MT will clearly test and write it up!:) But, I'm guessing the expectations have now been more or less indicated!:)

All the rags likely will.

better compound, new car is using the pss

C'mon, man...it is VERY significant in what it is and does for the car. Bigger/different tires, bigger/different brakes, improved/different cooling, improved/different oiling system, rear anti-sway bar, MSRC and eLSD. Don't kid yourself, these are very significant upgrades to the standard Stingray.

Really, all they have to do is run these tests on the 'standard' Corvette and publish them as such or delete the 'standard' Corvette and call the Z51 the 'standard' Stingray.

^^^I think he meant a 5% price increase is not significant, for what you get for it!

Very impressive performance numbers for the base model C7.

I agree that it isn't a significant cost increase for what you get. I'm talking about a significant performance upgrade from what GM is calling the 'standard' Stingray. They should (and probably will at some point) post the standard times vs the Z51.

:iagree:

And I know they were trying to get away from "base" terminology. Maybe refer to it as the entry level? Ferrari and Lamborghini have no problems referring to their models like that as a second hand designation. Today's entry level Corvette runs like a scalded dog and not just in a straight line. If Corvettes excite someone in the least little bit, I can't see how the latest info release is not exciting, double negative be damned. But I'm sure some will still find issue with the car.....which at this point is looking like a severe reach/bait posting.

Keep telling yourself that.

In the press release they call it "Standard" corvette. They don't use the word "Base". GM has all along used the term Standard when referencing to the stingray. The idea is that it is not a HI-PO model of the vette. By adding a $2500 package IMO it is still the "Standard" corvette. And its not like they are saying this is the performance you get for 51k, they very clearly state that these results are with the NPP,Z51,Mag ride. They are not hiding anything on this press release. And not to rub it in but Tadge did say that it would be comparable to today’s Z06, and many people on here laughed at that statement. Well these are comparable numbers and as many on here as said the z51C7 and C6Z06 will be only differentiated on the track by the driver..

Really man! They posted numbers that are faster than the Z06. The only difference is who the driver of the car is. That is the very defintion of "Driver's Race"

Should be a fun comparo and I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen from one of the notable car reviewers.

Did not read the whole thread, did Mero post these times?

Take a look at this page and note that they have different times for the standard Corvette vs the GS and other Corvettes. The Z51 is the new GS model.
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-sports-cars.html

Dan, you nailed the 3.8 0-60 from your other thread. You need to quit holding out on your brethren.:rofl: :cheers:

F'in HOMERUN!!!!! :thumbs:

Sam?....Sammy??

OBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSDD????

:D :D

:)

I noticed the the C7 will match the 427 vert 0-60.....:D

Yeah...:D
It really shouldn't surprise anyone. The 427 has the big beefy, floopy steel frame and all. Hell, it's the same frame I have in my old '05 vert!:cool:

Outstanding numbers. I really can't wait to see what the car is capable in the hands of a great driver especially as we add some bolt ons.

I'd also love to say the last grasp of people attacking the C7 because a press release was worded wrong, and this isn't the base car is extremely desperate and funny. :lol:

I expect the next move to be "OK BUT IT'S X YEARS NEWER OF COURSE IT'S FASTER, MINE IS STILL BESTEST AND CHEAPER AND HAS ROUND TAIL LIGHTS"

While I agree that the Z06 and C7 performance is close enough that in certain situations that it could be a drivers race, but what performace C7 figures did GM release that are faster than the Z06's? Please don't say the lap time because GM has not released a factory Z06 lap time at VIR that I know of.

I don't know that GM said so but I would expect it was the case.

I was refering to lap times at VIR which show the C7 as faster than the Z06. I do realize that the C7 had a better driver driving in all likelyhood. But this is what I mean by a driver's race. On a road course the cars will be close and the better driver will win the race.

1985 you know if nothing else I tell it like it is. LOL
Still looking forward to rolling up on one with my 427 so I can "expose" my round tail lights to the unfortunate driver.

I disagree. Look at the R/T test. Their '12 Z06 weighed in at 3310lb without driver. Test weight is the 175lb driver.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...51ba6b2de4.pdf

Bravo GM!!!

Let's do some math here, the ZL1 in lightning lap with C&D test drivers did a 2:57.5, in the hands of GM pilot did a 2:52.4.

That's a 5 second difference.

So let's add 5 seconds to the time of the Z51 and it's an estimated 2:56.7 for C&D drivers.


