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how much power does it take to beat a Z06
I have a base c6 with full exhaust, vararam cold air and a custom grind cam by pat G. I haven't had the chance to put it on the dyno but yesterday I ran a stock c6 Z and came out victorious. I know that a stock Z comes with around 450 to the wheel but it is also lighter than the base so is it safe to say I'm over 450?
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450-460 ish if you are manual. Auto will need more because of gearing.
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If you are a M6 it's a driver's race. A good driver in a stock C6 will beat a poor driver in a Z06.
If you are an A6, a high stall converter may be all that's needed to beat the average Z06 driver. It can quickly come down to traction and who gets it best. If you come up against a good Z06 driver, you're going to have a really tough time winning that one. |
It almost all depends on the driver. Reminds me of a story that took place in the '60s...
There was this guy named Steve who owned a '65 GTO. This car had major mods and he street raced it a lot and beat a lot of other cars. Another guy buys a '63 Chevy with a 409 and thinks he has a really hot car. Challenges the GTO for $100. GTO wins. "Best 2 out of 3"? Sure. GTO wins all three times. The best part: GTO and 409 drivers swap cars. Now the 409 (with the GTO driver) wins... |
I know the z06 is 300lbs lighter....so how much more hp do you need to make of for the weight differance?
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Originally Posted by C U IN REARVEIW
(Post 1583030852)
I know the z06 is 300lbs lighter....so how much more hp do you need to make of for the weight differance?
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Add an intake, headers, exhaust and custom tune. That will do it driver for driver.
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Originally Posted by Greg00Coupe
(Post 1583038273)
Add an intake, headers, exhaust and custom tune. That will do it driver for driver.
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Originally Posted by lebvette
(Post 1583038411)
Good luck with that......It will take, at least a cam. I can pull a LS3, at least 10 car lenths in a race. I don't think bolt-ons will make up the difference.
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I have 440 rwhp, an A6 and a 3600 stall. I have ran 2 Z06's and haven't been able to touch them on high end.
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Its not always about how much hp, I think its more about your sixty foot. If the Z06 driver can get a good sixty foot you won't be able to keep up with him in a 1/4 mile run and forget anything further than that. With a good sixty foot you can run with most Z06s. I have run a few Z06s and they pull real hard on the top end of the 1/4 mile normally running near 130 mph to my 124. I run 11.teens with only bolt ons and converter with a tune and only lost to 1 Z06 in a race. I think I am at about 400 rwhp. I have over 100 passes and most Z06 drivers can't get a 1.55 sixty foot.
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1/4 mile I can run with most Z06's, 1/2 mile and high way pulls is another story.
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Originally Posted by lebvette
(Post 1583038411)
Good luck with that......It will take, at least a cam. I can pull a LS3, at least 10 car lenths in a race. I don't think bolt-ons will make up the difference.
Originally Posted by Underratedneverfaded
(Post 1583039044)
I know for sure boltons wont do the trick. I got beat like I was standing still with just full exhaust, and intake.
