Sandbagging on HP...MAYBE
 

Seeing how GM has been somewhat coy regarding certain aspects of the C7 do any of you guys think they may be reserving the real hp numbers? I think it's fair to say that if the car came out rated 480 plus an awful lot of folks would be real happy!:thumbs:

I would say GM is more likely to lowball the final certified number than over estimate. I expect 460.

I'm very curious if the track mode enables a higher rev limit and associated power or something as well. The SAE paper had a graph showing over 7k, and numerous reports from the bash reported someone mentioned 7k in 4th. Contrasting that is all the official information from GM so far has said and shown 6600rpm. Either there is a pretty big surprise in store for the C7 /LT1 or something was slipped about future product.

As it sits now though, we were promised at least 450,I'm not expecting significantly more than that, but would love to be pleasantly surprised.

My guess is that they were conservative with the 450 - rather under promise and over deliver. But I don't picture more than 470. My guess is in the 465 range.

Well I could be wrong but with all of the anticipation GM has created not to mention the secretiveness maybe just maybe they will blow everyone's socks off with a big number. No doubt if they did that it would certainly stimulate more buzz and IMO more buyers!:thumbs:

well, maybe someone, like me, will take their C7 to their speed shop and have it dynoed. Then real numbers will be available. :cheers:

I agree with this. It will be more than 450 but not by a whole lot, I don't think. I think hoping for 475, which seems to be magical number floating around, is a bit optimistic.

It just seems to me that this redesign was not centrally focused around creating more power. I believe the redesign was more about using this power more effectively.

Actually, I was say less than the stated 450. If history proves itself on the newer model cars, they usually have less to the rear wheels than what they state. I would estimate 425 or in that area. However with the new design and new materials, what is lacking in HP will be made up in road efficiencies.

Would anyone here mind it if GM purposely underrated the engine? Based on dyno results, the early GTRs were underrated by Nissan. Also, BMW is notorious for underrating their engines. From what I can tell they underrate their engines 10% across the board.

Well, yes. The rated HP is at the crank, so of course RWHP is going to be 15-18% less.

470 to 500.........Actual performance is more important than HP to me

If It will out run a C6 427 ( Awesome car) at 450 HP that's fine with me Dan :)

Well, GM has said they focused on a flat torque curve that makes great torque over a large rev band. Now, given that the hold over 6 speed autobox is only rated to about 435 lb/ft, there will very likely be torque management. So, overall, the numbers may mean rather less than the actual on road performance.
Still hoping for something closer to 475 hp/ 475 tq.
We will know soon enough, and even better, when the first tests in the magazines come out.

I think 475 will be the final number. It accomplishes everything it needs to do. It guarantees the C7 base will be significantly faster than the C6 base.

And 475 approaches C6Z06 "competitive" territory.. while still leaving plenty of room for a 525+hp C7Z06 and 650+hp C7ZR1.

I think this is like hoping that the chunky girl your friend fixed you up with has lost a lot of weight since she took that Facebook photo.

.Jinx

I remember back in the 60's the L88 (I believe it was this motor) was way underrated, back then I think it had something to do with production allowances if the hp was too high. I'm sure some here can enlighten on that matter.

Hey jinx you know they say the "chunky" girls never know when they'll "get it" again so simply put hang on for the ride!!:lol:

Thread is off to a good start, lots of excellent posts!:thumbs:

How many people would prefer for GM to tune the engine for more peak hp at the expense of a broad torque curve?

Exactly! I think GM is going to give a small but pleasant surprise with the final "released" HP number

Slumpbusters can be fun in private :D

My guess ...


465 Advertised w/ NPP

M7 . . 420 RWHP SAE Corrected (DynoJet)

A6 . . 402 RWHP SAE Corrected (DynoJet)

I think that even if GM knows they can wring something like 500HP out of the LT1, it may be wise to take it easy and start it at 460 or so. Even with all the same components they can dial it down a bit.

That way they can sit back and see if the engine has any unknown issues before really leaning on the thing.

They can then step it up in later years if the engine proves reliable. They have done that with the LS series but with some minor changes in camshafts and such.

I would rather have the broad torque curve since that is what I would use most when driving.