Originally Posted by AFVETTE
(Post 1576656576)
It'll be 2014 at the earliest before we see the C7 and will be anyone's guess as to the model's they keep/drop.
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I love my '08 and intend to keep it for a while. I couldn't care about the C7.
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Originally Posted by mpuzach
(Post 1576656703)
You might want to check your facts before posting crap like this. 1963 coupe production was 10,594, more than any other year of C2 production.
Originally Posted by AFVETTE
(Post 1576656751)
Isn't that about the same as the 2010 production numbers for ALL Corvette's?
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Originally Posted by vettedoogie
(Post 1576656522)
I was there too. Yet somehow, we can go out today and buy a STOCK small block 430hp Corvette that would kick the livin crap out of any 60's car you can mention while still getting 25 mpg or better when you want it to.
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Originally Posted by SouthBaySurfer
(Post 1576657725)
I love my '08 and intend to keep it for a while. I couldn't care about the C7.
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I'm gettin' me a C7 Callaway! :rock:
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Pure speculation on C&D's part. All one needs to do is go back in Corvette history to see that none of the current generations made it to the show room when the magazines said they would. The C4 was late, the C5 was late, and the C7 will be late (2015 IMHO).:flag:
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Originally Posted by goatts
(Post 1576657786)
So what's your point? Like I said in my post the 430hp vette is history just like in the 1970's. The downhill slide is starting because of a small group of politicians that don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. If the article is true then they will begin reducing engine size with the C8 so they can meet CAFE standards.
There is no need for CAFE standards. The politicians should butt out of private markets. As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market. I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it. Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature |
Originally Posted by vettedoogie
(Post 1576658139)
My point is that it was the end of nothing. Here we are 40 yrs later with performance that is FAR greater than it ever was...greater than the vast majority of Corvette owners can ever take full advantage of. BTW, you really think if it was left up to American carmakers we'd ever have gotten to anything close to the mpg OR safety we get in ANY car?
As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market. I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it. Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature One of the reasons I quit subscribing to C&D was their never ending diatribe against the V8. Funny how their vaunted European brands all use the V8 for their performance cars. Ironic. But I digress. I fully expect that the C7 will be a true world class super car. Some us may puke initially, but it will grow on us, as have all the "C" versions. When I realized that the C6 was truely the car I dreamed of since birth, I bought one. I can have the AC on, and radio blaring, and suck the paint off an L88 or L89, radio and heater delete vette of the 60's. With a small block no less, and get 30+MPG on the highway. I am sure C7 will be even better, and the C&D folks will be eating their words and looking for something else American to trash. Chin up! coop |
Would not surprise me if they do eliminate either the base model or GS model. These two models are basically the same (IMHO). GM has to be smart with their production, especially if we want their pricing to remain reasonable considering the amount of car we are getting for the price. :flag:
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Originally Posted by vettedoogie
(Post 1576658139)
My point is that it was the end of nothing. Here we are 40 yrs later with performance that is FAR greater than it ever was...greater than the vast majority of Corvette owners can ever take full advantage of. BTW, you really think if it was left up to American carmakers we'd ever have gotten to anything close to the mpg OR safety we get in ANY car?
As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market. I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it. Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature You make some great points on where intervention is value added and as long as that intervention provides value while leaving my rights alone I am content. I agree as well in regards to what technology has accomplished compared to muscle cars of the past. I think many forget that all the engines in the C6 cars right up to the ZR1, are all small blocks. The 7 liter in the Z06 still reigns as the most powerful N/A motor GM has ever built and it is a small block. I can only imagine what they could do with an 8 liter build. I have no doubt the next generation will perform at least on par and probably better than the current platform even if the new engine is the 5.5 or smaller. GM appears to have finally broadened its play ground to allow power adders into the mix. |
Originally Posted by vettedoogie
(Post 1576658139)
My point is that it was the end of nothing. Here we are 40 yrs later with performance that is FAR greater than it ever was...greater than the vast majority of Corvette owners can ever take full advantage of. BTW, you really think if it was left up to American carmakers we'd ever have gotten to anything close to the mpg OR safety we get in ANY car?