HOWEVER, the Z51 is not on MPSC, so you have to give it back 2-3 seconds for the addition of MPSC's to compare apples to apples with the ZR1 and Z07.

My analysis is the Z51 on equal tires with the Z07 and ZR1 is 2:53.xx-2:54.xx making it about even with the Z07. On skinny tires!!!!

The widebody on wide tires with more HP should rule everything on the track.

Like I said. BRAVO!!!!

The tests I've seen for the 427's have been 11.9-12.2 in the 120-122 mph range. If GM is listing 119 mph for the C7, that's a virtual wash that will be in the hands of the driver. IMO, if a 427 owner thinks they are going to waltz away from a C7, they are probably mistaken especially if it's an A6 car.
S.

Thank you Heath. I am assuming you are correct, and all the times being posted are magazine posts so it is fair to say the comp times will be slower unless the mag drivers are as good as Mero.

I think the magazines will get the straightline times pretty close, they usually do. It's when things get twisty where Mero starts to shine.

Either way, a C7 'Vert trapping 118-119mph isn't far away from the 427 trapping 120-121mph.

As a comparison the German Mag " Sport Auto" on the new Porsche 911 Carrera S..( 145K euros ~ 180K$)

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/po...05.html?show=4


0-62 mph - 4.2 sec

62-0 braking - 109' 11'' ( had carbon ceramics brakes )

The curb wt was 3300 lbs

Cheers

I wonder if a C6 Grand Sport will pick up 4-5 mph of trap speed by running the C7's Michelins.
:lolg:

And yes, a ~2 mph trap speed difference is very negligible. You can see a 2 mph variance between passes, same day, same track same driver very easily.
S.

While I agree the OE sport seats should be used, I'd guess we should await drive impressions before we write off the seats. The seat bottoms look sorta flat, but combined with the alcantara and wider shoulder bolsters and stiffer seat frame, they should be a significant improvement.


Autoweek have already issued a retraction BTW:
"Correction: An earlier version of this story asserted that the Corvette that lapped VIR was stripped and modified with a racing seat and harness. In fact, the car was stock with the exception of the racing seat and harness. Autoweek apologizes for the error."

So, basically the same setup as GM's previous Corvette test cars.

not according to this vid start looking at 59:00

On GM's site back in 2009 they said the curb weight of the Z06 was 3175 lbs. That's for a 1LZ with no options.

But the actual weight of my 2009 Z06 with 2LZ, NAV and chrome spiders is 3228, and I have never weighed my car.

How do I know that my 2009 Z06 weighs 3228 lbs? GM says so, right on my car. That weight includes the options, etc that add weight to the base car.

Not to shabby at all

What am I looking for?

Now we know why the C7 has these funky tailights -- so Lamborghini owners can easily identify who just passed them. :)

Pretty impressive. FWIW, according to GM's own press release, the car tested did not have the optional dual mode exhaust, it was the 455/460 spec. Doubt the extra 5 ponies would change things much, but they wouldn't hurt

"The 2014 Corvette Stingray coupe goes on sale in the third quarter of 2013 for a suggested starting retail price of $51,995, excluding tax, title, and license fees. The $2,800 Z51 Performance Package includes an electronic limited-slip differential; dry-sump oiling system; integral brake, differential and transmission cooling; as well as a unique aero package that further improves high-speed stability. Magnetic Ride Control with Performance Traction Management is a $1,795 option. A Corvette Stingray equipped like the test car used at VIR would cost $56,590."

NPP would add $1195, for a toal of $57,785

At about 101:00 Mero starts talking about the fire bottles and data equipment and the weight it adds.

And how is that contrary to what I posted?

That's fine Joe.

All I was trying to explain was the reason for the slower times for the '12 Z06 test posted on the first page was because of weight gain. Car and Driver, Road and Track, and Motor Trend all tested the '12 Z06 Centennial at around 3300lb without driver, which is a little heavier than the first '06 Z06s.

What your Z06 weighs really didn't have much to do with what I was talking about.

Sam is too busy talking about how much performance the C7 lacks to be concerned with facts.

I've always found it entertaining people like Sam who complain about the "lack" of performance when talking about the C7. But are the same people who bought a GS. Buying a GS is the basically buying a Z06.. without the extra performance. You get all of the looks.. without that messy extra power.

Most interesting to me was that those Z06's had the Z07 option and while they are the most heavy Z06's, they were the fastest Z06's around a road course.