======================================== ===================================== Ranger The C6 Z06 Fast List Last Updated: February 1, 2013 ================== Bone-Stock on Stock Tires ================== Rank~~ E.T.~~ Trap~ 60'~ Driver~~~~~ M.Yr. Details Thread Video 1~~~~ 10.981 128.90 1.77 Jamie Furman~ 2006 details~~ thread 2~~~~ 11.025 127.25 1.70 Ranger ~~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread video 3~~~~ 11.177 127.08 1.79 walterm32~~~ 2008 details~~ thread 4~~~~ 11.242 122.38 1.68 Dr.Ron ~~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread 5~~~~ 11.311 122.89 1.80 BLU-BY-U ~~~ 2006 details~~ thread 6~~~~ 11.349 124.97 1.75 zosix427 ~~~~ 2006 details~~ 7~~~~ 11.392 124.84 1.92 C5 Frank ~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread 8~~~~ 11.429 124.88 1.86 dgdoc ~~~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread video 9~~~~ 11.443 125.93 1.95 O7zeeO6 ~~~~ 2007 details~~ thread 10 ~~~ 11.458 124.13 1.80 layjzay~~~~~~ 2006 details~~ 11~~~ 11.488 123.86 1.80 Z06kait ~~~~~ 2007 details~~ thread 12~~~ 11.506 123.95 1.91 Burnin4~~~~~ 2006 details~~ ~~~~ video 13~~~ 11.512 124.39 1.85 forcefed281~~ 2009 details~~ 14~~~ 11.545 123.16 1.83 dpracing ~~~~ 2007 details~~ 15~~~ 11.554 124.13 1.86 jtfx ~~~~~~~~ 2007 details~~ 16~~~ 11.557 126.68 1.95 Incon306 ~~~~ 2007 details~~ 17~~~ 11.560 124.53 1.85 Zlicious ~~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread 18~~~ 11.592 125.94 1.95 Goatts ~~~~~~ 2009 details~~ 19~~~ 11.607 122.99 1.87 Frozen~~~~~~ 2008 details~~ 20~~~ 11.627 121.67 1.83 BLK BZT~~~~~ 2006 details~~ 21~~~ 11.638 122.46 1.88 Chempwr~~~~ 2007 details~~ 22~~~ 11.641 120.71 1.78 svt2z06 ~~~~~ 2008 details~~ 23~~~ 11.682 127.70 2.05 Rusc6z06 ~~~~ 2008 details~~ thread video 24~~~ 11.687 121.41 1.97 linuxrepublican. 2008 details~~ 25~~~ 11.695 122.44 1.93 vredvet~~~~~~ 2008 details~~ 26~~~ 11.705 126.13 2.12 dpracing~~~~~ 2009 details~~ thread 27~~~ 11.709 121.78 2.06 Armalite~~~~~ 2011 details~~ thread 28~~~ 11.709 121.41 1.86 JWGJR ~~~~~~ 2007 details~~ thread 29~~~ 11.770 121.00 1.97 D-Rod~~~~~~~ 2006 details~~ 30~~~ 11.821 123.75 2.11 USMCFRC ~~~~ 2008 details~~ 31~~~ 11.839 125.31 2.08 AirBusPilot ~~~ 2009 details~~ 32~~~ 11.859 117.86 1.82 '06QuicksilverZ06 2006 details~~ thread 33~~~ 11.876 119.43 1.99 saleentim ~~~~ 2009 details~~ 34~~~ 11.946 122.49 2.02 Cyphear ~~~~~ 2007 details~~ ~~~~ video 35~~~ 11.982 122.52 2.10 CivEngineer~~~ 2006 details~~ 36~~~ 11.991 122.52 1.96 cr133r ~~~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread video 37~~~ 13.020 114.39 2.39 liv2ryd ~~~~~~ 2010 details~~ ~~~~ ======================== Bone-Stock except Non-Stock Tires ======================== Rank~~ E.T.~~ Trap~ 60'~ Driver~~~~~ M.Yr. Details Thread Video 1~~~~ 10.715 130.32 1.60 Ranger ~~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread video 2~~~~ 10.750 128.19 1.56 Dr.Ron ~~~~~ 2009 details~~ thread 3~~~~ 10.831 130.05 1.70 Jamie Furman~ 2006 details~~ thread 4~~~~ 10.892 128.62 1.61 propain ~~~~~ 2008 details~~ thread 5~~~~ 10.896 125.71 1.60 Steve Row ~~~ 2009 details~~ thread video 6~~~~ 10.898 128.84 1.60 Wndotintman ~ 2009 details~~ 7~~~~ 10.912 126.32 1.62 Dr.Ron ~~~~~ 2006 details~~ 8~~~~ 10.921 128.31 1.64 C5 Frank ~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread 9~~~~ 10.958 127.22 1.67 walterm32~~~ 2008 details~~ thread 10 ~~~ 11.096 126.73 1.76 Fartpipe~~~~~ 2008 details~~ thread video 11 ~~~ 11.139 128.68 1.80 dpracing ~~~~ 2009 details~~ thread video 12 ~~~ 11.222 125.61 1.79 Incon306~~~~ 2007 details~~ 13 ~~~ 11.629 124.08 1.84 toroz06~~~~~ 2007 details~~ 14 ~~~ 11.949 122.18 2.01 avacorvette ~~ 2006 details~~ stock and even with non stock tires i beat all that's on that list:yesnod: with just bolt/ons and so did these guys. External Engine Modifications LS2 (Bolt-Ons) 10.626 @ 126.98 - Dennis50NJ - 05 A4 Z51 - CAI, cb, conv, ewp, pfast, 3.73, hdr, ptb, tune, & more, DR - (3944) 10.788 @ 127.29 - LS1LT1 - 06 A6 - CAI, conv, fast, hdr, ptb, skinnies, tune, & more, DR - (5611) 10.936 @ 123.01 - Dicky - 06 A6 - CAI, conv, cutouts, fast, 3.42, hdr, & more tune, DR - (5485) , External Engine Modifications LS3 (Bolt-Ons) 10.820 @ 125.82 - HOXXOH - 08 A6 F55 - CAI, conv, ptb, Z06 Exhaust, tune, & more, DR - (4804) 10.888 @ 125.25 - 8850 - 08 A6 NPP 2.73 - CAI, conv, gto skinnies, hdr, udp, tune, DR - (6178) |
Those are some nice running Vettes(non Z06) 99.9% of the guys are not going to see those type numbers.....just like I can't run with Ranger.
