12 sec 1/4 1.03G 3.8-60 and VIR in 2.51.7 60-0 107Ft good numbers
 

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/130619791

Now hows that in comparison to the C6-Z06 and the 911s Hmmm

Now heres Chris Harris Driving a F type against a Porsche and an Aston ( Porsche doesn't win )
Wonder what the Corvette will do !

http://flatsixes.com/cars/porsche-vs...ZXfkBdx2I5gG0L

I'll help you out.

That's a pretty fast car.

Is that accurate? That's basically dead even with the current ZR1 on PS2's and a second slower than the Z on Sport Cups.

:cool:

Yes it's accurate. Don't compare to Car and Driver's times because they are slower than Jim Mero. I think the Z06 on GYII's ran something like 2:50 and the ZR1 on PS2's was in the high 2:40's with GM drivers.

http://carfanaticsforum.com/images/smilies/badass.gif

compare

MOTOR TREND

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...ps11e63636.jpg

why is the braking distance so bad??? WTF?

107' for 60 is actually good for a car. My guess is there is a difference in tires. The compound or something is different because the lateral G force is lower too. The tires matter quite a lot in braking performance. There could also be a difference in the surface they were stopping on or the track temperature. A lot of things affect stopping distance.


EDIT: The Centennial Edition Z06 has upgraded brakes over a C6.

Tire Size, Front: 285/20ZR19
Tire Size, Rear: 335/25ZR20
Brakes, Front: 15.5-in vented, drilled, carbon-ceramic disc/6-piston, ABS
Brakes, Rear: 15.0-in vented, drilled carbon-ceramic disc/4-piston, ABS

A base 2012 C6 is something like 128'

11.90's for a Z06 is a horrible time. What did they do, drag an anvil behind it?! Just check the Z06 fast list, it's gone much quicker than 11.90

11.9 is okay for a average driver on stock tires. There are traction issues with the Z06 at launch and it takes a lot of practice to get it right. I have raced many C6 Z06 in my modded C5 at the drag strip and they will get down to mid 11's with practice and down into the 10's with real tires.

If you think those times are bad, you would be stunned with what the ZR1's turn in the 1/4 mile. They are not much faster than a lot of the Z06s because they have no traction in the first two gears.

Usually the magazine are a better representation of your average driver in a car, not people like Ranger or Fartpipe that can put a ZR1 in the 10's bone stock.

The Z06/Z07's were a good bit heavier than the early Z06's.

The numbers look good, but I'm surprised at the stopping distance. I would have thought it would be about the same as a current GS which most list at about 101 feet.

2012 Grand Sport is listed at 112'
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...l#.UcME85zNnMI

That lap time is impressive, very impressive.

I knew this car was going to be a beast!!

Cant believe people doubted it. Like I've been saying from the start.. C7 will deliver C6Z06-like performance (12 sec 1/4, 1.03G skidpad, 3.8-60 and VIR in 2.51.7)

I never expected the C7 to outperform the C6Z. But it definitely makes it a drivers race between the two vehicles.

Thanks for sharing! As long as it's better than the Grand sport I guess this makes since. Can we confirm or deny that it is in fact better at stopping than the GrandSport?

What I found interesting is that the Z06 Carbon/Centennial was essentially only one of 20 cars that can do 60-0 in < 100'

That brings another interesting point out: The Base C7's rear tires are the same width as the C6 Z06's front tires. :eek:

Doesn't it really matter at this point? On the road or track, the C7 is going to be the quicker car. :cool:

The official GM number for the Z06 is 11.7 @ 125 mph. Plus on the fast list there are 20 drivers who have run 11.60's or better, stock car on stock tires.

No doubt about it the C7 with the Z51 package is very fast, 12 flat for a "base" car is nothing to sneeze at. Makes you wonder what they have in store for the higher performing versions.

I totally agree - I'm sure we will have people in the high/mid 11's with the C7 on a good day with a good driver. 119mph trap is almost what I wanted :)

Damnnn. Now I am reconsidering the C7

Great performance for the Stingray.

Nice to see.

2.51 is a great lap time. Although VIR Grand is a long racetrack, the Grand Course cuts the long back straightaway in half, and for a good part of the track, there are many short acceleration zones where the midrange torque of the Stingray will be predominant in getting from apex to apex. The Stingray probably gave up some time on the long front straight to the ZR1 and Z06, which means it was very fast on other parts of the track, to be able to come as close to ZR1/Z06 times as it did.



