If the C7 is 10% lighter than the C6...
 

and 4-5% more powerful, do you think it will have similar 0-60, 1/4 mile and top speed as the C6 Z06? I'm thinking yes.

Yes, and current Z06 owners will rage and post how pissed they are on the internet

No way its 10% lighter. That's 300 lbs which would bring you in around 2800. If its more than 100lbs lighter, i'd be surprised. 5% lighter would be awesome.

I like 2800, remember the old days 66 chevy II

I still remember out running a street hemi with that car! Top end!

I think we may see a car the will have numbers somewhere inbetween the current base and Z06 with a bump in 2 or 3 years to out perform the Z06 at that point.

I agree that 10% less than a base C6 is a stretch, but I think 3,000 pounds is approachable.
A base 2013 C6 coupe weighs 3,225 pounds according to Chevrolet's website. Assuming Car and Driver is correct and the C7 does have an aluminum frame, this is a major weight saving. In the case of the steel verses aluminum frames on C6's, the aluminum frame weighs 136 pounds less than the steel frame. So, for the purpose of the discussion, a base C6 would weigh 3,089 pounds if it had the Z06/ZR1 frame. Now, the 3,000 weight on the C7 that we're hoping for doesn't seem so far out of reach.

Jimmy

When the C6 came out - didn't the base C6 essentially meet the C5 Z06 performance numbers - I could swear it did...

No. Some people here swear it did, but it did not. Similar horsepower does not mean equal performance. Not even with the Z51 package. The LS3 helped narrow the gap though.

The C6 Grand Sport is probably the closest non-Z C6 competitor for the C5 Z06. Their performance numbers are about equal. The C5 Z is very impressive for a 10 year old car.

My theory.... They will leave a hp bump in the car for a few years down the road to trigger new buyers when sales decline as they inevitably will. I never posted on the hp thread but I'm thinking 460ish at the opening gun. The weight is a tougher question but I'm doubting its going to be much less leaving a substantial hp difference. From there 0-60 is basically a launch test and the Z will have more grip unless there is going to be a larger tire option that has yet to be announced.

I'm sure the base C7 is going to murder the C6Z06 in the 1/4 mile, on road courses and definitely in the looks department..I almost forgot the interior will also be superior..C6Z06 days are numbered...lmmfao

I can't describe how bad I want a 2xxx curb weight.

Kinda like when the Grand Sport came out :rofl:

The C6Z is already a good bit lighter than the base C6. No way the C7 is going to be significantly lighter than a C6Z.

The C7 is already down 35 HP to a C6Z, old school racing nuts will tell you it's going to need to be 350 pounds lighter to keep up.

More like 6.5% lighter. And it won't be faster then a speeding bullet(AKA Z06).

i say we shut the forums down until Sunday night ladies.. we will find out soon enough

Actually, there's not much difference in weight. These numbers are straight from Chevrolet's website:
2013 Corvette Coupe 1LT weighs 3,225 pounds
2013 Corvette Z06 1LZ weights 3,175 pounds

So, assuming Car and Driver is correct on the C7 specs (all Carbon Fiber body panels, Aluminum frame, Carbon Fiber floorboards), it is very possible the base C7 will be a good deal lighter than a Z06.

Jimmy

Yeah, the c7 is going 2 be faster. Especially , on the straight.It's not only about the weight, its about the new transmission, new traction system and the things like that...
So, yeah, feel sorry for the guys that are planning 2 keep their c6s...

Dave Hill said the c6 Z51 would be 75% of the performer the C5Z was. He was right for sure. It's probably more like 90%, unless you are specifically talking about on track performance only.

I think the bar they set is have it come as close to the previous generation Z06 as possible. Just like in this case, the previous gen Z06 would be better on track....because it's a Z06.

Raising the bar baby.

I think we'll see the C6Z outperform the C7 slowly but steadily in a straight line, similar to the LS2 C6 being outperformed by the C5Z despite very close power.

