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And we can even order it in a red that is close to the Ferrari color.:rock:

I can't recall speaking to you by the way..:rofl:

To all on CF: As I've followed this thread, I have been blessed to not read Guibo's inane, petty and argumentative posts since I added him to my ignore list a few months ago. It really makes life soooo much better. :woohoo:

I only see his bovine deification now when one of you quote him to continue to debate this "person".

If all of you add him to your ignore list, you will not have to read his crappy post. Your enjoyment level on CF as we discuss our cars will increase dramatically. And your BP will go down 20 points, so there are health benefits to taking this action. :thumbs:

Everyone's choice, of course, but I have not missed reading his crap one iota during the past several months. :D

Now back to the topic. :cheers:

It doesn't, but here's the thing: One car could handle just as well as another but if its trunk is large enough and its fit & finish is better, then that deserves some consideration in their test. It is they, after all, who is doing the test and not you. Just as with the general population, outright handling, power, or track times is not the only consideration, nor should it necessarily be for what are still essentially road cars. Not race cars. Which leads into my question, which I'll repeat:
You have 8 other cars...is any of them a pure sports car with none or few of the compromises for practicality and refinement?

By posting on this forum, you've made a comment that is addressable by everyone who can see it, including me. I can't recall you answering my question, BTW. ;)

"And your BP will go down 20 points, so there are health benefits to taking this action. :thumbs:"

:rofl:

I take this statement as a "slap" at the C7's mid-corner handling comment. If I am incorrect, I apologize. The C7 uses some nannies, and it is an awesome car because of them.

You are probably too young, by 40 years or so, to understand the 911 was a car that would kill you in a split second. Turn off the nannies in the current Porsche 911 variant and most of the world's serious car drivers would not care for its "natural behavior" either.

Everyone has their own opinion. God bless America. :flag: The C7 is a winner to almost everybody who 'gets' sports cars. If you don't believe this car is not a winner, OK.

:cheers:

I'd also like to address this recalibration that he brings up. The Corvette engineers informed us there was a software update they'd like to install and we let them do it, but it was not a night-and-day change. It was, per the Corvette engineers, a small tweaking of the magnetic ride control settings. Per Randy, the real difference he felt was in running a hot lap in Sport mode rather than Race. He felt the Race mode shock settings were too stiff and caused the car to be more loose. Sport was softer and let it hook up better. But again, by the time he did that lap, we weren't able to rig it with data collection equipment.

Read more: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/9567...#ixzz2g7ygnFIa

Randy time was in Sport Mode.

So in the interview Randy said the car felt soft and had "a lot" of body roll by comparison.
Then in the write up it says the car is too stiff... Which is it now?

Well then you might as well add some other criteria that has nothing to do with performance like which one looks better, which has the better exhaust note, or who's rims are more sparkly.....and you're right, I'm not doing the test, they are, so what makes their opinion any more valuable than mine, or the next guys? When they base their opinion on things that are subjective which in turn determines the out come then the whole testing procedure in bunk, doesn't hold water, but hey, if you agree with them good on ya, I reserve the right to choose my own winner based on my own tests.

As for my 8 other cars, not one of them is a pure sports car, my two Corvettes (well one now) were the closest I've got to having a pure sports car and when my C7 arrives it will be a pure sports car.

Could be a lot of body roll by comparison to the Porsche. And too stiff in that setting for the damping.

Race mode could be optimal for an even smoother track, or autocross. For people who like a racier feel on a smooth road, it could also be a benefit. IIRC, when C&D first tested the ZR1, it was faster in the softer mode than in the hardest suspension mode.

Okay and which mode they use for the hot Nurburgring lap times?

Some tests do add those criteria (minus sparkly rims). And even more. Ride quality (some German mags even test it with and without passengers), gearbox smoothness, wet traction, engine NVH, interior noise levels, etc. That's because all of these manufacturers take all of these into consideration when developing their cars. We're not talking about Caterham and Ariel here. You're not just buying a raw set of numbers. You're buying a car (and for some people, an entire experience). And the customers look at those things too.
What maybe makes their opinion more valuable is that they have tested all three of these cars over the same roads and on the same track at the same time, so (perhaps?) with 4-5 editors' opinions, plus that of a hired racing driver, they may have some basis by which to assess relative value.
As to the previous question of who cares what journalists think, GM certainly cared enough to hire journalists to critique their newer models. Aston Martin cared enough to call in Evo Magazine when they gave a less than stellar review of one of their cars. McLaren cared enough to call in the same magazine when its MP4-12C was beaten by the Ferrari 458.

Pure sports car...with power windows, power seats, power mirrors, A/C, sound system, AFM, cupholders, remote keyless entry, etc.

I don't know.

Snap oversteer? Where are you getting this? Any high powered RWD car will have snap oversteer with electronics off or turned down. The reports on the C7 is that the car allows you to push it closer to the limit than any Corvette before it.n I think there is a bit of overstatement here.

Part of the issue is that the car has so many modes it probably takes some time to get the settings right for how you prefer them. Also, didn't someone say that this pre release car was reprogrammed by the engineers there and they got better results?

Snap oversteer seems to be a new buzzword.
Best to just forget about it...

Reminds me of torque steer on the SRT4 forums...
Good lord.

So you buy your cars based on what journalists think, wow, interesting, I for one don't, I'm fully capable of making up my own mind.

Yes pure sports car, just because it happens to have those things doesn't make it any less of a sports car. I didn't realize that a sports car had to be an F1.

No, I don't buy my cars based on what journalists think. I never said that. The question was asked: What makes their opinion any more valuable? I've given some reasons why their opinions may have more value, as well as examples of how the manufacturers themselves value their input. This is not to say that they don't get input from individual owners who track their cars, but if you haven't talked to them...
Neither a Caterham nor an Ariel are F1 cars. But it is a fact that GM markets the Corvette as a luxury sports car. As such, it is perfectly reasonable IMO to evaluate how it compares not only as a sports car, but also as a luxury item. Those things I mentioned clearly are not there to make the car go faster; indeed, their aggregate weight probably makes the car go slower. And the Porsche has even more of that stuff, yet is able to lap within 0.72 seconds on a 1:38 lap. That's smaller than time differential that C&D found between Pirelli PZeros and Michelin Pilot Super Sports using a control vehicle on a 60-second autocross course.

Me thinks Guibo wants a MG TD.:D

Heck, even many pure race cars have A/C these days!