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Actually, the Z07 option didn't add any weight to the Z06. The Z06/Z07 also has much better tires then the base Z06 and pulls a 1.13g. Just replacing the OE Goodyears with Bridgestones on my Z06 made a significant improvement in acceleration as I was getting some traction in first and second gears, while at the same time doubling the tire life. The Bridgestones are not some super duper drag radial, yet grip better than the OE Goodyears. Z06's fitted with Michelin Super Sports are worlds above the Z06 on the OE Goodyears.

I didn't say the Z07 option made it heavier. I said the cars themselves ie the '12 Z06/Z07 was heavier than the early Z06s. MT's test weight was 3320 compared to the early cars being in the 3100lb range.

Was just going to highlight a lot of what you said. I am amazed.

I didn't think the car would be 12 flat and didn't think it would be that quick around VIR....

I am IMPRESSED. This car is flat out awesome.

Autoweek couldn't even paraphrase a press release correctly:

http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...,1502372.story

:thumbs::D:thumbs::D:thumbs::D

I am suspicious of a 12 flat ET. I am thinking that they are saying it runs in the twelve second range. Do not get me wrong it is just odd sounding to an old drag racer. Even 12.09 would sound more realistic. How close to 11.99 is 12 flat? I think I will wait and see other test. My gut feeling is the car will run the low twelves. I am buying the C7 but I do not give a rats behind if it goes 12.47 or 12.11...

Lets not forget how amazing this part is:

"The $2,800 Z51 Performance Package includes an electronic limited-slip differential; dry-sump oiling system; integral brake, differential and transmission cooling; as well as a unique aero package that further improves high-speed stability. Magnetic Ride Control with Performance Traction Management is a $1,795 option. A Corvette Stingray equipped like the test car used at VIR would cost $56,590."

A friend of mine just paid $50k for a used low milage 2009 Z06 in December. Had he waited 7-8 months he could have a NEW 2014 C7 with MSRC + PTM for a few bucks more. The price of the C7 is just as amazing as the Z06-like performance.

That's very impressive for a base model C7. I think it's going to be proven that the C7's not only handle better than the big-tired GS's, but handily out-accelerate them too.
On the "Showroom Stock LS3 Fast List", only two cars hit 119 mph (and no Grand Sports were anywhere close). IMO, we're going to see these cars in the mid-high 11's pretty easily in nice DA at a well-prepped track. And they should be very solid on a road course.
S.

I noticed that in the AW article too, then read the press release. Nothing at all wrong with sticking a racing seat and harnesses in the car.
S.

119 mph would pretty easily support a ~12.0 ET, especially if it was an automatic car.
S.

Wow... great track times. I've said before that 0-60, etc aren't important to me but the 2:51 at VIR is important and incredibly impressive. Hopefully this puts the "will the C7 be faster" debate to bed. Nothing more to see here folks, move along :D

The base car without the Z51 package might actually trap 120+ MPH given the weight advantage. This is exciting stuff!

The times shown are for a Z51 equipped C7, not the base model C7. You can expect the times for a base model C7 to be .2-.3 seconds slower 0-60 and the in 1/4 than the Z51 equipped C7, and lower g's around the skid pad.

The base c7 with z51 is faster than the Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera! Below are all cars under 3:00


Lap times (128)

Pos Make / Model Time Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:45.63 '08 647 / 1530 Jim Mero
2. Mosler MT900S 2:45.90 '11 558 / 1174 Car&Driver
3. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.60 '08 600 / 1536
4. Mosler MT900S Photon 2:49.80 '12 558 / 1135 Car&Driver
5. Ferrari 458 Italia 2:49.90 '09 570 / 1485 C&D
*** Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z51 2:51.70 14'
6. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 '10 570 / 1430
7. KTM X-Bow 2:52.30 '08 241 / 871
8. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 2:52.38 '12 588 / 1838 Aaron Link
9. Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 '11 530 / 1736
10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 2:53.50 '11 512 / 1394
11. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 2:53.90 '09 670 / 1664 Mark Gillies
12. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2:54.60 '07 510 / 1402
13. Lexus LFA 2:55.10 '10 560 / 1609 C&D
14. Nissan GT-R 2:55.60 '08 480 / 1740
15. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:55.90 '10 450 / 1400
16. Dodge Viper SRT-10 2:57.40 '08 612 / 1567
17. Porsche 911 Turbo S 2:57.50 '10 530 / 1585
18. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 2:57.50 '12 588 / 1838 C&D
19. Ariel Atom 3 2:57.60 '08 300 / 456 Mark Gillies
20. Mercedes SLS AMG 2:58.00 '10 571 / 1620
21. Mercedes C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series 2:58.00 '11 517 / 1748 C&D
22. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 2:58.20 '05 513 / 1437
23. Chevrolet Camaro 1LE 2:58.34 '12 432 / 0 Chevrolet Test Driver
24. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 2:58.48 '10 558 / 1712 Ford SVT
25. Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C6 2:58.80 '10 436 / 1542
26. Porsche 911 Carrera S 2:58.90 '11 400 / 1415 C&D
27. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 2:59.50 '09 525 / 1620 Dave Vanderwerp