The Z is a very aggressive overall package. Monster tires for traction, lighter than the base car, geared aggressively, and a mountain of torque and power under the curve. Guess we'll see what we get with the C7, but I'd bet the farm on significantly narrower tires than the Z has. Maybe since they won't be Crapyears.... err I mean Goodyears they'll even out some of the size difference though...

I'm hoping the C7 comes close, but assuming the best it can reach is 3000 lbs even, it will need around 480hp to compete with the Z06 on power to weight. Torque, and total power range are harder to compare. The C6Z is a monster...

I don't think we'll see quite enough HP, quite enough torque, quite enough traction, in a light enough car for the C7 to beat the C6Z in a straight line....

I'm excited to see though.

ET might come close, trap speed will favor the car with more power. I had a Z06, don't anymore. But I don't know why I'd be pissed as someone mentioned. Maybe he thinks that the owners of Blue Flame sixes still haven't gotten over V8's being put in Corvettes.

I was one of the first C6 owners. I had two close friends with C5 Z06's - both with headers, cold air and a tune. They pulled me slightly and that is with the mods. I promise you that bone stock the cars were virtually even. It would be a pissing match to call one faster than the other.

i dont, C6Z is still a fantastic car, evolution (hopefully) will always bring us foreward :thumbs:

Rune

You can bet your ass, C6 Z06 owners will be pissed. :yesnod: BUT, I don't think they have anything to worry about. Now the 427 convertible, that is another story, it better not be to cocky when a C7 Coupe pulls up beside it.

it will definitely be lighter than a base C6 but some of you guys that are thinking lighter than a C6 Z06 are crazy, and if it is, it better be a crap load lighter to out perform it on a track, given the HP/ tq numbers we know. I just don't see it, but hey anything can happen this day and age. I will say the C7 will probably be a better driving car than the C6 Z06 but just not a better performer. Could be really close, It will be interesting when the Nurburgring lap times are done . That will be the true test in my book.

I have a z06 and not planning on getting a c7 right away , why would I be pissed ? I'm sure the c7 will be spectacular and all but unless they come out with a c7 zo6 I'm sure on the track I can hang with a base c7 if not whip it's azz (depending on the driver) or the quarter mile . That's my opinion

Sure it could be lighter, but if the C7 has 470 HP it's going to need to be 350 pounds lighter. If it's 450HP it's going to need a 550 pound weight advantage.

I think some members are seeing the world thru the C7 rose colored glasses. The C6Z is a devastatingly fast car and already pretty short on weight. It's got more displacement and easily more power than the C7 will.

I fall in to the "reasonable" crowd who think the C7 will fall between the C6 and C6Z performance wise.

Some of you people assume that the entire self-worth of every corvette owner is somehow, ridiculously, intertwined with not being outdone/outrun/outclassed. Some of us are beyond the physical and mental age of 18... I EXPECT the C7 in some form to trump the C6 Z06 and ZR1 (and I own a C6Z). If the base C7 can keep up with a C6 Z06, great! That demonstrates progress and will ensure the corvette remains an incredible bargain for the performance.

As for weight - I suspect the new vette will be very close to 3000 lbs because it will be slightly smaller. Take a look at the unlocked video as of today. The new frame has slightly different proportions when you look at the front, midsection, and rear. The rear part of the frame where the hydroformed rails are again narrower appears to be shorter in length. I suspect this may indicate a slightly smaller car.

When the C5Z came out, Chevrolet was careful not to exceed the hp of the
C4 ZR-1. That's their modus operandi. Then they slowly pull away.
C7 base may very well be same hp/lb ratio a C6 Z. But the lighter car will always run better simply due to lower MASS.
I have been communicating w a power train guy on a different forum. He does WOT tuning for the Corvette and says "hang on to your hats".
Hype? He sounds pretty enthusiastic.

Without doubt, the C7 Corvette is going to be a great car and better in most every way than the C6. Will it outperform the C6 Z06? I would be very surprised if the base C7 will outperform the outgoing Z06, except maybe for fuel economy.