As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market. I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it. Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature |
Originally Posted by 30YR W8T
(Post 1576658673)
:iagree:
You make some great points on where intervention is value added and as long as that intervention provides value while leaving my rights alone I am content. I agree as well in regards to what technology has accomplished compared to muscle cars of the past. I think many forget that all the engines in the C6 cars right up to the ZR1, are all small blocks. The 7 liter in the Z06 still reigns as the most powerful N/A motor GM has ever built and it is a small block. I can only imagine what they could do with an 8 liter build. I have no doubt the next generation will perform at least on par and probably better than the current platform even if the new engine is the 5.5 or smaller. GM appears to have finally broadened its play ground to allow power adders into the mix. |
Originally Posted by vettedoogie
(Post 1576658139)
My point is that it was the end of nothing. Here we are 40 yrs later with performance that is FAR greater than it ever was...greater than the vast majority of Corvette owners can ever take full advantage of. BTW, you really think if it was left up to American carmakers we'd ever have gotten to anything close to the mpg OR safety we get in ANY car?
As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market. I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it. Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature |
Originally Posted by goatts
(Post 1576658926)
Yes mr liberal I want them to butt out. You apparently can't think for yourself since you need a bureaurocrat to dictate every little detail of your life and wipe your little butt. You need someone to tell you what mpg your car gets??? You too dumb to figure that out for yourself. You want someone to tell you what to eat and when you're going to die? Pharmaceutical standards are the reason for the skyrocketing cost of drugs. Steven Chu is going to make you paint your roof white (or have you already done yours?). Since you love suckling at the teats of nanny gubment, why don't you move to Cuba. You're probably already planning on it.
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Originally Posted by Marc V.
(Post 1576656194)
From a very reliable source at Chevy, the 5th generation Chevy small block will be 5.5 liter, still single cam pushrod engine obviously, but with variable valve timing set up much like the system in the Dodge Viper. Also direct injection and cylinder deactivation. Nearly the same HP, maybe slight increase, but better MPG.
:iagree: The specifications for the new engine will conform to the new class the car is racing in the ALMS series. Has been stated that we will see direct injection 5.5 ltr engine. Probably will have more HP, wonder if they will be able to increase torque? |
Originally Posted by c6coop
(Post 1576658423)
I agree. IOne of the reasons I quit subscribing to C&D was their never ending diatribe against the V8. Funny how their vaunted European brands all use the V8 for their performance cars. Ironic. But I digress.
I fully expect that the C7 will be a true world class super car. Some us may puke initially, but it will grow on us, as have all the "C" versions. coop |
Originally Posted by vettedoogie
(Post 1576658953)
Thank you Mr. Fox. I hope you get the next batch of bad pharma brought in from China.
BTW, why DO you drive an Accord? As for the Accord, the vette is the only American made car I've bought in the last 20 years and I've bought a lot of cars. |
Originally Posted by vettedoogie
(Post 1576658901)
I honestly believe that if a major loss of power would further hurt very low Corvette sales (which BTW, aren't off because of lower power right now!) the CAFE rules (written WITH government AND automakers) could be lifted or eased in any number of ways...especially as it relates to enforcement! That relates to plenty of other carmakers too!
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Originally Posted by Mike's LS3
(Post 1576656004)
.....Slightly longer than before
Originally Posted by Mike's LS3
(Post 1576656004)
Interior quality, not a Corvette strength, is now a high priority, and GM has set Audi as the benchmark for materials and fits.
Originally Posted by Mike's LS3
(Post 1576656004)
(base versions may be called Grand Sport).
Originally Posted by Mike's LS3
(Post 1576656004)
Later, all three engines will undergo displacement reductions to improve fuel economy.
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