If I'm not mistaken you were comparing the weight of the 2012 Z06 that the rag weighed against the GM published curb weight of the 2006 Z06 that is without any options.

On my car the options increased the weight by 53 pounds. Unless the car weighed by the rag was a base 2012 Z06 with zero options then comparing the two is meaningless. Do you know what options the 2012 Z06 had that the rag weighed?

Do you know what the weight of a 2006 is with the options that the 2012 Z06 has that was weighed by the rag?

That's like comparing my weight in just my briefs to someone else's weight wearing full winter clothes including a parka. You can't compare our weights unless we are both dressed the same.

Data recording gear in the C7 during VIR testing and the 2:51.78 lap...
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/4669/rgd1.jpg
S.

Because weight isnt everything. Its only part of the overall equation.

-Sent from my Nissan GTR

I really don't see what you're trying to argue about. Seriously.

Exactly my point, despite being the heaviest, they are the fastest around a road course. See what I did there?..:thumbs:

http://image.vetteweb.com/f/33365546...afety-gear.jpg
"Here’s a look at the safety gear added to the ZR1’s cabin, including Sparco racing seats, a harness bar, data equipment, and a fire bottle (not shown)."
http://www.vetteweb.com/lifestyle/ve.../photo_04.html

Jan Magnussen in the C6Z at its original 'Ring test:
http://www.janmagnussen.com/Gallery/.../791407324.jpg

Not so different from other Corvette test cars, just like I stated.

Kappa I agree, especially if it's an auto. The twisty time by Mero could easily be 2plus seconds faster though and if the other times posted are done by mag writers it won't fare as well.

As for the 427 vs. the 7 do we know if the numbers were with an auto?

As many expected the c7 z51 performance is a near equal to the already impressive 427 convertible.

I'm sure you would agree Big Dan 427

I do agree Jerri. The C7 appears to be a true performer, THERE I SAID IT!! lol
And yes Kappa I used exclamations points...haha.
And how come only 1985 gave me credit for being the first to report 3.8 in the 0-60 category. I would have though the forum would be throwing me a party. :-)

Why quote that nonsense when you have the Official GM stats for the '12 right online (Google is your friend):

http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-z0...res-specs.html

2012 Corvette Z06 Technical Specifications
two-door hatchback coupe with fixed roof; rear-wheel drive

Construction: composite and carbon-fiber body panels, hydroformed aluminum frame with aluminum and magnesium structural and chassis components

Engine: 7.0L V-8 LS7 (Z06)

Displacement (cu in / cc): 427 / 7008

Bore & stroke (in / mm): 4.125 x 4 / 104.8 x 101.6

Block and Head material: cast aluminum

Compression ratio: 11.0:1

Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm): 505 / 377 @ 6300*

Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm): 470 / 637 @ 4800*

Recommended fuel: premium required

EPA estimated fuel economy (city / hwy): 15 / 24 (manual)

Transmission: six-speed manual

Traction control: electronic traction control; Active Handling

Brakes: front and rear power-assisted disc with ABS with six-piston front and four-piston rear calipers, cross-drilled rotors; ceramic rotors w/ Z07 pkg.

Wheel size:

front: 18-inch x 9.5-inch (std); 19-inch x 10-inch (w/ Z07 pkg.)

rear: 19-inch x 12-inch (std); 20-inch x 12-inch (w/ Z07 pkg.)

Tires:

front: 275/35ZR18 (std.); 285/30ZR19 (w/ Z07 pkg.)

rear: 325/30ZR19 (std.); 335/25ZR20 (w/ Z07 pkg.)

Curb weight (lb / kg): 3199 / 1451

Weight distribution (% front / rear): 50 / 50 (Z06)

The article YOU quoted said "In fact, the car was stock with the exception of the racing seat and harness"

obviously there is a lot more there than that. look at the pic in post #144 does that look like only a racing seat and harness?

If you had a problem with the article, why not highlight or quote the article, rather than quoting my entire post? My point was that it is really no different from GM's other test cars, and I explicitly stated as such. The important thing about the Autoweek correction is not the omission of the data logging equipment and fire system. The important thing is that the car was not stripped (ie, removal of A/C, nav, sound system, carpeting, sound insulation, etc.), which is what they had originally stated or suggested.

Great numbers. Can't wait to see the specs of the hi-po version!

