MT Grand Sport vs. 911 S
 

For those of you interested they just did a video on this. I think you all know the outcome. For my money I'll still take the vette. As for the comment about cross shopping, based on what I've heard on the forum, I'd disagree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24MFk...layer_embedded

Excellent video thanks for posting it. I would agree with their conclusion, right now I would take the 911S but that could change with the intro of the C7.

Of course the Carrera S starts over $90,000 and the 911S Turbo starts over $160,000. I sure hope the C7 doesn't start quite that high.

I'd take the current '12 Carrera S over the C6, but not the previous years 911 Carrera S

3075lbs? I hope the C7 takes a hint from that :)

I'll be very interested to see how they configure the C7. I'm hoping that it has a starting price tag near 60k and comes with features and quality befitting a world class sports car. Chevy already has the Camaro to handle the 30k-55k range.

I will take the Vette, not into Vdubs too much. :cheers:

:iagree: 100% Some of the most overpriced and unattractive cars ever made. :ack:

I like the P Beatles timeless design. As for V dub......I like the Veyron!

Really - or the Gallardo, or R8

We should be proud we have a car from the same manufacturer as the Cruze and Astro van....

Nice thing about the 991 is (I'm hoping) it'll bring the 997.2's down to my price range. I'd love to have a 09+ Carrera S Cab w/PDK

We should be proud as they look nothing like them. On the other hand...:D

I have always loved the P cars even though I have never even sat in one. I am also not rich enough to ever afford $160K for a car. I am not trying to defend the corvette but lets get real. A $70K car put up against a $160K car? Why not compare the corvette to the Farrari Enzo Or compare a miata to the GS?

This was $56,900 versus $97,350. But the point is right on. Nearly a $40,000 differential not to mention a newer model and engine. I'm sure the Grand Sport would do well against a $17,000 car.

I would love the 911S but not in the current budget:rock:

Comparisons are all well and good but I wouldn't feel too disadvantaged in a Corvette. I run with all sorts of (mostly all) modified cars. Virtually any car can be smokin' fast and there's always some 'full race' Porsche, BMW, Competition Coupe Viper or World Challenge Series Corvette, etc. that's just in another class....a step above. From what I see and just in general, modified Corvettes (even heavy street cars) do very well against modified Porsches. Again, there are always those truly exceptional 'race' cars (and exceptional drivers) but there's no need IMO to feel second rate against those P-cars. Those Corvettes do pretty damn well at the track. :thumbs:

I just sat in the new 911 at the Detroit car show and was not impressed at all.....liked the 997 and 996 series as far as looks go but the latest especially the console area was not appealing as were the seat bolsters pinching my back.....not too impressed. The ole 08 Z06 feels great....:D

Are you overweight? I find the seats in the Porsches to hold me very snugly in place.

nice 911 add!

Meh. One looks like a well-used bar of soap and one doesn't. For that kind of money, I at least need to like what it looks like.

It seems a little dissapointing that the editor who drove these cars didn't verbalize the fact that the cars were very close in performance, but yet the vett cost "as tested" 72K and the 911 was 131K. That is a LOT of extra cash just for what he explains as essentially slightly "better steering".

And, the vett looks much more modern.

Mark

:iagree: Many people of normal stature have stated the same complaint.

Notch...:bigears

wow that P car is ugly. I'm sure it has sweet interior and great engine responsiveness, but for 130k it better.

72k vs 131k....hmmmm zr1 vs 911s...

Still wearing a medium shirt and 5'8".......felt very uncomfortable.....I liked the previous models..

But you like Fiat ???

I think you are on to something here.

However, I think the Z06 or Z06 carbon is a better dollar to dollar comparison
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-carrera-s/

http://www.chevrolet.com/tools/byo/b...trim&pvc=11704

Frankly, I like both cars - all cars that actually work well and even some that have a bit of a "reliability concern (most Italian jobs and your average English car) for their aesthetic and driver oriented efforts.

And I like my rough around the edges (not so much really), old fashioned pushrod v8 in a light and 50/50 chassis just fine.

Lots of pretty girls out there. Don't sell yourself short on just one.
Just sayin'

Interesting...I'll have to sit in a newer one to see how the seats have changed then.

All of the 997s I've been in have been great, but something could've changed for the '12 redesign.

I think everyone on the planet agrees that in the bang for the buck comparison, the Corvette wins hands down.

