Cloyes issues
Well I am making progress on my 383. I ran into a little snag though.
I have the Cloyes 2 piece timing cover and now when I try to put on the GM aluminum water pump it is a no go. :( The water pump and timing cover contact each other. I am sure I got the right parts according to Summit. :confused2: Water pump: GM Performance 19168604 Timing cover: Cloyes Gear 9-221 Did anyone else run into this problem? Thank you! |
I do not believe that cover will work with a short water pump
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Cloyes Gear 9-221 requires long water pump, you have a short one :ack:
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I am using that timing cover with an Edelbrock short water pump. The water pump body does not touch the cover, but 2 of the bolts on the back of the pump did, so I milled them down, and no more problems.
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I replaced the pump rear bolts with Allen button bolts and I machined off the face of the Cloyes cover.
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7t2vette,
would you happen to remember the part number? |
Originally Posted by gkull
(Post 1579386134)
I replaced the pump rear bolts with Allen button bolts and I machined off the face of the Cloyes cover.
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Originally Posted by no4n4me
(Post 1579387045)
I am guessing you have the GM pump? I would bet mine needs almost a 3/16 to 1/4 inch off.:ack:
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They make spacers to turn a short into a long water pump, only problem is now your belts won't line up, you can't use a long water pump in a C3.
See if you can exchange it for the correct one. |
had the same issue with one of those generic aluminum cast 1 pc timing covers and a hi flo pump, cover and plate I had to mill down some and it still "just" fit. Cover is too thick
Think I ground part of the WP housing down too where it contacted part of the cover. Nothing is bolt on right?!lol |
Originally Posted by MotorHead
(Post 1579387264)
They make spacers to turn a short into a long water pump, only problem is now your belts won't line up, you can't use a long water pump in a C3.
See if you can exchange it for the correct one. |
Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
(Post 1579387315)
had the same issue with one of those generic aluminum cast 1 pc timing covers and a hi flo pump, cover and plate I had to mill down some and it still "just" fit. Cover is too thick
Think I ground part of the WP housing down too where it contacted part of the cover. Nothing is bolt on right?!lol |
Hey guys, not sure till I call Weiand to confirm but I think the Weiand 9221 will work. I see the measurement from the back of the pump to the block is .4 longer then the GM pump. I will report back with the verdict later today.
Thanks guys! Keeping my fingers crossed. |
No need to spend more money.
I have that exact setup. Cloyes 9-221 and Gm 19168604. All I did was replace the bolts on the back of the waterpump with buttonhead allen bolts from ACE hardware. They do touch but once the waterpump bolts were tightened down, everthing fit with no problem and no leaks. I also used hex socket screws for the timing chain cover. Picture: http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...5/IMGP1151.jpg |
Originally Posted by SteveG75
(Post 1579389669)
No need to spend more money.
I have that exact setup. Cloyes 9-221 and Gm 19168604. All I did was replace the bolts on the back of the waterpump with buttonhead allen bolts from ACE hardware. They do touch but once the waterpump bolts were tightened down, everthing fit with no problem and no leaks. I also used hex socket screws for the timing chain cover. Picture: http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...5/IMGP1151.jpg I did call Weiand and Summit and they both confirmed the measurements of the 9221 so it should be a great combo. Also the Cloyes is 9-221 and Weiand 9221. :woohoo: Thank you to everyone that replied. I take every bit of information very serious and give it great thought. I really appericate the help. :cheers: |
Hey guys, just a quick update that may help someone that happens to have the same trouble I had. :crazy2:
I went with the Weiand 9221 water pump. Cloyes 9-221 2 piece timing cover. To get clearance between the water pump and timing cover I used Allstar Performance .125" spacer kit. This gives me about 3/16" clearance between the water pump and the timing cover. It also sets the hub face at 5 13/16" off the block. I am not sure why mine is different from what others got to work but, all is good now. Thanks to everyone! :cheers: |
Originally Posted by no4n4me
(Post 1579454949)
Hey guys, just a quick update that may help someone that happens to have the same trouble I had. :crazy2:
I went with the Weiand 9221 water pump. Cloyes 9-221 2 piece timing cover. To get clearance between the water pump and timing cover I used Allstar Performance .125" spacer kit. This gives me about 3/16" clearance between the water pump and the timing cover. It also sets the hub face at 5 13/16" off the block. I am not sure why mine is different from what others got to work but, all is good now. Thanks to everyone! :cheers: |
I don't have the pulleys installed yet. But if this information is correct then I will have no worries.
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