http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html

Well, not to be a wet blanket but...
 

...isn't this news release significantly misleading? I mean, this certainly isn't a 'standard' Stingray. The track time especially would be considerably worse w/o Z51, right?

A 'standard' Stingray wouldn't have the Z51 options. It wouldn't have any rear anti-sway bar at all, would it? It wouldn't have the eLSD...or the larger tires...or the better brakes.

While this is true for experienced drivers in real world situations, the fast list times cannot really be compared to GM official times or mag times. Iirc the GM official time for the Z06 was 11.7, which is a number that should be used to compare to GM's 12.0 number for the C7.

"Base" meaning a non-Z06/ZR1 or similar variant.
And your estimates are nothing but speculation, so I won't "expect" anything. The Z51 will be slightly heavier with different tires and a very slight gearing advantage but I'd guess that a non-Z51 1LT car would be quicker.
S.

I fully expect this thread to be 18 pages by the time I get home from work. :cool:

No its not. GM times are faster than C/D's time by a lot. Head to head its probably not that close.

Probably a good guess...:D

On the drag strip or the track or both?

It is mostly speculation... We wil read all the opinions, including mine, and then wait and see for some better testing. Head to head on the same track on the same day. Apples to apples.

You tell me; if the Z51 is not quicker than the base model, why offer it as an option, and why would people pay more for that option if they are not going to see any better performance over the base non Z51 model?

I would like to see more track data before drawing conclusions. 1/4 ET normally would be in the form of 12.X and not simply "12 seconds". Trap speed is better than the GS and low 12's sounds about right. Preliminary numbers look impressive so far.

Exactly the reason I don't put much faith in the rags. They take a press release and then rewrite it to make it sound as if they know something, when they don't, and end up with spreading a bunch of BS that some people take as gospel.

FAIL. There are no C7 Z06/ZR1 variants, just the base model and the optional Z51 model, thus the base model C7 is a non Z51 equipped model, not a non Z06/ZR1 model.

Quicker on a drag strip is what he means.

Z51 is a track package, guys that just want to go straight would be better served with a lighter weight non-Z51.

Around a track, the Z51 additions will make it quicker.

In the link it states 12.0 @ 119.

Bingo.

The Z51 package is designed for extra performance on a road course (road course = corners). On a road course handling & braking are as if, if not more, important than straightline acceleration & top speed. That is the reason for the closer gear ratio, stiffer suspension, eLSD, extra cooling and bigger brake rotor upgrade in the Z51 package.

The Z51 package was not designed to make the car quicker/faster in a straight line acceleration race or test.

I would love to see a head-to head with a 2013 Z06, same day, drivers and track, as delivered from BG. The C7 seems awfully close, probably very hard to distinguish in everyday driving, and all that for $56K (meaning VERY affordable in 8 years when I get my beautifully maintained 2014 from one of you "early adopters.") Plus, you get the targa and all the other upgrades (particularly the seats.)

There has a lot of trash talk on both sides in this section; pretty much unsubstantiated by any actual performance data. Seems to me it will now boil down to individual interpretations of what "significantly better" is when comparing the Z51 C7 to the C6 Z06. I think the marginal (to my ability to distinguish, and I bet many others) Z06 advantage will be much more important to the track-oriented guys, as would be expected...and the Z51 C7 will be an amazing track performer in its own right.

