So despite AWD, its much lauded PDK transmission and a weight distribution which saw 61% (vs. 51% for the C7) of its very similar weight to the C7 over its primary driven wheels the AWD 911 S lost convincingly (ET and trap speed) in the 1/4 to a manual transmission Stingray which cost less than half as much.

Fascinating.

that vid is pure multi-cargasmic car porn! thanks for posting! C7 is impressive

Did you pick up on when Randy Pobst was asked if this is the best vette ever - he answer not yet..? interesting.. what does he know about the new ZO7???

Be Happy!
 

I plan on purchasing an arctic-white C7 once all the smoke settles. In the meantime, I just want to say that everyone here who intends on owning a C7 should be quite happy with the latest test results.

I recently sold my slightly modded 2009 ZO6 (538 RWHP) ...

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Having the Akrapovic exhaust installed; I'm actually showing this picture to show the plate, which has my name on it. There are a lot of BS artists who hang around these forums and I like to back up everything I claim.

I recently purchased this car:



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I went with the 7-speed manual because I've always preferred driving a stick. Another 991 owner recently ran an eleven-seven with the PDK at Atco and one day I'd like to match or beat that number with the manual.

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Be aware that the 991 (seventh generation 911) is larger and has over 90% different parts than any previous 911. It's a totally different animal and the Porsche "purists" hate the car because of all the drastic changes. They feel that Porsche sold them out.

To date, it's the best car I've ever driven and I constantly find myself heading up to Bear Mountain in the wee hours to enjoy those twisty roads.

I purposely sold the ZO6 because I knew Chevy was going to make a drastic change as did Porsche. So now I look forward to also enjoying Chevy's new technology. The C7 will make a fine stablemate with the 991 as far as I'm concerned. :cheers:

Very nice Car, I love it, especially the ducktail!!!!!! I have white also, but mine is a 2010 997.2. I like the 991, I understand why some do not, but I am not in that camp at all. The one thing I do like better about the 997 is the steering, but the rest of the package certainly makes up for that.

Just curious did you get any seat time in the PDK? I thought I would never buy an Automatic until I got to race the 991 with PDK, in Sport Plus mode it is absolutely sick especially with the PSE (Porsche Sport Exhaust).

Sorry,
But the 911 is NOT a pretty girl. It would be the equivalent of the old maid. It's looks are hideous. The supermodels are the C7 and Ferrari. The C7 beat the 911 like a drum, and yet, they still had the audacity to say it was the better car. The numbers and looks don't lie. The C7 is now head and shoulders above the 911.

In that Q&A link with the MT editor, he said the C7 lost by a little and what made it lose was the confidence at the limit. The Corvette -- well, at least the preproduction model -- seems to have a body pitch and roll problem in mid-corner, above 8/10ths. It snap oversteers. Sounds like Chevy needs to come up with their own version of PDCC to virtually eliminate bodyroll.

The C7 has great acceleration, especially for a manually-equipped car and no AWD, although it does have launch control. It puts the power down well. Same goes for the brakes and the best steering feel in this group.

The handling is where the 911 outshined the C7, near the limit. If the GM engineers can figure out the magic potion to suspension tuning to match or exceed the 911's body-roll tendencies, it'll be a slam dunk.

Interestingly, they never really delved into highway and back-road driving. I would've loved to have heard if the C7 excelled over the 911 on twisty roads not at the limit, pothole, ripped up streets, stuff like that.

Maybe someone can ask the MT editor about the comment earlier in this thread where the poster observed the 911 spin out of the corner because the driver entered too early, too fast. I'd like to see him defend that and then say it has confidence all the time and everywhere. The MT editor would probably respond with "it's the driver's fault". So, if you enter a corner too early in the 911 and spin out, it's your fault. If you enter the corner too early in the Corvette and spin out, it's the car's fault. I get the 911 is a car to be respected and I'm reluctant to admit that it's probably the best sports car in the world under $250K. But, c'mon, admit that the car is not perfect.

Here is the new article on how they would rank the C7 and the F12 in the full comparo with the rest of the cars.


http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...car_aftermath/

So you're backtracking from the earlier statement of "The 911 is always going to beat the Corvette in these comparos." OK. And that's just Motor Trend. Automobile Magazine, R&T, and C&D have named the C6 better than the 997 in tests too.

That has nothing to do with what I said. If you can't refute what I've written, by all means go personal. That's the CF way! Or you could answer the question yourself: Were you OK with tests where Corvettes placed ahead of Vipers despite being slower on the track? And I'm not talking about a fraction of a second (0.72s) slower. I'm talking about whole seconds, on the order of 4-5s on a 90-second track.

