Originally Posted by obxchartercaptain
(Post 1580559699)
:iagree:...And from what I have read, it's "supposed" to have a Dual Clutch setup
Originally Posted by thebrander
(Post 1580560998)
Are you sure the 5th gen doesn't out handle the 1st gen despite the extra weight? (i.e. lateral g's, braking distance, slalom, lap times, etc.)
The new car handles, stops and yes even still accelerates better than the any of the standard (ie: non COPO/non Yenko type models) 1st gen cars (or even the 2nd or 3rdgen cars as well). Even the V6 model is capable of low 14s (or even high 13s in the right conditions). I've personally driven a barely bolt ons only 2010 V6 to a 13.6@102mph. On a set of modern drag radials/slicks there's even a chance that a 1st gen Z28 or SS396 could out accelerate a current gen SS, but maybe not. And of course the new Camaro ZL1 will literally trounce ANY Camaro that's come before it on any type of track. :steering: |
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
(Post 1580562402)
And of course the new Camaro ZL1 will literally trounce ANY Camaro that's come before it on any type of track. :steering:
The ZL-1 '69s went 11.60s to 11.80s on 6.5" wide tires, all day, stock. I think even with 550hp, people are going to have a tough time driving the new ZL1 to 11.5 or better. Remember, the rated power on the original 427 in those cars was 430, though all the engine dynos have shown perfectly recreated engines out of NOS pieces to put out over 500, and sometimes up to 550... which, coincidentally is what the new car is openly claiming... though this one needs a blower. :) |
Originally Posted by SlickShoes
(Post 1580562841)
The ZL-1 '69s went 11.60s to 11.80s on 6.5" wide tires, all day, stock.
Still impressive of course. :yesnod:
Originally Posted by SlickShoes
(Post 1580562841)
I think even with 550hp, people are going to have a tough time driving the new ZL1 to 11.5 or better.
I've been drag racing/'ET chasing' in modern era cars for many years now, I've put a bolt ons only LS2 car solidly into the 10s multiple time and even a bolt ons only LS1 car into the high 11s. I'm quite confident that a bone stock 5th gen Camaro ZL1 will run at least an 11.8 second 1/4 mile pass in pure bone stock (right down to tires and paper air filter) before 2012 is over. With only the addition (replacement) of drag radials the car should go at worst an 11.5. Time will tell. I think these very recent test results of a barely bolt ons only ZL1 back this up: http://blogs.hotrod.com/the-race-to-the-10s-23325.html |
Originally Posted by thebrander
(Post 1580560998)
Are you sure the 5th gen doesn't out handle the 1st gen despite the extra weight? (i.e. lateral g's, braking distance, slalom, lap times, etc.)
What I am saying is the new model would be so much better if it weighed the same as the 1969 model. Generally speaking weight is the enemy. Although there can be tradeoffs. A slightly heavier brake system could dramatically improve braking. Think how fabulous the new ZL1 would perform if it were 600 pounds lighter, most of off the front end. |
Originally Posted by Racer X
(Post 1580563154)
I sure the new model probably does outperform it on all those things, in spite of the weight. However, you can easily change that with swaping a few parts on the original. You won't be able to easily drop 600 pounds off the new model.
What I am saying is the new model would be so much better if it weighed the same as the 1969 model. Generally speaking weight is the enemy. Although there can be tradeoffs. A slightly heavier brake system could dramatically improve braking. Think how fabulous the new ZL1 would perform if it were 600 pounds lighter, most of off the front end. |
Originally Posted by Racer X
(Post 1580563154)
I sure the new model probably does outperform it on all those things, in spite of the weight. However, you can easily change that with swaping a few parts on the original. You won't be able to easily drop 600 pounds off the new model.
What I am saying is the new model would be so much better if it weighed the same as the 1969 model. Generally speaking weight is the enemy. Although there can be tradeoffs. A slightly heavier brake system could dramatically improve braking. Think how fabulous the new ZL1 would perform if it were 600 pounds lighter, most of off the front end. |
Originally Posted by rcallen484
(Post 1580563179)
Not to mention that the '69 looks a lot better and has far greater visibility from inside the coupe.
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Originally Posted by Racer X
(Post 1580563154)
I sure the new model probably does outperform it on all those things, in spite of the weight. However, you can easily change that with swaping a few parts on the original. You won't be able to easily drop 600 pounds off the new model.
What I am saying is the new model would be so much better if it weighed the same as the 1969 model. Generally speaking weight is the enemy. Although there can be tradeoffs. A slightly heavier brake system could dramatically improve braking. Think how fabulous the new ZL1 would perform if it were 600 pounds lighter, most of off the front end. Pretty impressive technology roadmap GM is on using the MR shocks and PTM to make 4200lbs lap like a 3200lb Z06, followed by a focus (I assume) on weight reduction to take the performance to the next level. |
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
(Post 1580563056)
Generally speaking, no one ever ran (nor recorded) those cars in pure BONE STOCK trim with just a tire swap, it was quite common to 'tune' those cars with different carburetor jetting changes and uncorked/open headers so that part about doing it being 'stock' might be a little misleading.