Will the new Base C7 outperform the Ferrari 458 Italia? Fat chance, but the Z06 will and then some. Will the Base C7 outperform the new Viper? Not likely, but the old dinosaur ZR1 will, and Z06 with Z07 options would most likely hang with it.

Just sayin.

:iagree:

The Ferrari 458 Italia has a Newer Transmission (7-speed twin clutch paddle shift), and more horse power, but for some reason it's still slower than a Z06. Oh, and it gets much worse fuel economy.

Why would C6Z guys be ticked? Eight model years of a great run plus mopping the floor with almost everything since 2005. The first exotic fighter C4 ZR-1 met the same fate. The cycle continues. I don't believe the "no more 427s" quotes. Too much marketing potential and excitement to ignore it. GM has been saying "yes we can" to the masses saying, "no they can't" since the LT5.

I specifically remember Dave Hill saying that the 427 displacement was purely coincidence......uh huh.

C6Z owner - Wouldn't be pissed at all. I expect the car to continue to evolve, that is progress and I welcome it. I have high hopes for the C7, one could be in my garage.

I'm sure there are more reasons, but off the top of my head...

1.) New cars don't change the performance of my car. Its the same and impressive as it ever was.
2.) I paid significantly less for my C6Z than it would have cost to get me into even a no-frills base C7 and won't be hit nearly as hard by depreciation.
3.) I've been able to drive a car long before the C7 announcement, let alone availability.
4.) The LS7/7.0L/427 is pretty special and while its unclear if it'll come back again, if it does, it certainly won't be in a base C7.

GM says C6 3208 here:http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-sp...imensions.html

FWIW to get to the same power to weight as a C6Z, a 3,000 pound C7 needs 481 HP, a 2,800 can do it with about 455.

This of course totally leaves out the fact that the C7 will not have any rear tires close to what the C6Z has.

If the C7 is 10% lighter, as some in the media are saying, its going to be very close.

Don't forget rotational mass. Even at similar weights, where is the CG?

Lots of C6Z owners will not be pissed, but then there are some that will be, the same types who argue profusely on the "C7 faster with E85" thread or the ones who post in anger that the GS was made with similar body to the Z06 but for less cost.

10% reduction is -320lbs, C7 2900 lbs at 465hp = 6.23 that beats a 2013 Z06 3175 lbs at 505hp for 6.28 lbs per hp.

I cant wait to see the 3200lb, 700hp ZR1:)

:cheers:

+ better transmission

Don't forget the better aero too...:thumbs:

:iagree: Tons and tons of them.:lol:

AHA, SURE)))) just watch the video baby))

Furthermore, 458 italia owns even the zr1))) so yeah))

My bet would be that "if" the C6Z is faster than the C7, it will be no more than 1 to 2 tenths of a second faster. I would suspect that the C7 will be faster to 100 or 120 than the C6 Z due in large part to the new transmission. My suspicion is that 5th and 6th gear will be much more usable on the C7. I also would expect that the updated/more advanced traction control will help to mitigate the tire size difference. In summery, between the lower weight and higher HP of the base model combined with the new transmission and better traction control, the C7 should be on par performance wise with the C6Z even if the C6Z has more power than the base C7. Like I said, if the C6Z is faster in 0-60, it will damn close and damn near neglidgeable.

That said, all this faster mumbo jumbo is just that. While the C6 Corvette boasts very nice 0-60 times, it was never designed to be a stop light racer inspite of the fact that it does do it well. It was designed in large part with track in mind and I would expect the same from the C7. Most of you guys worrying about it being faster than the C6Z seem to be more concerned about who gets to the next stoplight first which is kind of silly in my opinion. For me, my bigger concern is about the handling which I expect to be stellar on the C7 and I also expect much more potential in that department over the C6. I for one like the canyons. Sure it's fun to floor it up the freeway on ramp but I would much rather enjoy a very spirited drive through a fast canyon than wasting my tires away trying to accelerate as fast as I can.

