me today. The 1970-vintage GTB-4 Daytona, however? Pure genius...

20 new cars...doesn't mean you drove all of them. How about you answer with the actual miles you put on? Hot laps with Tommy Miner...meaning you weren't even driving the car, is that corrrect?
On other cars with rear cameras, the back-up lamps are usually sufficient to provide adequate lighting. No "dual fresnel" lamps needed. The adaptive lighting on the 911 renders the "forward motion" point moot.

Incapable of exciting designs, huh.
http://www.forcegt.com/wp-content/up...1-LeMans-3.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4148/4...258dbf24_b.jpg
http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1026/5...1c6f9125_b.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2349/2...586fb6f1_z.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7299/9...31118901_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5202/5...abf08fe4_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8202/8...4203dfef_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/8...1e3f9b9d_b.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4097/4...856fe9b1_b.jpg

Looks like Guibotch is again talking nonsense and spreading false propaganda!! He/She has it's head so far up Porsche's a** that it can't see or think straight or is actually on Porsche's payroll.

I just ignore him or her!!

What is so false about it?

You should learn to take your own advice.

Well, one could say that you Porsche fans really do wallow in your Porsche design mediocrity. I stand by my views of Porsche inability to design. You just proved it once again with these photos.

4th time, skank: How many miles did you put in the C7? Do you think it was even 100 miles?
Porsche design mediocrity...that's why their cars have won so many design awards, huh? They've even designed everything from hard drives to entire kitchens to watches by IWC, Franck Muller, and Eterna. They've even been contracted to design boats (somewhat ironic in that the other car is a Corvette).
For a person who prides himself on the importance of racing, it's quite telling that you're not excited by any of those cars. Some of which have won races outright (not just best in class). Rather ironic, considering the grief the C7 gets on its rear end design.

Arguing over design is dumb. You like it or you don't. Corvettes, Ferrari, Lambo, lots of custom European sports car makes = striking designs.

Porsche, BMW, Audi, Mercedes, understated designs.

Arguing over which is better, vanilla or chocolate is just arguing for its own sake. Childish.

It was enough to get a real feel for the driver and passenger comfort. I've also driven 911 and can tell you, they don't ride as planted and smooth as the Vette. The bobbing of the 911,which their famous for continues on the new 991. There are plenty of threads on Rennlist complaining of this awful trait that the 911 can't seem to rid itself of. Those race cars you have shown have no correlation to their production cars. None at all !!! Kitchens by Porsche ???? You have reached a new low with that one.

Guibo, show me some of these Porsche Kitchen designs you've proclaimed. This should be a real laugh!!!

How about TV design?

This is just simple branding of some other companies product. Nothing more than that.

Here's Shank's quote..."Porsche just cannot design. They are incapable of exciting automotive design."

Your comments seem better applied to Shank than Guibo.

But it wasn't even 100 miles, I bet. You don't know how comfortable they are over long distances. C&D drove both of their test cars 700 miles. I think they have a better understanding of that than you do.
First of all, not all of those are race cars. The 993 GT2 is a bone stock street car. The GT1 road car is almost exactly like its racing counterpart. No steel coils swapped for leafsprings. Same with the Dauer 962, based on the actual racing car:
http://bin3aiah.net/cars/makes/d/dau...LM_1994-13.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/gallery/4839/1754/776335.jpg

Secondly, some of those cars were race cars in their time that were homologated for road use, pretty much as is. Not so different from the Ferrari GTOs, GT40s, and Cobras of the time.

Thirdly, you made no reference to road cars only.

As for the kitchens, next time you're in SF, check out the Porsche Design boutique store. (Then try to find the GM Design boutique store. :rofl:). Or, if you're in Miami, someone will let you inside of the Porsche Design Tower condos.
http://investinmiami.com/wp-content/...11-400x600.jpg
http://porschetowermiamicondos.com/w.../2013/04/5.jpg

Designed by Porsche...

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/bull...he-video/10557

http://www.cseed.tv/design/

Which other company is that?

Poggenpohl on their Kitchen designs. OMA Architects of famed Rem Koolhaas on the Tower design in Miami. All just simple branding of the Porsche name. Porsche are not architects or millwork designers. The two of you can stop sucking off the Porsche nipple now. They have absolutely nothing to do with any of these product designs other than name recognition.

That is not accurate.

If you want to be accurate, you must also include the 5 points Porsche received for having rear seats.

Therefore, the Vette lead was "only" 14 points.

So the Vette lost a total of 9 points to the Porsche, and one of those were for performance, which did not make sense. The Vette was roughly equivalent in all tests (except for the top gear passing, which should not be compared when one of the cars is allowed to downshift and the other isn't), but completely dominated the Porsche on the track. It looks like C&D did not include track testing in their "performance" numbers, which does not make sense to me as it is more telling than the other metrics.

So you could argue that point should be a wash (or possibly in favor of the Vette).

In any case, the results were very close, and both cars are clearly excellent in almost every way. Once GM gets production going consistently, and fills out their product line (higher power models, lighter weight models, etc) I think they will compete very well with both the 911 and Cayman.

-T

44 design awards since 1981...All the brand’s products are designed in the Porsche Design-Studio in Zell am See, Austria.

http://exhibition.ifdesign.de/winner...et=0#AwardList

And some of those points were awarded back to the Corvette for having more cargo space, so your scoring is off. Where did the Porsche receive points for all of those things that are not even available on the Corvette at any price? In any event, the price of both of these cars would likely be a consideration before seats or cargo space, if liability and indemnity are issues, which they usually are in these tests. The manufacturers don't just throw the keys to anyone.
You're complaining about flexibility? The 991 can be slotted into automatic and driven like any auto (particularly handy in stop and go traffic), or downshifted in the blink of an eye, yet the Corvette won on flexibility points anyway.