Originally Posted by jmc5
(Post 1581208726)
I don't care for any of the property seizure laws.
If the guy is a criminal, he will be convicted in court, and the court may impose a financial fine to recover money that was illegally earned. The property seizure laws are simply enticement for bad officers to do their worst, and temptation to drag good officers into the muck. |
Originally Posted by Mr. Gizmo
(Post 1581208711)
don't slip up and get caught -- Mr. Blagojevich and his husband will be waiting for you in their cell.
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Originally Posted by Maligator
(Post 1581208784)
all joking aside, because you dont seem to abrasive, there isnt a damn thing that will make me go to the dark side of the force and lose my job.............Im in it to make it to retirement, collect my sweet pension and watch my kids grow up.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Gizmo
(Post 1581208821)
I know - just having a little fun. :cheers: to a fellow Z owner.
Even though he was a crook, he was good to our department. We are so thin on officers we can barely provide the services to people, he at least saw that and let us hire people. There are parts of the state where you can get in an accident and wait 2-3 hours for a trooper to respond. Imagine if that was a lifesaving incident where someone needed immediate medical attention (we are usually first on scene), very sad........... |
Originally Posted by Maligator
(Post 1581208850)
cheers buddy! and btw Gov Quinn is more f'd up than Rod...........Free Rod, Free Rod!!!!!!!
Even though he was a crook, he was good to our department. We are so thin on officers we can barely provide the services to people, he at least saw that and let us hire people. There are parts of the state where you can get in an accident and wait 2-3 hours for a trooper to respond. Imagine if that was a lifesaving incident where someone needed immediate medical attention (we are usually first on scene), very sad........... Several years back, I was really put off by being told I had to align myself with Lobbyists, that were the biggest bunch of crooks ever that only wanted money and for me to raise my prices so they could skim off the top. I wouldn't go down that path. -- Now with Senate Bill 51 the State is at a great stand still contributing even more so to the issues you describe above. good luck to you and I hope that state can live up to its future pension obligations. |
Originally Posted by Mr. Gizmo
(Post 1581208984)
I have tried to do business with the State of Illinois to provide technology that would help the state identify welfare and workers comp fraud. we could save the state a lot so that money could be put to better use. It was frustrating.
Several years back, I was really put off by being told I had to align myself with Lobbyists, that were the biggest bunch of crooks ever that only wanted money and for me to raise my prices so they could skim off the top. I wouldn't go down that path. -- Now with Senate Bill 51 the State is at a great stand still contributing even more so to the issues you describe above. good luck to you and I hope that state can live up to its future pension obligations. |
The sheriff dept in Raleigh seized a black Z06 a few years ago and have been busting peoples asses since with traffic tickets.
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Originally Posted by NC_EB_Z06
(Post 1581209995)
The sheriff dept in Raleigh seized a black Z06 a few years ago and have been busting peoples asses since with traffic tickets.
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Originally Posted by Maligator
(Post 1581208763)
I agree with you that a majority of it is screwed up, but how do you think it entices us to do bad things? I personally dont benefit in anyway from making a seizure. If I come to work and do 8 hours of nothing or 8 hours of (on my level) police work, my paycheck is the same...........are you referring to the actual seizing of currency and bad cops taking money????