That's already been decided.

Yes, the Porsche is a lot more money. But if you HAVE a lot more money then you get the Porsche and with it comes great steering feel, a car that doesn't jump sideways when you nail the gas and better fit and finish inside and out.

If money is no object, I'm driving the 458.

If I hit the lottery for a couple hundred K, I might just spring for the Porsche.

On my budget, I'm happy with my Corvette.

really not a fair comparison at all, forget about the price difference! the corvette is still 6 model years old, the Porsche completely redesigned this year. Can't wait till the C7 spanks it in all categories. :rock:

Actually if you watched the begining, it was a $76k GS vs a $131k 911S!!!!! That is $55k difference. More than the price of a base C6.

That is more than a ZR1,, To me these head to heads mean the Vette wins, if they are constantly going to take a much cheaper Vette to compare.

What do you want to know about the 991?

If money was no object I would still have a Vette as a daily driver, probably a Z06, nothing like a good dose of torque in the morning.. And I would finally be able to afford a Garage Queen and it would be an Aston Martin.

:iagree:

I could care less about the Porche,I bought my Vette because of its looks and its American.Even if I won the Powerball,I still wouldn't buy the most expensive sports car out there.I love the style and everything about the Vette.Maybe I would upgrade to the ZR-1.To me,I have always thought the P's were ugly and could not figure out why anyone would buy one.

:iagree: Great post..:thumbs:

Great Video, 2 fantastic sports cars that are great for different reasons. I can't understand why anyone would knock a car they know so little about and most likely never driven.- guess cause it ain't Merican enough....:smash:

What is even more Merican is the right not to like something including cars. I have driven & had family members that own a Porsche, and still do not like them. I appreciate how the car responds and handles. But for me not only do I want that, I want the car to look good also. That is why I like the Corvette. It is the perfect combination of power, handling & looks.:thumbs:

I have one of each.(2010 GS and 2008 c4) Both are great cars and both are super fun. I have owned vettes for 40 years and my vette is my first love P car second. (not counting my wife)

Notch....:lurk:

I don't think it is ugly, but every time I see one now it reminds me of what was said about them in another thread here and I smile.

"Looks like a well worn bar of soap"

:thumbs: A true sports car guy

Agree but the the "perfect part"

Nice cars, but Chevy could do a lot with fixing the C6 sins if people wanted to pay another 40-60k.

Different cars, different markets. The vette is the poor man's porche.

:D

Yup.

You are absolutely right. The Chevrolet Cruze completely dominated the best BMW and Europe had to offer by winning and dominating the 2010 and 2011 Touring Car Championships. Scroll down the link.
http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/art...acing-history/
Runs deep....:yesnod: :lol:

The new 911 Carrera S is 3254 lbs...

For the differences mentioned in the video there's no way the P car is worth $50K more (as tested) over a GS.

For the price of $131,760 the comparison should have been with the similarly priced C6 (the ZR1).

The comparison would have been quite one sided at that point in every way with the suspension, brakes and power that accompanies the ZR

:iagree:

Good for Mckenzie's opinion. I'll take a corvette over a Porsche any day. I had a 2003 996TT that I bought brand new, drove for 5 years & replaced with a 2008 Z06. The porsche was okay, but I preferred the Z06 for a better one with the car feeling( & oh yeah, the porsche cost twice as much. Way way overpriced for what you get)

They compare a $75K Corvette to a $130K Porsche.

Why wasn't it the $110K ZR1 vs the $130K Porsche. The P car would still be spotted $20K and in performance, it would not even be close.

And they wonder why many of us think all of the rags are biased?

:iagree: My thoughts exactly. I think its called controlling your outcome. :yesnod:

:iagree: Ya think?

With $$ like that the Porsche should be twice the car. And everyone, probably even the biased writers know it's not.

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I think it was an attempt to keep the comparison linked to the product hierarchy. The Base 991 would be compared to the base Vette. The 991S would be compared to the GS. The 991 GT3 (when it comes out) would be compared to the Z06, and the 991 Turbo or 991 GT2 (when they come out) would be compared to the ZR1.

Why is it that an individual's subjective assessment that is different than yours is always considered wrong, or biased to a specific brand/country/continent?

