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jackhall99 02-22-2013 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by oldstyleGS (Post 1583189249)
but but but

seriously this subsection of the forum is terrible when it comes to whiny cry babies, the rear lights, the gaps, OMG NO FOG LIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!

I know what you are saying Kevin.

Jack :cheers:

texvette2 02-22-2013 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Roidz (Post 1583188014)
That's from the unveiling...meaning far from production.

Which will be far far worse. Once low skilled union workers and
robotics build one. It will be the same ole same ole workmanship
like the past

jackhall99 02-22-2013 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by texvette2 (Post 1583192880)
... Once low skilled union workers and robotics build one. It will be the same ole same ole workmanship
like the past

:yawn:

Others have posted no serious issues with their cars, and my '06 has no fit/finish problems that have me ready to wail over it. It's actually pretty damned good! I guess your Corvettes we built on Monday. :D

VETTE777 02-22-2013 05:48 PM

Not making excuses, but I cannot think of a car that offers more in most categories than any other, period. I stopped tearing GM apart panel by panel......in 2006 a very good friend of mine went with a new 911. Needless to say, we were all shocked when, while travelling down the freeway at 70, the engine blew, 16K miles on it. It turned out to be an IMS fail. PNA nightmare.
I went with the car that had the "cheaper" interior, pretty darn glad I did. Replaced the battery, 62K miles.

LIE2ME 02-22-2013 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by johnodrake (Post 1583189211)
I guess some of you folks have had fit/finish issues with your C6s. I have two and there are no fit/finish issues with either of mine except for a minor issue with the stripe on the 427.

My 2012 Coupe has better fit and finish (and closer, straighter gaps) then my 2008 Jaguar XK had.

...and the XK stickered for over $95,000.00...:leaving:

Tommy D 02-22-2013 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by BlueOx (Post 1583189095)
Face it, sh*tty fit and finish are part of the Corvette 'heritage' as are less-than-perfect paint jobs.

:iagree:


Ah, but now we have great interiors :D ....... wait for the C8 for GM to improve the fit & finish. :lol: :lol:

r1owner 02-22-2013 11:57 PM

Just take a look at BMW's lines where the bumpers meet the fenders and quarter panels... then start looking at the new Cadillacs... no comparison... GM has some of the best fit panels in the business.

jackhall99 02-23-2013 12:03 AM


Originally Posted by Tommy D (Post 1583195699)
:iagree:


Ah, but now we have great interiors :D ....... wait for the C8 for GM to improve the fit & finish. :lol: :lol:

Have you gotten to a show and looked at the C7 up close and personal? Or are you just posting "stuff" to post something?

I presume the latter because when you see the car in person, you will see the car is freaking awesome. :cheers:

Tommy D 02-23-2013 12:15 AM


Originally Posted by jackhall99 (Post 1583195888)
Have you gotten to a show and looked at the C7 up close and personal? Or are you just posting "stuff" to post something?

I presume the latter because when you see the car in person, you will see the car is freaking awesome. :cheers:

I was referring to the picture in post #1..... Take a very careful look at the trunk lid :eek: ..... after you have been on this forum a bit longer you will eventually get it when another CF member is making a joking remark :D

Michael A 02-23-2013 12:28 AM

Everyone needs to relax.

Pre-production cars are hand built, with hand built prototype parts. There's no QC. These are not production pieces. The pilot cars (right before production) are where they will double check fit with production pieces, and make adjustments.

Michael

petermj 02-23-2013 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by Michael A (Post 1583196005)
Everyone needs to relax.

Pre-production cars are hand built, with hand built prototype parts. There's no QC. These are not production pieces. The pilot cars (right before production) are where they will double check fit with production pieces, and make adjustments.

Michael

I would be interested to see if the assembly method and paint shop were changed, if they were not and the same methods are used, then it will be the same thing all over again.

I do not know about your car, but on mine, the panels that were painted by the paint robots have actually different shade than those that humans painted. I think things are better with solid colors but metalics have their issues.

I seem to recall someone having problems with the finish a few months ago that actually resulted in the car being shipped to the factor to have the panels color matched. My front bumper has warp marks in it, corners do not line up, , tiger stripes all over the entire car-this is not what should be happening.

Michael A 02-23-2013 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by petermj (Post 1583196043)
I would be interested to see if the assembly method and paint shop were changed, if they were not and the same methods are used, then it will be the same thing all over again.

I do not know about your car, but on mine, the panels that were painted by the paint robots have actually different shade than those that humans painted. I think things are better with solid colors but metalics have their issues.

I seem to recall someone having problems with the finish a few months ago that actually resulted in the car being shipped to the factor to have the panels color matched. My front bumper has warp marks in it, corners do not line up, , tiger stripes all over the entire car-this is not what should be happening.

Sorry to hear about the issues with your car. Mine is a solid color, so I don't have the problems that metallics have.

My 2000 C5 actually has amazingly good quality. The paint has almost no orange peel. The panels fit great. A friend of mine who always finds faults with hood alignment or door fit, couldn't find anything to complain about. Did the quality go down with the C6's?

Michael

petermj 02-23-2013 12:57 AM


Originally Posted by Michael A (Post 1583196062)
Sorry to hear about the issues with your car. Mine is a solid color, so I don't have the problems that metallics have.