As far as C6Z owners being pissed.. I own an 09 Z06 and I am nothing but excited about the C7. If the base model is faster than the C6Z, I will be just fine with it. Matter of fact, I will be rather happy because it means that my next car will trump my current one which happens to be not only the best car I have ever owned but also my favorite thus far.

Fun to watch for sure. A single performance metric.

How about this??

"Let's get this out of the way right now: The Z06 decimated the competition around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. The devilish Chevrolet, which showed up with 666 miles on the odometer, was more than a second faster around the track than the second-place Ferrari 458 Italia, and faster still than every other contender. No car was even close to the time laid down by the LS7-engined monster, despite the fact that the Fezza, the Lexus, the Audi, the Mercedes, and the Nissan all packed more horsepower."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...#ixzz2HcnqYgT9

just words. when it comes 2 face to face battle -ferrari458(less hp) is faster on the straight line. Faster than the zr1, not talking about the z06...

I guess it's possible, I just don't think it will have 465HP, and I really don't think it will weigh 2,800 pounds.

How can you say the C7 will be faster to 100 or 120 if you don't know the gear ratios in the new transmission. For all you know, 1st through 4th could be geared the same as a Z06, and they just added another overdrive gear placed between 4th and 5th. The gear ratios have not been released yet, so you can't claim better gearing up to 100 or 120.

Hopefully, 5th and 6th gears are more user friendly on the C7 vs the Z06. When I shift into 5th gear with my Z06 at 149 MPH, that .72:1 5th gear dosen't pull to hard. If I had the ZR1's 5th gear at .82:1 it would pull stronger all the way to 202 MPH before shifting to 6th gear. But, on the street neither a Z06 or a C7 will see 149 in 4th gear legally, and very few tracks allow you to hit that speed.

Do people really buy these cars to with the priority being faster in a straight line than a Ferrari?? Some maybe but not that many. Also, I highly doubt that a guy who plunks down 3X-5X the cost of a Corvette is really concerned about how fast his Ferrari gets to the next light or how fast he gets down the 1/4 mile.. Sure the Vettes are fast in a straight line but the fact is that GM didn't design the Corvette with a straight 1/4 mile track in mind just as Ferrari didn't design their cars with that in mind. These cars about about overall performance which includes both power and handling. A Mustang or Camaro on the other hand is more about going fast in a straight line but that is where it ends. Put some twisty turns in front it and the Vette will eat them alive!

While those concerns surely apply to some, rest assured that most future C7 owners will be more than happy with how fast the C7 is in a straight line even if a car that costs 2-3x more is a fraction of a second faster 0-60.

"Just words".....Priceless.

Jimmy

C7 vs C6Z06 will be a repeat of C6 vs C5Z06.

The race will be close enough that a lot of people will say they're essentially the same.

And the comparison will be repeated enough that, for the next decade, owners of the older track-ready car will come out swinging with angry factoids and anecdotes proving their baby is NOT in fact beaten.

And the data will suggest that they're right, but to a slim enough degree that the newer car will be overwhelmingly acknowledged as the better street car.

And some will nod their heads sagely, and many will roll their eyes and mutter "this again?"

.Jinx

Pick your poison, drag strip or road course, me in C6ZR1 you in a 458......who wins? LOL

I never said 2800,it doesn't need to weigh 2800 only 2900, and this is based on media reports of a 10% reduction, I'm not saying this will happen, it's only a possibility. beats the hell out of having another tail light thread.:D

To quote myself, I said I would "expect". That would imply a bit of speculation and I do think that is a reasonable assumption. The C6Z has a great first gear and I would hope they retain similar gearing from 1-3 however, I do think that with the advent of 7 forward gears, there is room to improve on gears 2-6 with 7 being the overdrive. I certainly don't think that they are building this car with a 210-220MPH top speed. I think it's reasonable to assume that they would keep the ratio between all gears at least up to 6th gear to be such that they improve upon power to the ground while gear 7 will be used primarily to improve highway milage. If their target top speed is similar to that of the C6, than its safe to assume that the new transmission will be geared with performance in mind as the first priority and fuel efficiency improvement being the second priority.

