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BlueOx 05-03-2013 07:27 PM

More review...





speedlink 05-03-2013 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583805693)
It's already confirmed that the car is faster than the GS around VIR, along with the fact Jim Mero went on and on how incredible the car is...

They can put 405hp on the little marketing materials...who gives a f**k?

People whining about these peak hp numbers, when that number doesn't amount to sh*t need to look at the bigger picture.

Totally agree. But you know there are a few that love to complain and argue needless points. :thumbs:

speedlink 05-03-2013 08:14 PM

Thanks Blue for all the videos in one place. This could be be a sticky.

tuxnharley 05-03-2013 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by BlueOx (Post 1583808423)
Just in case you wanted to review...

Wow 10,000,000 hours of computational analysis, 6,000,000 of which were on the combustion system.

Let's see - 10M hours = 417,000 days = 1096 years.

Wow, they have been working on this thing for a long time! :D

:cheers:

BlueOx 05-03-2013 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by tuxnharley (Post 1583809144)
Wow 10,000,000 hours of computational analysis, 6,000,000 of which were on the combustion system.

Let's see - 10M hours = 417,000 days = 1096 years.

Wow, they have been working on this thing for a long time! :D

:cheers:

Damn, you'd think with all that time they could make it look more like this...:D
http://spikestl.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/427.jpg

sam90lx 05-03-2013 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by 04_Z06_CE (Post 1583808129)
Hey bro no need to get your self all worked up.
When it comes it to sports cars the one thing that gets asked is what is the hp ? Everything else come second ..yes hp doesn't make the car but its a damn big enough reason to warrant al this speculation on gm actually giving the numbers. All good and I do Bellve the tires are a little sticker on the c7 which you know makes a little difference going around a track.. On a side note it looks like it will be about 100 lbs heavier than c6. This is from article I ready not sure if true.

No doubt, not sure what that was all about? Guy talks about building 900 HP Hondas then makes that comment?

Bill17601 05-04-2013 03:54 PM

It is not all about horsepower. It is not the size of the horsepower it is how you drive it.. Got it?

OnPoint 05-04-2013 04:19 PM

Great vids, Ox. Thanks.:thumbs:

SBC_and_a_stick 05-04-2013 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by RC000E (Post 1583805693)
It's already confirmed that the car is faster than the GS around VIR, along with the fact Jim Mero went on and on how incredible the car is...

They can put 405hp on the little marketing materials...who gives a f**k?

People whining about these peak hp numbers, when that number doesn't amount to sh*t need to look at the bigger picture.

If the base C7 would have a 405hp V6 yet lap VIR quicker than the C6 base do you think people would be happy? Would you?

gthal 05-04-2013 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by SBC_and_a_stick (Post 1583814643)
If the base C7 would have a 405hp V6 yet lap VIR quicker than the C6 base do you think people would be happy? Would you?

Unless bragging about horsepower makes someone's e-peen bigger or they get off on stop light races, why would this be a horrible thing? It's about performance and not stats/bragging.

Well, the V6 part would be bad for me because the number of cylinders my car has is a direct reflection on my manliness. :D

BuckyThreadkiller 05-04-2013 04:59 PM

I've got 435 now and I don't get to use all of that.

SBC_and_a_stick 05-04-2013 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by gthal (Post 1583814679)
Unless bragging about horsepower makes someone's e-peen bigger or they get off on stop light races, why would this be a horrible thing? It's about performance and not stats/bragging.

Well, the V6 part would be for me because the number of cylinders my car has is a direct reflection on my manliness. :D

Because reducing one car's performance to what it can do on VIR is not very different to reducing the car's performance to what it can do on a dyno.

1. Some tracks are shorter and more technical and anything more than 300hp would go untaped. That doesn't mean that 500hp is not usable in other employments.

2. Most Corvette owners will not track their car. Acceleration from a roll and burnouts are more like the regular escapades and 500hp works pretty nice with that use.

3. What if the C7 lapped VIR faster only because of it's tires? Do we not care at all why a car goes faster? I think we should, because if using a new tire design makes the C6 faster then that would upset a lot of new buyers and more power becomes imperative.

GM has had at least two methodologies of getting 500hp out of this 6.2 pushrod block for over a decade. Dual in block cams and cam-in-cam. Not getting either of these in return for some fuel saving bits is more than disappointing.

People could get used to 450hp in the C7 but it's not what they wished for.

gthal 05-04-2013 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by SBC_and_a_stick (Post 1583814721)
GM has had at least two methodologies of getting 500hp out of this 6.2 pushrod block for over a decade. Dual in block cams and cam-in-cam. Not getting either of thesein return for some fuel saving bitsis more than disappointing

Blame the Feds for this one :D

SBC_and_a_stick 05-04-2013 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by gthal (Post 1583814839)
Blame the Feds for this one :D

I will. But if this happens again on the performance models which are low volume GM will get the stare. :D

BlueOx 05-04-2013 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by SBC_and_a_stick (Post 1583814856)
I will. But if this happens again on the performance models which are low volume GM will get the stare. :D

Just think...you could be blaming them for a V6 or a 5.5 V8.:yesnod:

SBC_and_a_stick 05-04-2013 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by BlueOx (Post 1583814930)
Just think...you could be blaming them for a V6 or a 5.5 V8.:yesnod:

LS3, ls7, or ls9s are still available. :hurray:

tuxnharley 05-04-2013 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by BuckyThreadkiller (Post 1583814714)
I've got 435 now and I don't get to use all of that.

436? :D C6, or 427/435?

Understood and agreed, except that in my case I only started with 400. However, that's not the point, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the original question.

I think the point is what HP level would it take to induce us to induce us to order a new Corvette. For most of us here that's not about "is a 450 HP C7 worth $51,995" - and I'm pretty sure it is - but rather whether the increase in performance is worth the cost increase over what we have now. I suspect that for many C6 owners it isn't, at least not initially.

In my case I have a C6 with 400 HP (initially :D), 22k miles, and still under GMPP - and it's in LMB which is no longer available. It's worth maybe $30k, and no, I wouldn't sell it for that.

The replacement out the door around here in CA would be +/- $ 58k minimum, if available at MSRP.

So - is a 50 HP gain worth $28,000.00 to me? NO.

Maybe in a couple years when the ratings go up and the bugs are worked out.:yesnod:

:cheers:

Jinx 05-04-2013 09:50 PM

tuxnharley gets it.

vankenn 05-04-2013 09:54 PM

472

lt4obsesses 05-05-2013 03:16 AM


Originally Posted by tuxnharley (Post 1583816202)
436? :D C6, or 427/435?

Understood and agreed, except that in my case I only started with 400. However, that's not the point, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the original question.

I think the point is what HP level would it take to induce us to induce us to order a new Corvette. For most of us here that's not about "is a 450 HP C7 worth $51,995" - and I'm pretty sure it is - but rather whether the increase in performance is worth the cost increase over what we have now. I suspect that for many C6 owners it isn't, at least not initially.

In my case I have a C6 with 400 HP (initially :D), 22k miles, and still under GMPP - and it's in LMB which is no longer available. It's worth maybe $30k, and no, I wouldn't sell it for that.

The replacement out the door around here in CA would be +/- $ 58k minimum, if available at MSRP.

So - is a 50 HP gain worth $28,000.00 to me? NO.

Maybe in a couple years when the ratings go up and the bugs are worked out.:yesnod:

:cheers:

Well, for $28K you could get alot more HP out of your LS2, like 500 more...if that's all you're after. :cheers:


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