'Teether' mentioned the 60' times. Getting a Z out of hole with stock tires can be a real bitch. |
Originally Posted by lebvette
(Post 1583040601)
Those are some nice running Vettes(non Z06) 99.9% of the guys are not going to see those type numbers.....just like I can't run with Ranger.
'Teether' mentioned the 60' times. Getting a Z out of hole with stock tires can be a real bitch. |
Originally Posted by lebvette
(Post 1583038411)
Good luck with that......It will take, at least a cam. I can pull a LS3, at least 10 car lenths in a race. I don't think bolt-ons will make up the difference.
Originally Posted by Underratedneverfaded
(Post 1583039044)
I know for sure boltons wont do the trick. I got beat like I was standing still with just full exhaust, and intake.
Originally Posted by EVL JAKE
(Post 1583039149)
I have 440 rwhp, an A6 and a 3600 stall. I have ran 2 Z06's and haven't been able to touch them on high end.
Not only do you have to make up the difference between 436 HP vs 505HP, you have the 100-200 lb difference give or take between the Z and base C6. Of course it's a "drivers race" what race is not :lol: You could put someone in a twin turbo GTR vs a C5, and if the GTR driver sucks, the C5 could probably even win that race. If the drivers of both cars are even somewhat close the Z06 will win easily... it's just the pecking order of the models... Just like a ZR1 will walk away from the Z06 once you start getting into the triple digits. |
I have rolled with a few Z06's...3 to be exact.
2 stock ones and 1 w/ ex/int/tune I made 440 whp and have an LS3 1LT w/LT, EX, INTK and TUNE...I do have Oz racing rims..which are a bit lighter then my factory ones. I beat the 2 stock Z's by a fender or so....I lost to the bolt on Z by approx 2 cars...these runs were to about 130mph in a closed circuit area...all from a roll. I can tell you that I fully expect to beat a bolt on Z when I get my cam next month..should be around 480-500whp....that extra 40-60 should be enough to make up what I lost to.... Just my experiences. |
Originally Posted by mowe
(Post 1583047783)
I have rolled with a few Z06's...3 to be exact.
2 stock ones and 1 w/ ex/int/tune I made 440 whp and have an LS3 1LT w/LT, EX, INTK and TUNE...I do have Oz racing rims..which are a bit lighter then my factory ones. I beat the 2 stock Z's by a fender or so....I lost to the bolt on Z by approx 2 cars...these runs were to about 130mph in a closed circuit area...all from a roll. I can tell you that I fully expect to beat a bolt on Z when I get my cam next month..should be around 480-500whp....that extra 40-60 should be enough to make up what I lost to.... Just my experiences. |
Originally Posted by C U IN REARVEIW
(Post 1583048081)
how do you like the OZ wheels (ultraleggaras)? how much lighter? noticable differance over oem?
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Originally Posted by mowe
(Post 1583047783)
I have rolled with a few Z06's...3 to be exact.
2 stock ones and 1 w/ ex/int/tune I made 440 whp and have an LS3 1LT w/LT, EX, INTK and TUNE...I do have Oz racing rims..which are a bit lighter then my factory ones. I beat the 2 stock Z's by a fender or so....I lost to the bolt on Z by approx 2 cars...these runs were to about 130mph in a closed circuit area...all from a roll. I can tell you that I fully expect to beat a bolt on Z when I get my cam next month..should be around 480-500whp....that extra 40-60 should be enough to make up what I lost to.... Just my experiences. Most bolt on Z's are going to be easily at the 480-500RWHP range you plan on hittiing when you cam your car (by bolt on's I mean , headers, CAI and a tune, stock cam) How much lighter are your wheels than the factory ones? Weight is a big deal, so smart that you went with lighter wheels to offset some of the weight between your car and the Z. :thumbs: |
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