OK fair enough, I don't think it will weigh 2,900 either. :D

C6 z06 will just slightly beat performance pack c7.

Take that to the bank. The c6 z06 will be quicker

I wouldn't go assuming all this just yet, with the C5Z06 to C6, you had an increase in displacement on the motor, and the performance between a C5 and a C5Z is nothing like it is with a C6 and C6Z.

There has to be room at the table for a ZR1 or Z06 model C7. GM is going todo less with this car initially not more. People that think GM's intention with the C7 is to built a track car to go run against Ferrari's and Vipers are wrong. They are more interested in getting the shape, colors and interior right. The performance function is that of the purpose built ZR1 and Z06 cars.

:thumbs:...whatever it weighs i'm sure it's going to be a great Corvette...:flag:

I would love for it to outperform my Z! This would mean, in another year, the higher performance model would be a beast, which I am looking to get :thumbs: Unfortunately, I am not sure it will...

Agree they need to leave room on the table for more performance on the C7 Z06 and ZR1 models but given the new direct injection and what has been pointed out by others as low compression, it seems they left the door wide open for improved power be it with added compression and tuning or forced induction.

As for track built or not track built, I would argue that the C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 were based on nearly identical chassis as the base C6 with the primary difference being the materials the C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 chassis were contructed with. That's not including the performance differences or suspension and brakes. Those items were added to the upgraded base chassis to improve upon an already race inspired chassis.

The C7 base chassis incorporates many improvements over the C6 base chassis including the more exotic or lightweight materials that were part of the upgrades on the C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 chassis. Given that, one can conclude that the C7 chassis is in fact race inspired since it includes most of the chassis based improvements that were included on their performance based older brothers (C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1). I am also not sure there will be much room let alone need to upgrade the base model chassis short of suspension and brakes for future performance enhanced C7's. I would surmise that the biggest differences we will likely see beyond brakes, suspension and larger wheel/tires will be with the engine upgrades.

I am skeptical as most of the new c7 drivers will be heavier then they were when they first bought their C6.

:rofl: Not the slogan i think they were going with :rofl: but good one

He does, he's in a 458 :rock:

The Ferrari 458 is magical :cool:

I love all the C6Z owners saying they don't mind if the BASE C7 is quicker. :rofl: Just wait, if it happens, there will be so much whinning and excuses it will be pitiful. Remember the GS threads? Remember when the ZR1 dominated the Z06? Oh yea, it will be a huge whine fest. But you guys are lucky because I don't think it will happen, so you all can come here and BS, because you also obviously don't think it will either.

Not at Laguna Seca....:leaving:

Lol

I know you're just trying to stir the pot (seems to be your speciality) but...

1.) While some C6Z owners are a bit insecure, there are a few owners that genuinely indifferent. You don't think folks can be happy with what they have? You don't think people who were able to buy a C6Z couldn't obtain a C7 if they truly wanted one? Some people appreciate what they have today and do look forward to progress and seeing the C7 succeeding. Not everyone shares the same insecurities as you do.

2.) You're right, I do remember when the ZR1 came out. I remember thinking '$100k and that's it? AND it has a window on a hood?!' :lol:

Could explain the insecurities part? That made no sense to this thread? :lurk:

In fact if you go check all posts by me on the C7, I have never said anything negative about it, unlike half the trolls in this section right now.

Your response doesn't really make sense. Where did I say they wouldn't buy a C7? :lurk:
I said most Z06 owners are going to be pissed if the BASE C7 is faster than their Z06, and they will.
SOME might not be, but MOST will be. How do I know, I have thread hundreds of threads of what I have previously mentioned and I don't see how they are going to change their minds.