If this car traps 119mph, that screams 11's all day long with the right driver. I'm VERY impressed with what GM brought to the table, and it's much closer to Z06 performance than I thought, and spanks the GS harder than I expected as well

I have to agree with Joe on this one. The times are not for a 'standard' or 'base' Stingray. They are for the new C7 Z51 'model', with a significant increase in price. Maybe they should do it all over again without the Z51 equipment and see what they get.

Don't get me wrong, I think these times are great and great value for the money but just don't call them 'standard' Stingray times.

C'mon, Joe (and Ox), stop nitpicking. If you put optional wheels, or other options, on a BASE model car, it is still the BASE model. Z51 is an option (and pretty reasonable, at that), NOT a different model.

Here go the semantics again. How close will the $56K Z51 C7 have to perform vs. your ~$75K(?) Z06 for you to say "nearly identical" or "comparable?" The same? A tenth here and there? Or, said another way, once all the testing and comparisons are complete, what adjective will you use to describe the Z06's performance advantage, which I am willing to go on the record right now and describe as "small?"

:iagree:

if it were indeed 12.0x... they would of listed it that way.

Still though...

[in the voice of Darth Vader] Imperssive ! [/Vader]

The best way for everybody who says that the z51 can't possibly be able to hit 12.0 is by buying the friggin car and taking it to the track. Then do the most important thing....practice, practice, practice. I personally don't care how fast it is in the 1/4 mile, how many times on a daily basis are you going to be drag racing? Plus the other thing to think about.....will be the top HP for the base? Or will GM offer a faster model like they did in 08? If so then an extra 30 ponies would be worth waiting for. What I like is the braking capabilities, with that kind of torque curve I know those brakes will be handy. One last thing to consider....those blind spots are HORRENDOUS!!!!! Will GM be putting in blind spot indicators when switching lanes?

You seem to be under the impression that the Z51 is a separate model, when in fact it is simply a base model C7 with the Z51 option. Better get your Z51 badges on order.

Exactly. That said, I predict a deja vu thread coming once someone posts a picture of their C7 (optioned with Z51 package) with a Z51 emblem stuck somewhere on the fender. :willy::rofl:

It is a bit of an exaggeration to put in $5000 of options and then call it "base".

But, all auto manufacturers do this. It's just apples to apples and as long as it's called out properly, it's not cheating.


I don't mind. This configuration was what I was going to order anyway. They just proved me right! :)

Adding the Z51 "option" will increase the price of the C7 by 5%.

I dont think many people would consider a 5% increase as "significant".

Great to see some objective performance numbers trickling out. There is always going to be something a little quicker on paper here and there. A 1/10th here or there in a 1/4-mile run is not nearly as important to me as the entire C7 Z51 package and how well balanced it is. I am very happy to hear they improved the subjective traits as well. I always felt the C6 was missing just a touch of steering feedback and driver confidence. I am very happy to hear Jim Mero's statements about improved driver feedback and driver confidence. I suspect most drivers will feel more comfortable and confident on unfamiliar roads in a C7 then in a C6. Then factor in the improved seats and interior. The C7 should be more satisfying to drive everyday and at a track. The C7 is among the performance elite. At it's price point it is not just hitting it out of the park, it is probably a Grand Slam. Can't wait to actually drive one.

"The new Stingray constantly communicates feedback to the driver, which makes you feel incredibly confident behind the wheel," said Jim Mero, Corvette vehicle dynamics engineer. "That confidence encourages you to attack each corner because the Stingray drives so well: the tire grip is incredible; the steering response is some of the best I've ever experienced; the Magnetic Ride dampers allow little body roll through the corner, while still soaking up the rumble strips when you clip the apex," he said. "It's just addictive on the track."

other cars at that same track:

Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:45.63 2008
Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.60 2008
Ferrari 458 Italia 2:49.90 2009

Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 2010
Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 2:57.50 2012

though i have no info on whether these cars were 100% factory stock or not.

Weather conditions and traction surface play a significant factor in a NA vehicles acceleration times. The most impressive number is the road course time imho, though a great driver can make a big difference even in the same car as some mentioned.

You may call it nitpicking, I call it being factual.

The Stingray coupe is a model 1YY07.
The Z51 coupe is a model 1YX07.

The Z51 C7 is a different model than the base C7

Funny that still even GM is not pleased to hardcore track driving with original seats; they still suck compared real buckets. Good time but I respect magazine times more.