This is silly on 2 fronts. First, the Z51 is not available with the Z06 tire. So it's performance is what it is, nothing more or less. It is probably 3-4 sec slower, period. It has a slight advantage among mediocre drivers due to eDiff, but that is far outweighed by the enormous disadvantage in brakes. 2 things matter in racing: power and brakes. The Z07 has a lot more of both than the Z51.

Second, the "MPSC" runflat on the Z07 is not a real Michelin PSC. The tread pattern is similar, but the compounds and tires structure are totally different for obvious reasons.

The Z51 tire and the Z07 tire are in fact very close in performance. There would be no improvement in performance if the MPSC ZP were offered in Z51 sizes, or even if you threw a set of the Z07 wheels on the Z51.

It's a free country, man. I posted up Autoweek's correction and posted a factually correct assertion that the C7 test car is not really different from other test Corvettes at all. Not sh*tting anything up.

Car and Driver should have one in the next months issue............... Nice numbers.

Good question. You tell us. What ever it is you are looking for here on CF, you apparently put a lot of time and effort into it, monitoring threads, cutting and pasting road tests, quotes, articles, etc., storing and organizing associated files, in order to have extensive information at your finger tips to compile very detailed posts, some of which are quite good but predominantly are no more than distractions and not really of much interest to the average Corvette enthusiast.

:iagree:

The reason GM uses a race seat has nothing to do with how go or bad the stock seat are. The race seat is used for safety with the 5pt harness. A 5pt harness should always be used with a fixed back seat. Adjustable back seats can break in a crash and allow a person to slip out of the belts.

I suggest you re-read the OP. Clearly, there is an interest to how the Corvette performs compared to the Porsche.
I'm a sports car enthusiast, and am interested in discussing the Corvette. I also have posted articles about Corvettes that members have not seen elsewhere, and have helped people with color combos.
If you had read my follow-up, instead of trying to turn this into a personal matter, you'd see I was looking for the info that contradicted what I said (that this C7 is really no different from past Corvette test cars).

I noticed sam90lx hasn't even touched this thread. I looked through EVERY page.

-Alex

I guess "a lot more" is ~45-50 more rated horsepower and no torque advantage. Regarding the brakes, GM has already stated that the C7 has 6% more swept area than the GS/Z06. No "enormous disadvantage" seen there either.
S.

Guibo is sincerely interested in the furtherance of the Corvette's cause. He's really misunderstood. He often brings up the Porsche because he knows it's the man to beat. That's my take on him. That said, he is on my ignore list for different reasons.

Its only a matter of time:yesnod::lol:

Nobody gives a **** about your Porsche-nuthugging nonsense in this thread. This thread is about the performance numbers that GM released for the C7 today, not for you to prance in here banging the drum for Porsche.
S.

Nah - it's "only" 10% more power - and besides, we all know torque wins races - NOT!

You cannot be serious. The Z07 has CARBON brakes. Huge advantage over iron rotors. It's like comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari. Come on man, I know you know better...

Why would he be anxious to post in this thread.

I havent met a person yet who is happy to admit that they were completely wrong.

Gmumd48 == "nobody?"
What Porsche-nuthugging nonsense did I post?

Because its not nonsense.

Somewhat OT but as far as weight of the car...

I was dead set against weight and preying for a 3k weight. I'm not concerned much at all anymore. Let's look at the Camaro for a minute as an example of why.

We all know the Camaro is a fat pig ESPECIALLY the ZL1 with even bigger wheels, brakes, coolers and a blower on top of it all.
The ZL1 weighs 4,120 lbs. Not a typo.
The ZL1 runs 7:41 around the ring. Not a typo
The ZL1 runs a 2:52.3 around VIR. Not a typo (1 second slower than Z51)
The ZL1 weighs over 800 lbs more than the Z51 and it's almost as fast.

YES the ZL1 has gobs of power and the long stretch of the ring lets powerful cars capitilize on it, but you can't run a time that great without being able to handle VERY good. The ring is ver narrow at points especially considering you're doing 150 or so...

The 1LE which was basically an SS with different tires, and mild suspension improvements. 5 seconds faster around VIR than the Boss LS which is a lot more track oriented. 1LE is even cheaper, and only about 5 seconds lower than the ZL1 despite having well over 150hp less. The base SS basically sucks, so it just goes to show you with the right setup, you can make anything handle.

If you wan't to argue back again that it's just the power, the GT500 has almost 100 hp more than the ZL1 and is around 250 lbs lighter than the ZL1, Ford went to the ring to try to get a better time and couldn't do it. Never announced numbers.