Still impressive of course. :yesnod: 580hp actually. I've been drag racing/'ET chasing' in modern era cars for many years now, I've put a bolt ons only LS2 car solidly into the 10s multiple time and even a bolt ons only LS1 car into the high 11s. I'm quite confident that a bone stock 5th gen Camaro ZL1 will run at least an 11.8 second 1/4 mile pass in pure bone stock (right down to tires and paper air filter) before 2012 is over. With only the addition (replacement) of drag radials the car should go at worst an 11.5. Time will tell. I think these very recent test results of a barely bolt ons only ZL1 back this up: http://blogs.hotrod.com/the-race-to-the-10s-23325.html I specifically neglected to say it was going to be impossible in lieu of saying it's going to be extremely difficult for most people (99% of buyers and testers) to best the times of the original ZL1 by any repeatable margin. When the car hits the public in any substantial numbers, if I'm wrong and everybody and their mom is going low 11's in them, I will happily grill up some crow and butter my foot. :lol: For now, I'm confidently skeptical. In addition, the 11.60's to 11.80's times that I researched were the un-tweaked claims for those cars. The ones with rejetted carbs, silly timing thrown at them, uncorked exhausts, etc (tuned cars) were going high 10's. The records are there, and can be read from myriad sources. |
Originally Posted by SlickShoes
(Post 1580573386)
And I commend you, as well as the other CF hotshoes here who've managed wring such amazing times out of these cars, but you're the anomalies. The exceptions, not the rules. If that was commonplace, then everybody would be able to put stock C6Z's in the 10's on runflats like Ranger. "Bolt-on" 10 second LS2 cars are unicorns. Hell, bolt-on 11 second LS2 cars even are still less common than the more average bolt-on 12 second LS2 cars.
I specifically neglected to say it was going to be impossible in lieu of saying it's going to be extremely difficult for most people (99% of buyers and testers) to best the times of the original ZL1 by any repeatable margin. When the car hits the public in any substantial numbers, if I'm wrong and everybody and their mom is going low 11's in them, I will happily grill up some crow and butter my foot. :lol: For now, I'm confidently skeptical. In addition, the 11.60's to 11.80's times that I researched were the un-tweaked claims for those cars. The ones with rejetted carbs, silly timing thrown at them, uncorked exhausts, etc (tuned cars) were going high 10's. The records are there, and can be read from myriad sources. |
Originally Posted by obxchartercaptain
(Post 1580559699)
:iagree:...And from what I have read, it's "supposed" to have a Dual Clutch setup, a better interior with "modern" electronics.
I bet it gets a much improved paddle shifted torque converter auto. Which may provide adequate shift speed, and likely higher durability than some dual clutch set-ups. |
Originally Posted by OnPoint
(Post 1580575801)
I bet it gets a much improved paddle shifted torque converter auto.
Which may provide adequate shift speed, and likely higher durability than some dual clutch set-ups. |
I see the GTR trans holding up just fine after some upgrades.... Don't hate me, i want a DCT inside a Corvette.
The Porsche boxster spyder has one and its simply AWESOME. |
Originally Posted by HighlanderX
(Post 1580576081)
I see the GTR trans holding up just fine after some upgrades....
http://www.blog.automotiveaddicts.co...ission-failure
Originally Posted by HighlanderX
(Post 1580576081)
Don't hate me, i want a DCT inside a Corvette.
But I can also still deal with the C7 having a traditional style automatic as long as it's strong and functions well with at least some 'sporting' feel about it. :yesnod: |
The problem is that it will not hold to the z06/zr1 power reliably. Which is why I think the best solution is the DCT.
Yes, now they are holding and previously you would have to buy a new trans for $20k in order to get the car going. The car had its misshaps. |
Originally Posted by HighlanderX
(Post 1580576214)
The problem is that it will not hold to the z06/zr1 power reliably. Which is why I think the best solution is the DCT.
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Which is a bad decision...
here they have sold 15 gtrs this year alone on a single dealer of a friend of mine and he tells me that interestingly enough, most were corvette owners... Maybe is the market here.. but i believe gm would sell a lot more Z06/ZR1 if they had an "auto" as an OPTION. |
Go to www.corvetteblogger.com and see the video.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
(Post 1580576261)
True, the advent/introduction of a strong new DCT/SMG style trans could finally mean the availability of an automatic in the Z06 and ZR1 models, :yesnod: but I have a feeling that those two models will still maintain/follow the 'Viper concept' of a traditional 'three pedal' type manual transmission only.
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