Yea and look how foolish you looked when it went on to be one of the best supercars in the world. :yesnod:

To create tremendous interest from the younger car enthusiast and buzz in the media; I think GM metric for the C7 is the C6Z (they compared the LT1 to the LS7). Therefor, it is safe to assume that the C7 will outperform the the C6Z, even if only marginally. The LT1 might even be slightly detuned to allow for future power increases. The incremental cost between the C7 and the C7 performance variants will be less than that of the C6 generation.

From the way you've criticized others despite what they had said about not caring. Your attitude about their insecurities is a reflection of yourself.

Whats your point?

You're taking it too literally. The point was, you've implied that a newer faster car would irritate certain people. If being faster was the most important thing, wouldn't these people want this newer faster car, especially if it was attainable? Shouldn't they be encouraging this progress so they can run out and buy one themselves?


No, that isn't what you said. You said 'ALL'.

But indeed, some folks would be pissed if that were the case. Don't think it'll happen but the panic would be fun to watch.

Foolish? How so? It is a great car (despite the stupid window) but not necessarily a better value @ 100+k. Instead I got a great car, also competitive with said super cars, for a fraction of the price. The choice was clear to me.

Funny enough, if you think about it, your ZR1 has depreciated more than what I paid for my car. Whose the fool now? :lol:

Just like how the ZR1 was the benchmark for the Viper?

How did that work out for Dodge? :lol:

AIRBUSPILOT! :rofl: :rofl:

Haha, go figure. The big talker settles for a disappointing one liner as some sort of trump card to invalidate logic. That was weak and you know it :lol:

I think its so funny people think z06 performance comes so cheap. Bubububu its a new design! It must be faster than an older design. Um no. The base price is 50k and sure shoot for z06 performance but by actually looking at the pics its common sense to see it won't match the z06. It won't pull the lateral G's, won't stop as quick, and won't have the off the line grip. I mean its laughable to expect the base c7 with the numbers we have been given to be faster than a c6z06.

Also most z06 owners wouldn't care. Most of us could trade in our cars and have a mostly paid off c7 with the equity we have in our cars. It's just common sense the c7 won't be faster. I know you want it to be, because you can't afford a c6z06 or zr1 but its just not.

GM's own performance numbers have the C7 being slower than the C6z though. Not sure where you are coming from.

Considering the c5z was 3115 full fuel, its definitely possible. The big back window is gone, aluminum frame, more carbon. It damn sure seems within reach. A 450+hp vette under 3000lb...that spells trouble. Considering a honda s2000 weighs nearly that much is just mind blowing to consider it having 450hp stock...lol.

Then imagine the z models...whew...I'm ready for this baby...

:rofl:

Just buy a used C7 Z in a few years?

Wow the way some people are throwing out the c6 and its owners is kind of sad. It's like some guys think anyone sticking to a c6 turns into second rate overnight. Some on this board could use some growing up and a reminder that most luxury SUVs have a higher price tag than a base c7. So for members that do end up in one please remember you're not buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini, and treat the c6 brethren accordingly

When I purchased my Z06 I traded in my C5 and wrote a check for the $52,538 difference due. I paid for it in cash, in full.

I could have purchased a C7(if it had been available at that time) and kept the C5, for that same $52,538, and still have money left over to make a car payment on another car each month.

I'm so damn tired of people posting that the C6 Z06 owner can't afford a new C7 so that's the reason the C6 Z06 owners say they aren't interested in buying one. I've never seen so much penis envy as with some on this forum. They are so envious of the C6 Z06, that they believe the base C7 will give them that extra 4" without having to pay for that magic pill. That's all I seem to hear in this section. "The base C7 will be faster then the C6 Z06", The base C7 will have more horsepower then the C6 Z06", The base C7 will run the track 2 seconds faster then the C6 Z06".

It's great if one can afford a new C7, but don't think anyone is one upping the C6 Z06 owner, because they have a new $50,000 car, and the C6 Z06 has an $80,000 car that has depreciated to $50,000.

