Yep.

Its basically a drivers race between a C6/wZ51 & C5Z06. Expect the same with a C7 & C6Z06. Its called progress. And its what you should expect to happen when you give engineers 8 entire years to make a better product, with newer technology & fresh ideas they didnt have access to before. If a fully optioned C7 cant provide C6Z06 like performance.. then I'll personally be wondering what the hell was GM doing for those 8 years.

What do you mean by "fully optioned C7"?

A 575 HP supercharged LT4 engine and beefed up suspension with huge ceramic brakes and 335 tires in the back. That kind of "fully optioned?

Or do you mean the base C7 with 450 HP with regular brakes and suspension and 285 wide tires in the back but with a fancied up interior, monogramed floor mats, chrome wheels, jute box lighting for the dash, upgraded sound system, etc ?

No it wasn't. The C5Z was a better performance car in nearly every measurable way.

"Clearly in acceleration and slalom, the new Z51 appears to have delivered about 75 percent of the old Z06's performance and also in terms of brake fade, if not quite in stopping distances."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz2Hi5bhVES

Man I really can't wait now. When the LS3 came out I was very excited to have a car so close to the Z06 in performance with an automatic and for a low price. I know its not a Z06 but the gap narrowed and that was enough to make me bite the bullet and buy one at model year end.
With this new lighter Vette it is going to be really hard for me not to buy one when the incentives come out and the prices are reasonable.
I am a value for dollar person and if I can get close to CSZ06 perf in an automatic 1LT I will be a very happy camper. I know its not going to be track prepared but I just drive around town anyway so I don't need the dry sump and the extra traction.

I have nothing productive to say in this thread but I love the color of your green C5.

I'll add something I suppose.
I predict 450hp with some torque curve that gets talked about. Car will be 3100 lbs. Instead of being marginally slower than a Z06, I think they will be going for marginally faster and than LS3 Vettes along with a better interior and better gas mileage.

The C6z is faster than the GT500, stock for stock. GM has already stated the new C7 should run 11.9 and a 3.9 second 0-60. That's slower than the C6z and the GT500. The GT500 should sit right inbetween a C6z and a base C7.

Not sure what else there is to debate on this? :crazy2:

Where did GM state the performance of the C7?

Fully optioned = C7 w/Z51-ish package.

Noone knows what type of optional suspension package will be offered on the base model. But I dont think its a extreme to believe there will be some sort of Z51 or "track-pack" suspension available for the base. I should have stated it that way, instead of "fully optioned".

We'll know for sure in about 40 hours.

The base C5 delivered 75% of the C5Z performance.

Its okay Jawnathin. I know you feel the need to defend any older Z06 vs. newer incoming model. But it will be alright.

Hey bud, don't need to get personal or passive aggressive here.

I like the C6 w/ Z51s but the C5 Z06 was a a better performing car in every measurable way. The article touches on that as it compares a C6 w/ Z51 to the C5Zs. Handling, acceleration, braking, the C5Z had it beat.

And no, I'm not defending anything, don't make it about that, unlike some other people, I actually welcome change. And C5Z vs C6 w/ Z51 has nothing to do with my car. I just think folks are remembering history incorrectly. The C6 w/ Z51 was never a better performance car than a C5 Z06.

Not debating anything..I iterated that comparing horsepower to weight of the new car vs the c6 was not an accurate way of measuring performance since there are other contributing factors not being taken into account.
Such as a smoother, faster shifting transmission, new traction or launch technology we don't know about, low end torque Increase in the new engine, tire size, you name it.

Also GM has not given any specifics on performance numbers. correct me if im wrong but, I remember the official word being "under 4s 0-60" not "3.9 0-60".

Anyway, that's probably the last thing I'll post until Sunday. We will all get to see the new car soon enough. I'm sure we will be pleasantly surprised with it.

I believe that the only thing GM has said in it's press releases is that the C7 will do 0-60 in under 4 seconds. The C6 GS will do that at 3.95.

Nothing said about the 1/4 mile.

times at the ring are something like 3 seconds apart.

drag strip the c5z always won. stock vs stock

list of times at the ring

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eife_lap_times

2004 c5z 7:56
2005 z51 7:59
2006 z06 7:43

But they've added electronics and creature comforts to make the C7 offer more luxury ~ generally not good for weight savings.

I'd bet the C7 weighs approximately 3,100 lbs.

Yep.

That definitely proves Jawnathan's 75% performance theory. A 3 second difference on a 8 minute lap time couldnt possibly be attributed to a driver's difference.

How dare you provide actual facts?

Since when did I say it was 75%? It was actually Dave Hill, chief engineer of both the C5 and C6 who said that. Someone with much more credibility than you or I. Then the quote was from MotorTrend who validated the claim during the actual performance tests.

I don't think anyone here really thinks a C6 is literally 75% of a C5 Z06 and I do believe the quote was misleading. However, the point has always been it was NOT a drivers race and they were NOT equal in performance. That is a FACT. There is NO performance benchmark that the C6 was better at than the C5 Z.

And you criticize me for not providing facts? Did you even bother to click on the link to the article that was posted? You know, the article with the FACTUAL performance benchmarks between the two cars? The one that shows the C5Z was better than the C6 in handling, acceleration, and braking?

Where are YOUR facts that suggest they are equal in performance?

Then you put out some desperate assertion that I want to 'defend' an older generation Z06 car I've never owned because somehow it makes me feel better about my own? Am I really defending anything, or is it you who is defending an incorrect wishful belief that your very own C6 has equal performance as a C5 Z06 and gets upset when someone disagrees?

Hey, I thought you guys would like these stats:
Same driver, same course (Laguna Seca)

Car Time
C6 Z06 1:34.4
Lamborghini 1:35.4
C6 ZR1 1:35.8
Ferrari 458 1:36
Toyota GTR 1:36.35
Lexus LFA 1:36.39
Audi R8 1:36.39
Porsche 911 GT3 1:36.77
Mustang 302 Boss 1:41.06

and the links (Enjoy)

PS
all but the Corvettes and the Mustang had paddle shifters

I thought the ZR1 held the production car record at LS?

I agree!! Good styling, ridiculous interior, performance between the current and Z06 models.

**To show you how far tech has slipped in the corvette. Think about this my friends KIA SORRENTO for 20K. He can upload all of his contacts from his phone, all of his music, and then use voice commands to do anything else. He says it's the best voice command system he's used. IT'S IN A KIA!!!

How fast does it lap laguna secca?:D