But MSRC is claimed to be very fast at adapting to surface conditions, able to take readings and adjust 1000 times per second. Lack of body roll doesn't necessarily make for a better driver's car; sometimes you want such a signal about the cornering limits of the car as well as adding to the sensation of speed. (Within reason; again, nobody is saying a 1980s Lincoln is an example of a great driver's car because it wallows.)

A poster earlier mentioned that the way you sit on the road in the 911, when compared to the C7, might also attribute to its confidence. That's a fair point. The 911 has an advantage of flexibility with its windshield position during the design stage, because the engine is behind the rear axle. The Corvette is a front engine (front mid-engine) car and doesn't have the same benefit. Others, like the Ferrari 458 or even the Porsche Cayman have the engine in front of the rear axle and also have more freedom with the front-end design of the car to give the driver a better road view.

All of this got me thinking how many front-engine sports cars have a confidence approaching the 911 or even some of the more notable mid-engine cars? I can only think of one, other than the C7, and it is the SLS AMG Black Series (per MT's Best Driver's Car Competition). I thought about the Nissan GT-R, but having driven one some time ago, it feels artificial and I don't know if I can put it in the same class, even though its numbers are fantastic.

R8 is also noted for its confidence-inspiring nature. So is the Lexus LFA, which Chris Harris cited as the best car he'd ever driven on the Nurburgring (which demands confidence), and that includes the 911 GT2 and GT2 RS. That could very well change on a wet and damp 'Ring however. Scion FR-S/BRZ are said to be very confidence-inspiring too, even on better than stock rubber which raises grip considerably.

Taking 3rd or 4th would absolutely have been a great result. That would have put it ahead of the Cayman (which I suspect R&T will do the same in its upcoming comparo).

Pobst:
"The new ‘Vette is third in my personal rank, admittedly biased because it's made in America and a great value. People need less-expensive driver's cars, too, and Chevy delivers. And it has the endangered-species-listed manual transmission, still the best way to involve a real driver."

Let me make sure I understand you. Just the numbers, right?

So you'd prefer a 2001 Mustang with headers, heads, twin turbos, intake, ahead of ......

And since you can probably have this car put together for $10k, its the winner!

As a good judge of porn, RE: by your av, I would have to give credence to your comment.

I don't know, one of the editors said it's not ahead of the 911 or Cayman, as a driver's car. I understand it. I get it. What's amazing is some put it ahead of the R8, while none put it ahead of the SLS AMG Black Series. But if you look at the Automobilemag street driving comparison of the F12 and SLS AMG Black Series, they felt that, while the MB is an animal, it's not destined to be a daily driver on the road. That's how I read it. Maybe they meant the F12 is the better road car, but I interpreted as the car is for the track, not the road. But their sister magazine, MT, ranked the MB second in their Best Driver's Car Competition. I don't know, I don't understand it. Sounds like MT shouldn't have ranked the MB second, if it's too stiff for the road.

But you can see how these things can be subjective. Randy put the Corvette third because of bias, for which I don't much care. There shouldn't be any bias. That's why some of these cars may receive one type review or another, because of instilled bias, even before the driver opens the door.

The R8 is mid-engine.

Could not possibly agree with you more, that 911 is ugly, looks like a bug as they all do from the front and a partially squashed turd from the other profiles.

A 911 pictured along with the C7 and Ferrari is like the scag who wants to hang with the 2 pretty girls. Kind of amazing how the 911 faithfull are feeling undone by the new model. Did this crew just have a can of V8 juice or what. My goodness the boys from Stutgart have been bending over these guys for decades. Simply amazing.

The 911S Turbo!
 

A full powered "Best Drivers Car"? I doubt it!

I pretty much agree, but don't think the 911 is "hideous". Rather, it's freaking boring. There is just nothing exciting about the styling and it's just a milk-toast design. You have to get into the more purpose-built cars like the GT3 or Turbo before they start looking aggressive and better IMO.
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2011 Z06 to base C7
 

Hate to digress from the 911 versus the C7 but what I really find interesting is that this should put to bed the whole C6 Z06 versus C7 around a race track to bed.
Granted this is a time for the "Big Boy" 2011 with the X pipe, good for about 5 to 7 HP, and the Z06 package.

That car ran 1:34.43 at Laguna so it is way more than a match for the base C7.

I really like the c7 and in no way am I throwing racks at it as I plan on getting the Z06 version in 2 to 3 years.......