You make a great point.

Last weekend, I attended in a wedding near Winchester, VA. A location that is sparse mountain roads full of hills, sharp/blind corners & plenty of high speed highway sweepers. I had a choice of vehicles to drive to the wedding, but knowing the roller-coaster-like backroads of that part of VA I purposely took the Vette.

While I still am smiling from the experience of pushing the car (and myself) to the limit on some of those good old country backroads.. I must admit I had quite a few pucker moments were my C6 either twitched around over rough pavement.. or where I simply could not feel what the car & tires were doing. Corvettes have a notorious reputation for having unbelievable grip.. and letting the rear go with little warning. I did my best not to become a statistic and made it home with no incidents. I couldnt help but wonder if my girlfriends G37 coupe would have inspired more confidence on those unfamiliar backroads.

Its great to see that GM has continued to address the numb feedback & twitchiness-on-rough-pavement concerns with their flagship sports car. I look very much forward to the day I trade my C6 for a C7.. and get to enjoy the added performance AND the added confidence!

What are the c7 haters gonna say now?

"I...I don't like the rear end". Well get used to it cause you're gonna see a LOT of it when you race. Suck on that.

hey Blue,

This will give you an indication of how the marketing of the new C5 was handled vs the new C7,

FOR RELEASE: March 3, 1997
CONTACT: Chevrolet Communications
Phone: (800) CHEVY-MI or: (810) 492-8841
Fax: (810) 492-8853

Advertising the All New Chevrolet Corvette

Capitalizing on Corvette “Spies”

WARREN, Mich. - Chevrolet is capitalizing on the intense curiosity surrounding its 1997 fifth-generation Corvette by using a spy theme in its launch advertising, which begins March 7.

The secrecy theme runs throughout TV and print ads, including a unique magazine insert cleverly designed to look like an official Chevrolet dossier of secret 1997 Corvette information.

Spearheading the launch campaign are 30- and 60-second television spots that show industrial spies monitoring the performance of a world-class sports car, only to discover that they have been watching the all-new Corvette that the automotive world has anticipated for months.

“A unique car needs a unique ad campaign,” said Corvette Brand Manager Dick Almond. “These ads pass that test. They are well-targeted at auto enthusiasts who have been eagerly anticipating the all-new Corvette.”

The 60-second spot will begin airing March 7 on network television and in 2,600 movie theaters across the country. Corvette’s high-profile media schedule includes such programs as the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament and Final Four Championship as well as Academy Awards.

“The theater tie-in is appropriate because we wanted to treat the commercial like a movie trailer -- not as just another ad,” said Bill Ludwig, Vice Chairman and Chief Creative Officer of Campbell-Ewald, Chevrolet’s advertising agency. “To get that feel, we needed the experience of an actual feature-film director. We found that talent in Andrew Davis, whose credits include The Fugitive and Under Siege.”

The major print component of the campaign -- the official looking Corvette dossier -- is designed to pique curiosity. Wrapped in a mini manila file folder with “C5 Limited Access” crudely stamped on its cover, the file contains photos of what appear to be internal documents covering the all-new Corvette’s powertrain, performance, structure, materials, suspension and electronics, as well as photos of the car itself.

The dossier-insert has been running in March issues of auto enthusiast and business magazines.

Another print ad -- “Announcing the Death of Speculation” -- was written in conjunction with Corvette Vehicle Line Executive David Hill. The two-page ad completes the story of the new Corvette -- from consumer research to Corvette performance. It will run in the May issue of monthly magazines and in April weeklies.

Other print components of the 1997 Corvette launch include a 44-page dealer showroom brochure and a 120-page collector’s issue of Corvette Quarterly magazine. The magazine will be distributed through major bookstore chains across the country, and sent to Corvette owners and prospective owners.

Corvette advertising will also be featured on the Internet revealing far more than the teaser information that was released just prior to the Corvette’s public debut at the Detroit and Los Angeles auto shows in January.

“That public unveiling was broadcast live worldwide on the Internet,” said Almond. “Our on-line Corvette coverage of the auto show debut generated 17,000 visitors to the Chevrolet website, triple the normal daily volume, and a rate which we were able to sustain for several days thereafter.”

Joe, while you are nitpicking (and I mean this in a complimentary sense, the world needs this attention to detail), did any of the optioned-up Z06's (say the Carbon version, or the one named after the Corvette racing driver, etc), ever have different model numbers for ordering purposes?