Notch

I just posted my 2 cents on the YouTube video. lol

So did I....:lol:

Besides, they look like VW love bugs, I hate them. :hide:

911's are brilliant. If you have never driven one you need to. You would s*** yourself at how refined the chassis is in a 1985 911. Step up to a 993 era (last of the air cooled)and it gets better. I haven't had the pleasure of seat time In a water Pumper but I can only imagine they're even better.

I chose Vette for the muscle car feel and sound, you can't get that in a 911.

My point.........you shouldn't knock it till you try it. You may not lime the song being sung but that doesn't mean its a bad singer:yesnod:

Would you take a comparison of a $18 Steak at Denny's compared to a $30 Steak at a Chop house as a fair comparison?:nono:

$50,000 is a lot of money. You could almost buy 2 GS Corvettes for one of the rather bland looking Porsche cars.:ack:

Obviously you have deep admiration for the Porsche as you show up on every thread with a Porsche mentioned in it. However you would be taken more seriously if you could at least be honest or fair when cheerleading for the Porsche.:yesnod:

:cool: Corvette the sport car bench mark to legitimize all others. Remains me of the ROCKY movie supposed to be a sure win. Ends up being to close to call so they complain about the interior to get the decision. The C6 has held it's own for some time the C7 has some big shoes to fill can't wait to see some real specs. Just saying :chill:

Just cant get past the looks. :willy::willy:

They are 2 very different cars.

:ack: Typical though.:yesnod:

:yesnod:

:iagree::ack:

:iagree: I am a firm believer that you have to like what you are driving. :yesnod:

:iagree: Heck yes..:yesnod:

For someone to drive a car simply for status & nameplate is missing a lot.

Also, to drive a car that is really quick, but ugly as sin (GTR) also makes no sense to me...I like quick, but I hate UGLY more. :ack:

Well folks, this will continue forever. It will be very interesting to see what the C7 has in store for us and how they improve over the C6. Competition is what keeps these guys on their toes. I agree that the price comparison is a bit unfair here. Clearly it would have been a more interesting comparo with the ZR-1.

:iagree: The GTR is quick but looks like a dozen other cars from Asia.

Sure, as long as the "taste of the steak" was the focus of the assessment.

I don't cheerlead for Porsche. I discuss cars.

But this thread isn't about me, it's about the thread topic, so please focus on that as we talk about cars (and not people).

I am confident that performance wise it will be awesome and the interior killer. I just hope I like the looks of the exterior. :willy:

Now he should compare the 911S to a top Lambo or Ferrari. Something around 100% more in price. But he didn't publish actual 0-60, quarter or track times where the GS is about equal. Also the 911S is brand new while the C6 is in its 8th model year. As he said in the beginning their are Porsche lovers and Corvette lovers. It was clear which one he was from the start.

I see where you are coming from.:crazy:

Obviously the thread is not about you.:eek: Yet we all know you were going to show up on this thread at some point and do your cheerleading, yes cheerleading for Porsche. You did not disappoint at all.:yesnod:

Nice video...always fun to watch the porsche and the corvette story they have both survived a lot through the years.

Wow guys, I really didn't mean to start an argument. This is just plain good car talk. The porche is a great car, but after driving one about 2 years ago I just wasn't all that impressed. The interior is very well made and feels great, but honestly is not how I'd design an interior. Also I just love the looks of the Vette and I don't love the looks of the porche. For me it's more about character. I just feel like the porche is a look at how rich I am car versus the Vette, which is more I love cars. I know it's just a stereotype, but around where I live I'd say most people that drive porches don't know how to drive them to their potential.

Well, it's a bit late now! :rofl: We always do this, you can take out the word Porsche and insert Mustang, GTR, Ferrari, Grand Sport, V1, Zaino, Z51......................it goes on and on............FOREVER!!! :lol:

Who on earth would knock a Grand Sport? :rofl:

In terms of any specific sports people may own, how many of these owners do you think know how to drive them to their potential? And of those who do know how, how many of them track their cars or drive their cars on public roads at their full potential?

:iagree:

Which exactly why fanboi Angus did not choose the similarly priced ZR1.

I think that it was a fair comparison to a point. The GS coupe and the 911 Carrera S. weigh about the same, have comparable HP etc. However, the Porsche is a new revised model and the Corvette GS is not. For 50 grand more the 911 should be a better car!

Would you be surprised if a $130,000 house was better than a $75,000 house ?