My 2000 C5 actually has amazingly good quality. The paint has almost no orange peel. The panels fit great. A friend of mine who always finds faults with hood alignment or door fit, couldn't find anything to complain about. Did the quality go down with the C6's?

Michael

I could not close the hood on C5, the black finish was very nice. My 07 C6 was yellow, besides roof recall and peeling chrome rims and bubbling up interior pieces, pretty good. My yellow 09 Z06 had problem with bad orange peel, paint drips, poor panel fitment and axle nuts and leaky slave cylinder. My current daily driver, 09 silver base is really crappy all around, good for a daily driver though. After fixing another leaky slave cylinder and axle nuts and replacing door panels, it is mechanically very good. The car rattles and creaks way worse than my older base. I am not sure if this is my luck but quality did seem to go down.

Tommy D 02-23-2013 01:03 AM


Originally Posted by petermj (Post 1583196043)
I would be interested to see if the assembly method and paint shop were changed, if they were not and the same methods are used, then it will be the same thing all over again.

I do not know about your car, but on mine, the panels that were painted by the paint robots have actually different shade than those that humans painted. I think things are better with solid colors but metalics have their issues.

I seem to recall someone having problems with the finish a few months ago that actually resulted in the car being shipped to the factor to have the panels color matched. My front bumper has warp marks in it, corners do not line up, , tiger stripes all over the entire car-this is not what should be happening.

I have a 2005 built in January of 2005 at that time there were some problems with orange peel as well as cloudy polished rims. My car has orange peel and my left front fender will interfere with opening the door on really hot days when the car is in the sun. My son's 2007 has the same orange peel as well as problems with the rubber seal around the hood opening.

Having been on the forum for some time there has been improvement over the years as we have seen fewer posts regarding fit and finish in C6 general over the years. I record the times for the 1/4 mile challenge in the C6 tech section and have seen many of our members Corvettes over the years. Yes there are some fit & finish issues but nothing that I would consider as material. Most of us knew about the orange peel and purchased the car anyway :yesnod:

At this point in time there is no way to tell how well the C7 fit and finish will be. Production of the C6 ends this month and then the factory has to re tool for the C7

I would imagine just as the C6 had its early teething issues the C7 will also have its issues as every new design does. The great thing about this forum is that members post their experience both the good as well as the bad and we get to make better informed decisions based upon their experience :yesnod:

jdmvette 02-23-2013 01:09 AM


Originally Posted by r1owner (Post 1583195858)
Just take a look at BMW's lines where the bumpers meet the fenders and quarter panels... then start looking at the new Cadillacs... no comparison... GM has some of the best fit panels in the business.

too lazy, post up pics for me.

petermj 02-23-2013 01:19 AM


Originally Posted by Tommy D (Post 1583196133)
I have a 2005 built in January of 2005 at that time there were some problems with orange peel as well as cloudy polished rims. My car has orange peel and my left front fender will interfere with opening the door on really hot days when the car is in the sun. My son's 2007 has the same orange peel as well as problems with the rubber seal around the hood opening.

Having been on the forum for some time there has been improvement over the years as we have seen fewer posts regarding fit and finish in C6 general over the years. I record the times for the 1/4 mile challenge in the C6 tech section and have seen many of our members Corvettes over the years. Yes there are some fit & finish issues but nothing that I would consider as material. Most of us knew about the orange peel and purchased the car anyway :yesnod:

At this point in time there is no way to tell how well the C7 fit and finish will be. Production of the C6 ends this month and then the factory has to re tool for the C7

I would imagine just as the C6 had its early teething issues the C7 will also have its issues as every new design does. The great thing about this forum is that members post their experience both the good as well as the bad and we get to make better informed decisions based upon their experience :yesnod:

As I said, if the methods are the same, the new car will be the same way. Hopefully GM realizes the problems and already made the changes.

Tommy D 02-23-2013 01:50 AM


Originally Posted by petermj (Post 1583196183)
As I said, if the methods are the same, the new car will be the same way. Hopefully GM realizes the problems and already made the changes.

Yup I agree, Maybe GM will figure a way to get rid of the orange peel and improve the exterior as much as they have the interior. We will soon see. :yesnod:

Then there are the mechanical issues of a new design which opens another can of worms :lol: :lol:

C7 BOB 02-23-2013 02:44 AM

I took the tour of the assembly plant last April, and they had already started work on the new assembly line. They started in the old XLR area, and it will be mostly all new with more computers and robots. The new car should have improved quality. :thumbs:

MikeyTX 02-23-2013 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by matthewelle (Post 1583187832)
This is now the second or third time I have seen this on the show cars as well as the mules.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...1&d=1358146669

Must be rough going through life looking at things as if your glass is half empty. :willy:

jimmyb 02-23-2013 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by MikeyTX (Post 1583197040)
Must be rough going through life looking at things as if your glass is half empty. :willy:

Indeed. I can't wait for my C7 convertible (probably a year away). And I imagine there will be orange peel in the paint since literally every new car has it. The local Ferrari dealer is 2 blocks from my office, I looked at a new 458 a month ago, on the showroom floor, and there is no place to hide under flourescent lighing....the car was LOADED with orange peel!

Jimmy


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