If so, your analysis goes bad; if not, I'll give you a few points, but then go back to the premise that a $56K Vette, same as the base model in all respects (no widebody, no added tire width, same HP/torque (I think), retains targa top, etc.) except for some factory performance add-ons, is very competitive with the outgoing $75K+ hard-core performance model. A remarkable achievement by the design team, and something to chew on for the critics.

BTW -- plenty of folks add $10K of stuff to a Z06 and it is still a Z06. I do not think $5K of performance parts creates a separate model despite what they do for ordering purposes. Semantics, again.

At work right now....but when I tell you this thread is going to be SO MUCH fun to read when I get in later tonight after 7pm. Gonna have a beer tonight going through this one.:rofl:




GREAT NUMBERS for the Stingray!!! Never any doubt, only anticipation. GM and Chevrolet deliver, as expected, yet again with a new iteration of Corvette.:cheers:

Incorrect. We've been over this before Kappa. The MT number is with driver, which is not how mfrs measure curb weight. Z07 cars are in anything lighter because of the carbon brakes.

And while we're discussion accuracy of numbers, the early Z06 curb weight was 3150.

:iagree::iagree: with both points. :lurk:

The VIR time was for test mule C7 with a bunch of test equipment inside ( at 59 min point ) ...
Cheers

The C6 is a great car, very capable and tons of fun. I miss mine. It just had a few issues that other brands addressed a little better. The numb feedback and nervousness should be improved greatly. Many of these things made the C6 feel larger then it actually is? Hopefully the C7 has evolved into a even better car that is more nimble. I really think Corvette will pick up buyers of other import sport cars once the C7 is independently tested and reviews are out. Enjoy your great C6 until you are ready for your C7!

They will keep saying the same stuff over and over: They hate the tailights. The C6 is still $15,000 cheaper new. The C6 is more classic & simple. The C6 doesnt have to worry about 1st year bugs & issues.

Only someone trying to justify some other hurried or recent vehicle purchase, believed that the C7 was not going to be a huge upgrade over the C6 in pretty much every measurement. Especially performance. The only thing thats changed with this announcement, is that performance difference is now fact. Unfortunately there will always be some people who tend not to believe facts either.

As others have said you have to be careful when making a comparison to other VIR Grand track times since most of the published times come from the C&D Lightning Lap comparison tests. GM has been able to get much better lap times at VIR with their factory drivers. For comparison the GM factory time for the ZL1 was 2:52.38 while the LL time was 2:57.5. So it would be fair to compare the C7 Z51's 2:51.7 with the ZR1's 2:45.63 and the ZL1's 2:52.38 since they are all factory driver times.

They already have them, they are called side mirrors, maybe if you learn how to set your mirrors properly.............

That's right. Even Jim Mero mentioned this when he was at the bash.

It's too bad we don't have real apples/apples. It would be nice if GM would make a habit of establishing an official lap time at Milford for their cars, but they may consider that too controversial or counter-productive to sales. I'm guessing the Z06/Z07 would be about 3 sec faster on the VIR course than the C7Z51, but the new car certainly seems to put down some impressive numbers for the price. We'll see what the real skinny is once the car is out and winds up in magazine comparos. We can of course expect to hear all about how Chevy uses cheater tires on the Z51 when it clobbers the Porsches and the BMWs around the road course.

While we're nitpicking...swapping out the motorized production seat for a race seat dropped about 25lb, which testing and fire equipment probably added back...

Awesome performance...GM hit it out if the park. Can't wait to see what they do with a high performance Z version.

Quicker on a drag strip, Joe. I thought that was pretty obvious.
The non-Z51 (and I'll refer to it as that from now on since the term "base" was confusing to you) cars will be slightly lightly, with a higher aspect ratio tire and only slightly less gear in them.
I'm sure I don't need to recite all of the additions the Z51 cars get that make them more suitable for road course use.
S.

I'll start referring to them as non-Z51 and Z51 cars since I know you like to nitpick stupid points in order to appear correct.
S.

I recall a formula where you could calculate horsepower if you know the weight and 1/4 mile time and/or speed.

Since we know the 1/4 time and horsepower, we should be able to calculate the C7 weight fairly reasonably.

