Originally Posted by Shurshot
(Post 1582694968)
BG over at ls1tech made the following remark about the LS7 for the future
"Twin Turbo will be seen sooner then most can expect. Yes a H.O LS7 will be introduced in two future vehicles. That is ALL that I will elaborate on. Any additional questions will be disregarded." |
Originally Posted by Jinx
(Post 1582694877)
You missed the point. A Camaro with an LS7 would slot below the ZL1 and would beat the Boss handily. And no, the GT500 does not rape the ZL1, it just has more horsepower.
The GT500 is faster so yes it rapes it. More Hp & faster. Not sure why you think the ZL1 is the better performer. It's not. |
Originally Posted by Never-Enough
(Post 1582707594)
I didn't miss the point, I just disagree. The 5th gen is a fail IMO. LS7 is just polishing a turd.
The GT500 is faster so yes it rapes it. More Hp & faster. Not sure why you think the ZL1 is the better performer. It's not. - Cop Cars Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8 Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0 -LL1 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9 Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6 Ford Focus St - 3.21.4 Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3 -LL2 Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5 Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5 BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2 -LL3 Merc C63 BlackSeries - 2.58.0 Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9 Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6 Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2 Audi RS5 - 3.04.3 BMW M6 - 3.04.7 BMW M5 - 3.05.2 Audi S6 - 3.09.8 -LL4 Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9 Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1 -LL5 Lexus LFA - 2.55.1 |
Originally Posted by BLKTA
(Post 1582707832)
The ZL1 actually handles very nicely. It bested some impressive machinery (and more expensive) including the GT500 in the Car & Driver 2013 Lightning lap which is run at VIR. Here are the results. Each car is divided into segments based on price.
- Cop Cars Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8 Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0 -LL1 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9 Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6 Ford Focus St - 3.21.4 Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3 -LL2 Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5 Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5 BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2 -LL3 Merc C63 BlackSeries - 2.58.0 Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9 Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6 Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2 Audi RS5 - 3.04.3 BMW M6 - 3.04.7 BMW M5 - 3.05.2 Audi S6 - 3.09.8 -LL4 Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9 Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1 -LL5 Lexus LFA - 2.55.1 |
Originally Posted by Never-Enough
(Post 1582707594)
I didn't miss the point, I just disagree. The 5th gen is a fail IMO. LS7 is just polishing a turd.
BTW, sales figures prove it a success. Remember the car's purpose: to find and please lots of buyers. Camaro is a win. The GT500 is faster so yes it rapes it. More Hp & faster. Not sure why you think the ZL1 is the better performer. It's not. .Jinx |
Originally Posted by Jinx
(Post 1582653852)
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It is not the same engine. Go research the differences and come back when you think you have a good explanation for why the $65K sports sedan and the $55K pony car don't have the same engine as the $120K sports car. from what I have found looking at GM media online they even say both have the same compression ratio.. The only physical differences they list for the LS9 are. Stainless Steel exhaust Forged steel main bearing caps forged titanium connecting rods larger supercharger integrated dual coolant to air inter-cooler titanium inlet valves forged pistons and Hollow steel exhaust valves An LS9 crate engine can be had for $21k, an LSA crate engine can be had for $12k. That is only $9k difference. I think a 638hp CTS-V would have sold well with a base price of $73k. The explanation is if they allowed any other GM vehicle to have the same HP without charging as much it would have detracted from, and exposed that they could have sold the ZR1 for less. And there is no way they could get over $100k for a CTS-V or Camaro ZL1. |
That is a HUGE and important different parts list you wrote, but I digress.
The XLRV with 440hp sold for over $100k not that many moons ago. The zr1 is seriously expensive, but is also far more limited in that its base model(c6) doesn't sell in bulk(like the cts). It's buyers see that. I agree, a $75k ctsv with the ls9 would be a great buy. But it apparently wasn't made to compete with $75k cars. It competes, and beats, cars at the $65k price as well as many others. Also don't forget the smart companies design a car as a package. So 638hp would demand say, 15" brakes all around on the V, plus immensely stronger clutch, trans, axles, etc. 90hp is a big deal when it comes to durability. Now could an $85k well built ctsv sell? Logically yes. But I think more importantly, this was Cadillac's first serious fray into the performance luxury segment. That's hugely important to keep in mind, as just because you build it in the luxury segment, doesn't mean they'll come, all because of what stupid emblem is attached. The price and power were where they determined they need to be, to sell enough cars and still make a splash. |
Originally Posted by JasonH
(Post 1582698345)
Two future vehicles? If true, does the mean the 4-door "SS" vehicle? I can't imagine what else in the lineup would take a LS7 well. I'd be very interested to se what a LS7 SS would look like. Perhaps something like the HSV W427 that they built in super limited numbers?
http://youtu.be/G2784bhdxPE |
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