I bet most of us C6 Z06 owners are just waiting to see how we like the new C7 before opening up our checkbooks. If we like it, we will buy it. If we don't like it, we won't buy it, but it won't be because we can't afford it.

:iagree: and I bet some of us are even keeping our current C6Z06 or ZR1..in addition to getting a base C7, Vert or HiPo version

And our C5, and our C4 ZR-1..........

Friend has a C4 ZR-1. When the C6 Z06 was released he bought one, keeping the C4 ZR-1. When the C6 ZR1 was released, he bought one, keeping the C4 ZR-1 and the C6 Z06.

There are people among us that can afford more then a base Corvette. They are not evil people that need to be destroyed because they have more money then others.

I Don't know where you got all that from, maybe I've not been visiting the forums lately because of how crazy its been. Get used to the c6z being the 'performance benchmark' for the c7 on these forums.. that is testament to how great a track car it really is. Most everyone here knows its unlikely the c7 will exceed c6z performance in the first model year, but based off of history it will be pretty close. However the c7 should exceed it in subsequent years in both base trim as well as the performance variant.

fixed^^

:withstupid:

^^'vert auto for the wife, of course

Just for comparison lets assume the new C7 comes in at 3000#. Add 175# for driver and then compare to a Z06 at 3175# + 175#. You would need a C7 to have 479 hp to equal the Z06 in 1/4 mile performance. I know nobody likes to talk about the Ford GT500 but weighing in at 4025# w/driver using the same calclations the C7 would need 522 hp to equal the GT500 1/4 mile performance. And I think the base pricing is going to be about the same at $54K for either.

Those calculations are off. Since the GT500 doesn't beat the C6z06 in the 1/4 mile, the C7 doesn't need more power against the GT500, than it does for the C6z06.

You're also not taking into account the new transmission(s) or any other technology we don't know about yet..

yeah - this one is about who is gonna see who's tail lights..........:D

:iagree: Or even us poor cousin C6 Z51 owners too...........:hide:

HP is not everything! Torque plays a huge role in acceleration. Also, where the power peaks in the RPM also is very important along with the redline RPM. Then you have the gearing and traction control. As such, you CAN NOT make a blanket statement saying the car needs X HP to be as fast as a Z06 or GT500 for that matter.

I'd bet money that the base model C7 will be no more than two tenths of a second slower than the C6 Z06.I could be wrong but I am pretty confident we will be looking at 0-60 times in the 3.7-3.8 second range (maybe less) on the base model provided they maintain a similar 1st gear that pulls to 60MPH. I think the new engine actually redlines higher than the Z06. If that proves to be the case, they could actually shorten the ratio of 1st gear to improve acceleration while the additional RPM's to redline would still provide enough room to hit 60 before shifting.

For the people who say c6 zo6 owners will be pissed is absurd....... We are waiting for the c7 zo6...... We won't get the base model, not in the same league ...... So he'll ya I'm excited to see the new C7....... C7 zo6 that is..,,,

I'll throw my observations into the mix.

I expect the new LT5 to redline at approximately 6,500 rpm given the GM released video showing the LCD gauges, which appeared to indicate such.

If the C7 does have an aluminum frame like the outgoing ZO6, then it would make sense it would weigh less than the C6ZO6, when you consider the C7's lighter (narrower) wheels/tires (reciprocating mass), lighter transmission, and use of carbon fiber panels.

When the C6 debuted, GM said its performance would be 75% of the difference between a base C5 and a C5ZO6. I would imagine something similar here with the performance of the C7 slotting between the base C6 and the C6ZO6.

Lastly, if I just shelled out $90M for a loaded '13 ZO6 and the following year a $55M base C7 was nipping at my heals, I would not be happy. But that is because I place so much value in the performance of a car and not its other characteristics.

man, i'd be pissed too^^

It's not going to be 10% lighter... but it's also going to be more than just 4-5% more powerful. It'll probably be about half that and twice that, respectively.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:Well said , and i'm glad someone finally said it.