Sorry, I don't have the formula handy. :shrug:

No, just check the Safe Perimeter option. They'll affix this to your rear:

http://www.truckntow.com/images/Prod...ium/TSM019.jpg

:thumbs:

I've never seen somebody use one of these to calculate weight since it's probably easier to scale the car at the track, but here you go...
http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm
S.

I fully expect them to stay mute. So here's one last reply to them:

http://comedyforanimators.com/wp-con...12/08/PIe2.jpg

Hmmm!?
 

Chevrolet says the new Stingray will stop 11 feet shorter than before, putting its 60-0-mph braking comparable with that of the mighty ZR1, which we measured at 94 feet.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz2WmHS3SKv

The C5 Z06 was 105ft!:ack: Which car did the 107ft?:smash:

:rock:

This new C7 is going to be very, very well received.

yeah i think the braking state is incorrect on the first aritical, seems really low in regards to the orginal hype. I would think closure to 100', but sadly we will have to wait and see untill GM releases their data

911 tested in Motor Trend.
0-60: 3.8
1/4 mile: 12.0 @ 117
Skidpad: 1.03g
60-0: 94'
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

Variables in test conditions, drivers, etc. Should be close enough.

Harris rated the Jag higher for showroom appeal (looks), but explicitly states the Porsche is the better car. He does like big oversteer and manual transmissions, so the C7 might be right up his alley too.

I agree here. A more fair comparison would be to see what Randy pobst turns at Laguna seca in the c7 during motor trend's laguna lap special. Then let schlong comparison begin. And I predict a a low 1:37 lap time there. :)

It is funny that some are now questioning the results on the basis of whether the car is a "standard" car or not. Bottom line is the C7 Z51 is faster on a road course than the C6 GS, the ZL1 and is comparable to the Z06. Call it the standard car or the Z51 package car... whatever floats your boat. The performance is incredibly high given the price of the car. We are all lucky it is going to be available to us.

The rest of the argument is semantics.

yes but don't they mention it will cost just under 57K.

I look at it this way
If you want to track the C7 you will buy it with the Z51 package and exhaust and race seats etc.

If you just want the car to drive daily at the speed limit then that package is just wasted money.

these numbers make me excited again for the C7. Thought for sure it would be a lot slower than a C6 Z06.

Well that clears everything up?
 

By: Angie Fisher on 6/20/2013 :smash:Unclear writing!
The 2014 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray with an available performance package has been rated as the best performing standard Corvette to date.
Base model with performance exhaust!
The 2014 Vette with the performance-exhaust system can make the 0-60 sprint in 3.8 seconds. Braking from 60-0 mph takes just 107 feet, and the Stingray can sustain 1.03g in cornering.

The Corvette equipped with the performance package is priced at $56,590. The Stingray goes on sale this September with a base $51,995 price (including destination charges).
Included!
The $2,800 optional Z51 performance package adds an electronic limited-slip differential; dry-sump oiling system; integral brake, differential and transmission cooling; and aero package.
Extra!
Magnetic Ride Control with Performance Traction Management is a $1,795 option.
This is with everything!
A Corvette with the performance and magnetic ride-control package lapped the 4.2-mile Virginia International Raceway Grand Concourse in 2 minutes, 51.78 seconds. To achieve those figures, the Stingray was stripped to include just a racing seat and harness, and fire extinguisher system.
56590 is everything, but, it was 73k before?

:rofl:

No its not an exaggeration at all, woudl the Z06 with Z07 package no longer be considered a standard Z06 when they quote the Z06's performance?

Auto mags almost always pick all options when quoting performance results of a particular model.

Z51 is not an additional performance model like the C6 grand sport or Z06, its an option to the base model, and therefore the C7 Z51 is indeed base!

All you're doing with these posts is showing how insecure you are about the cheaper C7 performing close to your much more expensive C6.

I will be calling my Z51 C7 the base model, because that's what it is. Nitpicking lettering by GM does not make an option a whole new model lol. :crazy:

but...but...but...it only has 460 horsepower and that's what's more important than these actual performance results. :rofl:

Thanks for the thread to the original poster.

As far as the fact the magazine used the word base car versus standard corvette stingray z51 with MRC is a new low for whining ...

What a great car and exactly how I would order it with the addition of the NPP exhaust....for a total of around 58 grand....or just under 60 large!

Gm outdid themselves with the new c7 z51 with MRC !