Damnnn. Now I am reconsidering the C7

Great performance for the Stingray.

Nice to see.

2.51 is a great lap time. Although VIR Grand is a long racetrack, the Grand Course cuts the long back straightaway in half, and for a good part of the track, there are many short acceleration zones where the midrange torque of the Stingray will be predominant in getting from apex to apex. The Stingray probably gave up some time on the long front straight to the ZR1 and Z06, which means it was very fast on other parts of the track, to be able to come as close to ZR1/Z06 times as it did.



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Actually, the Z07 option didn't add any weight to the Z06. The Z06/Z07 also has much better tires then the base Z06 and pulls a 1.13g. Just replacing the OE Goodyears with Bridgestones on my Z06 made a significant improvement in acceleration as I was getting some traction in first and second gears, while at the same time doubling the tire life. The Bridgestones are not some super duper drag radial, yet grip better than the OE Goodyears. Z06's fitted with Michelin Super Sports are worlds above the Z06 on the OE Goodyears.

I didn't say the Z07 option made it heavier. I said the cars themselves ie the '12 Z06/Z07 was heavier than the early Z06s. MT's test weight was 3320 compared to the early cars being in the 3100lb range.

Was just going to highlight a lot of what you said. I am amazed.

I didn't think the car would be 12 flat and didn't think it would be that quick around VIR....

I am IMPRESSED. This car is flat out awesome.

Autoweek couldn't even paraphrase a press release correctly:

http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...,1502372.story

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I am suspicious of a 12 flat ET. I am thinking that they are saying it runs in the twelve second range. Do not get me wrong it is just odd sounding to an old drag racer. Even 12.09 would sound more realistic. How close to 11.99 is 12 flat? I think I will wait and see other test. My gut feeling is the car will run the low twelves. I am buying the C7 but I do not give a rats behind if it goes 12.47 or 12.11...

Lets not forget how amazing this part is:

"The $2,800 Z51 Performance Package includes an electronic limited-slip differential; dry-sump oiling system; integral brake, differential and transmission cooling; as well as a unique aero package that further improves high-speed stability. Magnetic Ride Control with Performance Traction Management is a $1,795 option. A Corvette Stingray equipped like the test car used at VIR would cost $56,590."

A friend of mine just paid $50k for a used low milage 2009 Z06 in December. Had he waited 7-8 months he could have a NEW 2014 C7 with MSRC + PTM for a few bucks more. The price of the C7 is just as amazing as the Z06-like performance.

That's very impressive for a base model C7. I think it's going to be proven that the C7's not only handle better than the big-tired GS's, but handily out-accelerate them too.
On the "Showroom Stock LS3 Fast List", only two cars hit 119 mph (and no Grand Sports were anywhere close). IMO, we're going to see these cars in the mid-high 11's pretty easily in nice DA at a well-prepped track. And they should be very solid on a road course.
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I noticed that in the AW article too, then read the press release. Nothing at all wrong with sticking a racing seat and harnesses in the car.
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119 mph would pretty easily support a ~12.0 ET, especially if it was an automatic car.
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Wow... great track times. I've said before that 0-60, etc aren't important to me but the 2:51 at VIR is important and incredibly impressive. Hopefully this puts the "will the C7 be faster" debate to bed. Nothing more to see here folks, move along :D

The base car without the Z51 package might actually trap 120+ MPH given the weight advantage. This is exciting stuff!

The times shown are for a Z51 equipped C7, not the base model C7. You can expect the times for a base model C7 to be .2-.3 seconds slower 0-60 and the in 1/4 than the Z51 equipped C7, and lower g's around the skid pad.

The base c7 with z51 is faster than the Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera! Below are all cars under 3:00


Lap times (128)

Pos Make / Model Time Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:45.63 '08 647 / 1530 Jim Mero
2. Mosler MT900S 2:45.90 '11 558 / 1174 Car&Driver
3. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.60 '08 600 / 1536
4. Mosler MT900S Photon 2:49.80 '12 558 / 1135 Car&Driver
5. Ferrari 458 Italia 2:49.90 '09 570 / 1485 C&D
*** Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z51 2:51.70 14'
6. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 '10 570 / 1430
7. KTM X-Bow 2:52.30 '08 241 / 871
8. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 2:52.38 '12 588 / 1838 Aaron Link
9. Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 '11 530 / 1736
10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 2:53.50 '11 512 / 1394
11. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 2:53.90 '09 670 / 1664 Mark Gillies
12. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2:54.60 '07 510 / 1402
13. Lexus LFA 2:55.10 '10 560 / 1609 C&D
14. Nissan GT-R 2:55.60 '08 480 / 1740
15. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:55.90 '10 450 / 1400
16. Dodge Viper SRT-10 2:57.40 '08 612 / 1567
17. Porsche 911 Turbo S 2:57.50 '10 530 / 1585
18. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 2:57.50 '12 588 / 1838 C&D
19. Ariel Atom 3 2:57.60 '08 300 / 456 Mark Gillies
20. Mercedes SLS AMG 2:58.00 '10 571 / 1620
21. Mercedes C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series 2:58.00 '11 517 / 1748 C&D
22. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 2:58.20 '05 513 / 1437
23. Chevrolet Camaro 1LE 2:58.34 '12 432 / 0 Chevrolet Test Driver
24. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 2:58.48 '10 558 / 1712 Ford SVT
25. Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C6 2:58.80 '10 436 / 1542
26. Porsche 911 Carrera S 2:58.90 '11 400 / 1415 C&D
27. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 2:59.50 '09 525 / 1620 Dave Vanderwerp


http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html

Well, not to be a wet blanket but...
 

...isn't this news release significantly misleading? I mean, this certainly isn't a 'standard' Stingray. The track time especially would be considerably worse w/o Z51, right?

A 'standard' Stingray wouldn't have the Z51 options. It wouldn't have any rear anti-sway bar at all, would it? It wouldn't have the eLSD...or the larger tires...or the better brakes.

While this is true for experienced drivers in real world situations, the fast list times cannot really be compared to GM official times or mag times. Iirc the GM official time for the Z06 was 11.7, which is a number that should be used to compare to GM's 12.0 number for the C7.

"Base" meaning a non-Z06/ZR1 or similar variant.
And your estimates are nothing but speculation, so I won't "expect" anything. The Z51 will be slightly heavier with different tires and a very slight gearing advantage but I'd guess that a non-Z51 1LT car would be quicker.
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