SO these are totally different cars and I'm not comparing the two at all but it goes to show you the added weight of the car and the Z51 package doesn't really mean anything. Especially when it's adding things that help. This car will be much better and faster than before etc etc

And anybody who has tracked a car knows that stating it's only "power and brakes" knows better.
I was reading your post as comparing to a Z06, not a Z07, so my bad. I concede that a carbon ceramic brake will have an advantage on the track. But unless so equipped with that $7500 package, I do not think the GS or Z06 have a braking advantage over the C7 Z51 cars.

And FWIW...it's funny how the C7 comparison has, in one day, completely leap-frogged the Grand Sport and gone right to the Z06.
:lol:
S.

Sorry.

What I meant to say was THE LS3 WILL BE JUST AS FASTEST WITH DIFFERENT TIRES AND STILL BESTEST!!!!

The Carbon brakes show their advantage in pedal feel and modulation, and also in better thermal performance and durability over many laps as things heat up.

For that one single fast lap though - you're not necessarily limited by the iron rotors. The reason is that the limiting factor for stopping distance on that first fast lap is tire friction. You'll go into full ABS with either the iron rotors or the ceramics on that first fast lap, and at that point tire friction with the pavement will determine available stopping distance.




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^ This!

Funny - I was about to precede my comments with "anyone who races knows that..." but I did not want to appear condescending. I know many racers and few would disagree with me. I do track my cars - a lot. Even have some SCCA wins here and there... I did leave out weight, but that seemed obvious and is a minus anyway for the Z51.

I can't disagree with this. Good point.

isn't the Z51-equipped car they submitted as the test vehicle a little different than a true "Stingray, base car?" maybe it's not any faster tho.

Did "The Math"!
 

First of all, like I have said OnPoint is GM Corvette Marketing somehow!:D

Second, the article as written has:

The Base:

12s, 3.8s, 107'

The integral brakes are on the Z51 = -11' or 96'
Launch control is missing on the base...
Split torque and eLSD is missing on the base...

Finally, GM is doing a Chinese number on the price to nail the business!:thumbs:

:woohoo:

:rock:

Nobody is trying to be condescending, but you want to single out two data point advantages that the Z06 has (only when equipped with the Z07 package in the case of the brakes) as the sole determining factors for the Z06 being a better car.
I would submit that balance, grip, feel and a number of other small factors play large roles as well.

As I stated, it's funny how the Grand Sport is now being completely ignored in comparison to the C7 now that some real performance numbers have been released by GM. The comparison is now turning to GM's track-focused Z06 that starts at ~$77k. :lol:
S.

Great point. The MPSC is not a true "R compound" tire. The Pirelli Trofeo is a true R compound tire, and has a wear rating of 60!

Yes, ceramic rotors will begin begin outperforming steel rotors only after many hard laps. For one to three laps at VIR, it is essentially the same, but during a 30 minute session, the ceramics will be better. You could argue that the steel rotors are better for the first lap because ceramics need a lot of heat in them to work perfectly.

Even if you add three seconds to GM's time (factory driver, perfect car set-up etc.), this is still an incredibly fast time. The C7 Z51 is a performance bargain for track enthusiasts.

Every time I think about getting my C7 on the track (next summer :() I get giddy :D

It didn't even have the extra 5 ponies :lol: I'm sure that would have meant the lap time would have been 2:51.75 :D

Obssssssssssd is looking to pawn his GS as we post :)

Sam is hugging his steam roller tires.....thats all he has left to talk about :)

OK, OK... let's not poke the bears. It's more fun when there is less negativity :thumbs:

Of course, but in my opinion, the C6 and C7 are pretty similar in that respect: weight, performance tires, weight distribution. So in my mind, the power and brakes of the Z07 are, or should be the salient advantages.

The published lap time seems good, but it is really meaningless without a direct comparison, which we do not have. Hence my point earlier that it would be nice if GM would publicize Milford lap times for all these cars, which I know they have in detail by track segment for all their performance cars from the CTS-V to the ZR-1. That is the only way to know where the different models stack up. All the rest is supposition.

That said, I would fully expect that the C7Z51 would be quicker than the GS (my guess is by about 2 sec) and 3-4 behind the Z07. If these number hold up in real world testing, the Z51 will be a great value.