I suppose that when it comes to bench racing, one could use that logic. But to me, cost is the common denominator for everything.


To compare a $130K car to a $75Kcar is pure bias.

Show me an article where they compare a $75K Corvette to a $20K Miata or VW, etc and then praise the Corvette for being a better car.

I have nothing against the Porsche. I'm sure it's a good car, otherwise it would not have such a loyal following.

My compaint is with the fanboi journalist.

p.s. - I'm sure you're a good American though ;)

nah, the "journalist" would not get the desired outcome in that case ;)

:iagree: Outstanding point.

WTF??

Dude - you are fabricating posts. I did not say that. Go look at post 57 and see who authored it !!

Well, he was already complaining that the GS had too much grunt to handle very well, compared to the very "civilized" feel of the 911S...I was waiting for the butterflies to come out of his azz!!!

He probably would have driven right off the road with a ZR1.:lol:

:iagree: With this also. I take full and complete credit, as I was the author of that gem.

:cheers:

As always Need.:thumbs::cheers:

:iagree:

Yeah, he would have complained that it was not predictable when driven at it's limit.

:lol:

Eggzactly. And a fine post it was :yesnod:

Some of you folks take these articles way to serious.

I can only pray that when the 450hp Hyundai Genesis arrives some mag compairs the Hyundai to the GS and selects the Hyundai as superior. The entertainment value alone would be priceless.*

Have you ever considered using a more measured approach; something other than coming out of your loafers? Maybe first asking a question for clarification?

I had your name sitting in my "copy" file, and mistakenly pasted it to a quote I was using from someone else. My mistake.

After watching this video of the comparison between the Porche and the Corvette GS, the thing that bothered me the most was that he seemed to nit pick the Corvette and had nothing bad to say about the Porche like it was perfect. Did anyone else get this impression?

J.R.

Honestly..Did you expect anything different? There is a built in bias with many of the magazines. Bias is very hard to overcome. We all know for years domestic auto manufacturers made some bad cars. This has carried over to a almost permanent bias within some of the magazines & their writers. What is sad, is the bias has become so common they do not see it.

To address the financial equation that the Porsche is $50k more - true.
In a couple years, it's still worth substantially more, although in actual dollar amounts you'll lose more in depreciation on the higher value car....assuming you buy new.
I didn't buy my Z06 new, and my previous car, a 2006 Carrera S, new either.
I paid ~$45k for the Carrera in 2005 and sold it a year later for $1500 less - $43,500. I got to drive a pretty sporty 911 for about $125/month. I could sell the same car today for the same money. They've completely flattened out as far as depreciation.
I'll take that, just to experience and learn about the car.
I took that money and bought a 2006 Z06, and hoping I'll experience the same thing - drive a Z06 for $125/month.
My point is, even though the Porsche is a lot more money, it'll still be worth more, and you're not losing all of the $50k, as you recoup at least some of that when you sell.
At least that's what I keep telling the Mrs.:D

How so?

So go look for magazines that don't ever compare cars that are more than a few thousand dollars apart in price. Those buyers who are concerned about what they may get with the more expensive cars can look for magazines that don't have a very narrow price point window as their basis for comparing cars.

Better yet, potential buyers should go to dealers and test drive the cars they are considering, then decide which car they like best and buy that one. At that point there shouldn't be a magazine article in the world that would cause them to get upset, feel inadequate, or get depressed....or claim magazine bias.

You bought the car used, that takes everything off the table. I once bought a Corvette so cheap off a guy that had to sell it, I sold it for a profit 2 years later................see?

You can only talk MSRP in these stories, somebody will always sell a car somewhere way cheaper than someone else. APPLES TO APPLES. :cheers:

Yes indeed.

:iagree:I've owned a few Porsches and driven a lot, but I'm just not crazy about the look of the new one, I think the current model is much better looking. I'll reserve comment until I drive a new 911, but I did get an opportunity to drive a new 911 GT2RS, and that car is an absolute monster, and I mean that in a good way. Then again, for a price of $225,000 it damn well better be good. That said, I'm still very happy with my Grand Sport, I considered both the ZO6 and ZR1, but for my MSRP of just north of $68,000, I'll put it up against the $130,000+ new 911 Carrera any day on any road. That extra $62,000 will buy me a lot of toys and trips, and the GS is better looking. Park the two together at a Cruise-In and see which one draws the bigger crowd and most comments.