a decision that the person is guilty of what they have been charged with. Many of the most egregious offenses reported here are committed by departments that do benefit directly from the seizures. These tend to be what you see on flashy news media "60 minutes" style expose pieces. However, even in the case of no direct benefit, someone in the government is benefitting (profitting) from the police department taking property without a trial. Often times recovery of property wrongly seized is impossible due to the financial means of the people the property is seized from. Even for those with means, if a 35k car is stolen, and it costs 30k + a year or two in court to recover the property, the smart move is to write it off and just let your property be taken. As to the temptation, it can be very subtle and indirect. Higher up #1 says "Hey, we can profit from seizing more property, just like the law says we can!" This gets passed down the line, and down the line. Finally, you're getting your daily pep talk from your direct supervisor, and he says "Hey, the bosses are really paying attention to our seizure numbers, and we aren't doing our job. You guys should be able to find more of this stuff, there are bad guys out there! Go get em!" This is the sort of temptation I'm talking about. Do you press a bad situation into a seizure? Its not really clear that the guy is 100% guilty, but you know that he isn't innocent. And if the bosses are watching, your choices are full court press or let him go. Maybe he isn't guilty, but letting him go doesn't seem right either... Tempting to just shaft the guy and let him deal with it... |
Originally Posted by jmc5
(Post 1581210396)
I'm referring to any seizure of property prior to an actual trial and
a decision that the person is guilty of what they have been charged with. Many of the most egregious offenses reported here are committed by departments that do benefit directly from the seizures. These tend to be what you see on flashy news media "60 minutes" style expose pieces. However, even in the case of no direct benefit, someone in the government is benefitting (profitting) from the police department taking property without a trial. Often times recovery of property wrongly seized is impossible due to the financial means of the people the property is seized from. Even for those with means, if a 35k car is stolen, and it costs 30k + a year or two in court to recover the property, the smart move is to write it off and just let your property be taken. As to the temptation, it can be very subtle and indirect. Higher up #1 says "Hey, we can profit from seizing more property, just like the law says we can!" This gets passed down the line, and down the line. Finally, you're getting your daily pep talk from your direct supervisor, and he says "Hey, the bosses are really paying attention to our seizure numbers, and we aren't doing our job. You guys should be able to find more of this stuff, there are bad guys out there! Go get em!" This is the sort of temptation I'm talking about. Do you press a bad situation into a seizure? Its not really clear that the guy is 100% guilty, but you know that he isn't innocent. And if the bosses are watching, your choices are full court press or let him go. Maybe he isn't guilty, but letting him go doesn't seem right either... Tempting to just shaft the guy and let him deal with it... |
and jmc5 as a perfect example a "criminal" last night we had which was his 9th time caught while driving with his license suspended, had six thousand dollars in currency on him. All neatly wrapped in rubber bands in 100 dollar increments, like he worked for the IRS. When asked what he did for a living he said "unemployed" and when he was asked to post bond he tried to use a link card. This, is the vomit that I work with; on its face for what im posting it looks like joe shmo with some money. On my end I see a sbird with drug money on him trying to use a link card (our tax dollars) to get out of jail. Really? Here us vet owners are getting into a pissing match (not you and I) when many hardened criminals are continuing there way of life on our dime!!!!!!!!!! This society, government and judicial system makes me want to puke. Most people think cops are the reason society is jacked beyond repair and let me go off on a tangent: There are bad, half brained cops that couldn't tell a green light from a red light; I will give you guys that. BUT there are IDIOTS who are picking the cops to be cops!!!! I swear this is worse than the chicken and the egg argument. Personally, I go out and try to prove people wrong........Hopefully that lands me in heaven and not hell...........
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Originally Posted by Maligator
(Post 1581210768)
Personally, I go out and try to prove people wrong........Hopefully that lands me in heaven and not hell...........
we had a masserati taken from a dealer a few years back but we sent it back to CA...right now we have approx 50 cars in our lot just sitting there...owners in prison or already done with their sentences but the cars are still sitting...three auctions but no buyers...i guess they want the cars for $1...ahem, oh well...new DARE car coming! |
jmc5...we don't have to press or lie about drug seizures...often times, they are flaunting their ill-gotten gains so much, you have to be blind to miss it! one of the last ones i had was a guy riding a land rover...very clean...ran a redlight...clearly...truck reeks of weed...yeah, a nice bundle inside, with baggies and a scale...with an AK47...blessed that he respected LEO's enough to not try and shoot me...he took his charge and lost his ride...that same guy is out now and has...guess what? a frickin c6 vert now!!!...lol...i still wave at him from my c5 now that i'm off the street...is he still dealing? dunno...if it is meant for him to get caught again, it will happen
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Originally Posted by Maligator
(Post 1581210664)
\HOWEVER, the word temptation should be replaced with pressure, deadlines, quotas or any other synonymous term that is used in the workplace. I dont feel temptation when im working, I feel pressure from the higher ups to produce. \.......
Similiar situation for me, we have contracts our customers have to abide by, - I guess I can compare that to the law. Sometimes customers knowingly and unknowingly breach the contract. Its tempting to shaft the customer and let them deal with it when the issue is vague or ambiguous. It burns lots of bridges, but it helps make quota deadlines. And when your company is reporting to shareholders and you are trying to keep your stock price high, you do what you have to do to make the higher ups happy. The big difference for me is I don't have to worry about fortune 100 companies or government entities that I deal with pulling a gun on me and blowing my brains out. |
Maligator???
Maligator??....where is Kevin and what have you done to him?
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Originally Posted by GOLD72
(Post 1581172349)
:iagree: Especially if it is NBC, MSNBC, CBS, NY Times, etc. Also good at lying by omission and taking content out of context.
I never listen to the lame stream media. It's all propaganda. |
Originally Posted by KNIPPS
(Post 1581238679)
Maligator??....where is Kevin and what have you done to him?
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