12.0 @ 119 mph is pretty impressive. (I haven't read this whole thread, so assume that is what the results were)

In good air, you'll quickly see guys up around 122 mph pretty quick.... put in a good loose converter in an Auto and some sticky tires and low 11's and even tickling the high 10's might be possible with virtually no other modifications. That's pretty impressive, especially considering its the base version. :cool:

That's why I put "base" in quotes, it's got the Z51 package which technically isn't the base car but thats what GM is calling it. :cool:

Its amazing that so many "nits" can be picked by a few on the Forum. :cheers: to GM for giving us a higher performing generation of Vettes. :yesnod: I can't wait to get one. :cool: As far as the Porches are concerned they will be seeing the Camaro like tailights of the C7, for sure. :yesnod: :lol:

Again... semantics... I see the Z51 as an "option" but that's me. Given it's only $2800 more, it doesn't really matter if it's an option or a different model.

1.

Chevrolet Corvette ZR1

2:45.63

'08

647 / 1530

Jim Mero



2.

Mosler MT900S

2:45.90

'11

558 / 1174

Car&Driver



3.

Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR

2:48.60

'08

600 / 1536




4.

Mosler MT900S Photon

2:49.80

'12

558 / 1135

Car&Driver



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Ferrari 458 Italia

2:49.90

'09

570 / 1485

C&D



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C7 Z51

2:51.70

'13



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Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera

2:51.80

'10

570 / 1430




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KTM X-Bow

2:52.30

'08

241 / 871




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Chevrolet Camaro ZL1

2:52.38

'12

588 / 1838

Aaron Link



10.

Nissan GT-R

2:53.20

'11

530 / 1736




11.

Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package

2:53.50

'11

512 / 1394




12.

Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce

2:53.90

'09

670 / 1664

Mark Gillies



13.

Ferrari 430 Scuderia

2:54.60

'07

510 / 1402




14.

Lexus LFA

2:55.10

'10

560 / 1609

C&D



15.

Nissan GT-R

2:55.60

'08

480 / 1740




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Porsche 911 GT3 RS

2:55.90

'10

450 / 1400




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Dodge Viper SRT-10

2:57.40

'08

612 / 1567




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Porsche 911 Turbo S

2:57.50

'10

530 / 1585

I don't care what it's called, but it sure is a great deal.

If your one this forums "Tough Guys"!
 

And you don't need all the "Nannies" and stuff? Just call it a Stingray!:rofl:

(3.8s, 12.0s, 107')

:rock:

Where are all the haters???? Suddenly the GS crowd quietly slithers away and the C6 Z06 crowd is in here in droves!

This is great news for GM, if your impressing the Z06 folks.....your doing it right.

thanks! I did miss the significance of your other post. It does make me wonder: what would the true "base" car do for similar stats? can't be too much different, but different it would be.

all that said, the stats for the Z51 Stingray are very impressive. it should be a heckuva riding car, probably in any format.

No its not.

When you go to GM's online configurator, the Grand Sport is actually another model, just like the Z06 and ZR1. There are 4 models to pick from.

For the C7 (now the configurator isnt out yet) I seriously doubt it will show two models - Z51 and non - and then you pick your options for each. It'll be Stingray that you select as the model, then you pick your colours and options, with one of them being the Z51.

Question - is the Z06 with Z07 package a separate model? How many C6 models do we have then? lol

Let them all jump up and down with their pom poms....when the cars are out for solid testing we will see the true numbers!

Theoretical Ring time!
 

Based on the 911S times!

(Rounded)

~178(2'58")/~6' = ~458(7'38")/x ; x=~15'

7'38"-15" = 7'23" :eek:

If only:rofl:

:lurk:

They need to pump up interest / sales on the C7...they know what they are doing.

I agree!!! GM is exaggerating and the truth will eventually come out!! Unfortunately, the truth is exactly what you see... sorry to disappoint. Sam... you really are a piece of work :ack: Why are you here other than to annoy everyone else... wait... that's EXACTLY why you are here! :thumbs:

Although I say that somewhat in jest, at some point you really need to give up on trying to turn everything into something it isn't. You were screaming for numbers, now you have them and it is all too predictable that you will discount them because they prove you were overly pessimistic all along. You can make up all of the excuses you want, discount the published results, pick apart the car and stir sh!t all you like but you just lose credibility more and more. When you are really ready to upgrade performance wise, the good news is you don't need to wait for the C7 Z06... you can simply get a C7 Z51 :thumbs:

Now... off to celebrate with my pom poms!

Like all you girls are going to use that crazy 455 hp? Rest assured my next ride will be well north of 500 hp....455 is a joke!