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topls69 02-24-2012 09:01 PM

seams like theres a lot to know about these blocks, I have a machine shop and have seen 10's of thousands of small blocks and never came across one of these. the date code is D ? 6 (2nd number is not clear) the pad stamping is CE6P23780 maybe someone knows how to decifer the stamp also.

topls69 02-24-2012 09:17 PM

and the block came from the factory a 4 bolt, not converted by a machine shop.

oldskydog 02-24-2012 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by dkleather (Post 1580095667)
The 512 block in my 64 built Sept.1, 1963 has a casting date of H-18-3 or Aug. 18, 1963. A recent rebuild showed it to be a small journal. It has a blank pad and no CE marking. Since the bore and pistons were original I don't think it had ever been decked. It is date correct for the car so it must have been a service replacement quite soon in the car's use. :thumbs: Dave

That would be 73, not 63.

DZAUTO 02-24-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by topls69 (Post 1580105514)
seams like theres a lot to know about these blocks, I have a machine shop and have seen 10's of thousands of small blocks and never came across one of these. the date code is D ? 6 (2nd number is not clear) the pad stamping is CE6P23780 maybe someone knows how to decifer the stamp also.

I agree, these blocks are probably somewhat rare, but they DO exist. I personally can testify to this because I just built a 383 from one for my 51 Chevy. It is dated Jan 77. The hole in the rear of the block permits the use of a road draft tube and early finned alum Vette valve covers WITHOUT any holes! :thumbs:

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Tom Parsons

dkleather 02-25-2012 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by oldskydog (Post 1580106077)
That would be 73, not 63.

Not sure why you say this. It fits the description of a pre-68 engine as described in Post #7 above by DZAuto about the history of the 512. Small journal, two bolt main, no CE on the block pad, rear vent tube, original style steel valve covers. Other posts above also seem to verify my thinking. Could you explain further, please? :thumbs: Dave

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pict...ictureid=84339

JohnZ 02-25-2012 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by topls69 (Post 1580105514)
the date code is D ? 6 (2nd number is not clear) the pad stamping is CE6P23780 maybe someone knows how to decifer the stamp also.

The pad stamp says it was made at Flint V-8 in 1976. :thumbs:

oldskydog 02-25-2012 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by dkleather (Post 1580108989)
Not sure why you say this. It fits the description of a pre-68 engine as described in Post #7 above by DZAuto about the history of the 512. Small journal, two bolt main, no CE on the block pad, rear vent tube, original style steel valve covers. Other posts above also seem to verify my thinking. Could you explain further, please? :thumbs: Dave

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pict...ictureid=84339

The 3959512 block casting number did not exist in 63. It began with the CE program in late 68/69 and was for service use only.
The only 327 bock casting in 63 was the 870.

Fast Jimmy 02-25-2012 10:07 PM

Big journal
 
I'm not clear on the block differences between one's with road draft holes and those without. Could someone post pictures showing the differences.
Thanks, Fast Jimmy

tach drive 61 02-26-2012 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by topls69 (Post 1580086359)
Hi guys, I stumbled across a block and was wondering what it was. Im an engine machinist and didnt have a clue as to what this was. I did a google search, and seams like its kind of a rare bird, I founda lot of info on this site. I think I have one thats even more rare. I have a standard 4 inch bore, large journal,with a vent hole and 4 bolt main 3959512 block, it does hace CE on the front pad, I dont know what kind of starting asking price would be reasonable for this block. I also have several other283 and 327 blocks,427 heads and dont know where the best place is to sell this stuff.I prefer to stay away from ebay(just because its a pain) any tips or suggestions would be great, thanks

my 512 327 block is 63 and has small journal forged crank two bolt mains. price i paid two years ago still in crate $1250 less heads and cam shaft ! the selling section on this forum would be best .hearing the words from jim glass I have a 327 crate motor FS were welcome words .

DucatiDon 02-26-2012 12:54 PM

I have been looking for a 383/400 that would allow me to use the finned valve covers....(looking for a sleeper for my 63)...didnt know this block was what Im looking for.
Whats a decent price for one of these, and is the small journal more desirable for a 340 clone?

JohnZ 02-26-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast Jimmy (Post 1580114087)
I'm not clear on the block differences between one's with road draft holes and those without. Could someone post pictures showing the differences.
Thanks, Fast Jimmy

Photo below shows the rear vent hole in the top of the block, and the hole in the rear wall of the lifter valley for the oil separator can; photo is a '65 870 block, and the 512 block is identical. '68-up production blocks didn't have either large hole. :thumbs:

rongold 02-26-2012 03:27 PM

512 Block
 
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And, to confuse things more, here is a picture of a 512 block without the breather hole.


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oldskydog 02-26-2012 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by tach drive 61 (Post 1580115446)
my 512 327 block is 63 and has small journal forged crank two bolt mains. price i paid two years ago still in crate $1250 less heads and cam shaft ! the selling section on this forum would be best .hearing the words from jim glass I have a 327 crate motor FS were welcome words .

I give up.

66since71 02-26-2012 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by rongold (Post 1580119225)
And, to confuse things more, here is a picture of a 512 block without the breather hole.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...M/512block.jpg

But it has the cast in pad for the hole. So it could be machined to accept the breather. Later blocks did not have the pad.
:cheers:
Harry

tach drive 61 02-26-2012 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by oldskydog (Post 1580119813)
I give up.

now mine could even be 73 cast with vent hole in rear of block and get this my block accepts a new style filter after removal of canister oil filter adapter. also machine shop that broke it down said it had 0010 block castings inside .I have to get a look at pad ID # and post later on .small journal forged crank two bolt main caps .

Tom Heffernan 02-26-2012 06:35 PM

Rongold
Do you know the casting date? Is it a small journal or large?
Tom

tach drive 61 02-26-2012 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by JohnZ (Post 1580101450)
Yes - they were machined for both SJ and LJ applications. :thumbs:

john you read my CE 4N2977 # when i bought mine . small journal forged crank .it is a 3 cast # on block . 1973 not 63 .but still what was needed .

rongold 02-26-2012 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Tom Heffernan (Post 1580120659)
Rongold
Do you know the casting date? Is it a small journal or large?
Tom

No, I just found the picture on the web.

pop23235 02-26-2012 09:49 PM

There is no way to tell small journal from large journal crank w/o removing pan?

jimh_1962 02-26-2012 10:40 PM

There is a book which described the different blocks including the cranks. I remember comparing my block and the crank and found it was a small journal with a 4577 forged crank. The casting date has "B184". So it has to be from Feb 18th 74 correct? On my bock the pad was grounded down during the machining. Though I remember it had CE as the prefix. It does have the breather and a later style oil filter.


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