Here's an exact quote from the Sixth Edition of the JRM: ".....................owners prematurely removing cars from the judging field will nullify any award received and result in a 13 month suspension of the owner from any NCRS judging process".

Roy's complaint is NOT about the suspension, but about being banned from the Technical Discussion Board.

Is participation in the Discussion Board a part of the "judging process". OKAY, some nit picker, lawyer type will say that it is, if you are responding to a question. But how about lurking. Just being able to log on and watch. Roy cannot do this as his logon is locked out. Same as any non-dues paying non-members.

Was the wording changed or updated in the latest edition? Somebody please explain. I agree with the "rules are rules" mentality, but in Roy's case, it seems that they went beyond "throwing the book at him".

Randy,

Just so I understand, the NCRS does not want members that are not concerned about originality? Or is that just your position?

LT

Mike,

Why is it that when the crap you stirred up settles you stir up some more. You are not helping NCRS with the attitude you are displaying. Yes, I am member.

Hey 182,

Just to let you know that there are many NCRS members that support you in this, myself included as evidenced by a thread on TDB which you probably can't see now. NCRS banning you from judging is no problem, it is what it is and that part of the rules is clear. Anything more is excessive. You are a valued contributor to NCRS and especially the TDB. Hopefully this will be resolved in some sensible and non-excessive manner.

Jack #33879

NCRS member since 1990. Also an early member of SACE that Roy started. Now also a member of SACC. I have met Roy and have bought parts from him. I visit both the NCRS discussion board and the Corvette forum. I found the technical information available from the Restorer and the discussion board very helpful in restoring my '57 and 61.
Yes, I have been to some NCRS Regional and National meets where I observed some arrogance from some of the long time members. Some of the NCRS rules seemed a little nitpicky but I assumed there was a reason for them. After 4 years in the US Navy I knew what real nitpicky rules were. Most of the NCRS members are good people and not worthy of the bashing that has gone on this thread.
I tend to ignore the "politics" of any organization and value it for the information and the friendships that I find.

Jack that's my point , I'm OK with being banded from any event ,I drove off when I was told not to OK! But not being able to Apologize as I did at Bend to the person that banded me and to Roy . I cant to members that attended the meet by way of the NCRS forum, I'm just surprised that I also cant use their forum . Like here I dint bad mouth any one or NCRS and would not using their forum .The only part I would mention is that I was wrong and broke the rules and deserved being band from further events for 15 months. (that's it ! No more) Because I cant use their forum I can hear members saying and thinking all kinds of stories right or wrong.

05 was the first time going back to NCRS in over 25 years showing a Corvette. All this talk and wondering what really happened is crazy " I JUST BROKE THE RULES story over!!

alive and well...

:beatdeadhorse:[

Bill[/QUOTE]

Thats good!

Roy, if you ever want to use my NCRS account just ask... Though, I quit paying for the yearly subscription dues.

Over 3500+ views in one day...... ? .. This one sure struck a nerve. ! . Rules being rules, getting called on leaving early might be one thing, but the other concurrent penalty (banned from NCRS forum) seems a bit heavy handed, IMO. Also NCRS member.

There will be no "BEND"ing the rules!!!!!!!:D:D:D:leaving:

There is nothing wrong with the NCRS and its intentions but somebody here went overboard and abused his or her authority by banning this guy.The Corvette hobby is not a serious thing in life--it is just a hobby for Gods sake and nothing more,nothing less.The most important things in life are people and their feelings.Someone should call this member and apologize. Just remind him of the rules and thats it-over and out.

The JRM is currently being updated with a new version out momentarily.

Hmm... This sounds like really good motivation material for joining NCRS.:rolleyes:

So, let me get this correct. I pay my dues to an organization for many, many years without fail. I contribute my time, knowledge, and efforts to help the orgainzation. I bring my car to their event and, because someone has a burr under their bum :nono: I can't use any facilities that I paid to use for over a year.:eek:

Yep, sounds excessive to me.:crazy:

Glad I'm going the resto-mod approach. :thumbs:

:cheers:

-- Joe

Ncrs "dead horse" ?
 

Are we saying -
Roy is a :beatdeadhorse: ?
The thread is a :beatdeadhorse: ?
Or The NCRS is a :beatdeadhorse: ?
Or indeed none of the above?
:eek::crazy::willy::o

I'm a former NCRS member, for many of the reasons previously stated. To be honest, the biggest azzhats I've encountered at car shows have been proud, outspoken NCRS members. I'd rather deal with a horde of unsupervised children running circles around my 62, than have a couple of typical, NCRS chest-thumpers looking it over at a local cruise-in. The children will likely be more respectful...

There are many good, knowledgeable, and helpful NCRS members. I have met a few through this forum. Unfortunately, the other 99% give them a bad name.

Of course, the NCRS is not without merit. I want people to continue to preserve original, unmolested Vettes, or to immaculately restore them. That way, my grand children may someday know the joy of cutting-up and racing an umolested, numbers-matching solid axle Corvette.

It's just a matter of time until old Vettes are treated like shoebox Chevies... cut-up and modified to the owners taste, with no real effect on re-sale value, and the Corvette hobby will be better off for it. :thumbs:

I think your comment of "total disregard for the safety of spectators" is over the top and shows some of the aforementioned NCRS mentality... the NCRS made a mountain out of an ant hill here.. I mean did he wind the car up to 5k and drop the clutch to get out like a bat out of hell?? Did he do a 4 wheel drift pass some spectators?? Come on man get a little more friggin' realistic here.. I'll even take it one step further, did anyone from the NCRS knowing that he was/had to leave make ANY attempt to accomodate him to ensure the saftey of said spectators? I'm willing to bet not.. I think it would be wise to assist those that take their time and money to attend the shows to assist if they have to leave earlier than normal realizing they might have a long drive home.. I mean really without those coming from all over the damn place we could try to accomodate them... It's all about ME(NCRS).. So, like a good man he admited he was wrong but the punishment (banned from the board also) does not in NO way fit the crime here...

And before anyone ask's, I'm a member (2862) and I do judge as much as family commitments (which always come first) allow.. I've enjoyed some really great friendships from the NCRS (and here) but I'll tell you that the "turds" outnumber them significantly.. We'll keep the light on for ya Roy..

/joe

I like the way you think... All this hullabaloo is a symptom of where we are as a country. The rule and the consequence have been in place for many many years.

Just curious??? If it were you, would you be 100% ok with being banned from the NCRS tech board along with your suspension?

If it were me, I would probably be like Roy and be ok with the suspension from judging but....I would feel overly disciplined if I was made to feel like an outcast by a group of folks that I had been associated with (and helped to move the organiztion forward) for many years. :flag:

Roy has had his supporters and critics over the years, but he has always provided a wealth of information here and in the NCRS. His departure diminishes any group. NCRS is a good source of information, but they are purists. Overspray is more important to them than oversteer (or understeer). Some drive, fewer drive them hard. It's a different group, and as any group, it has positives and negatives. Members should take a look at the discussion on this topic there now. As I said, different. I enjoy both forums. Hope Roy continues to contribute when and as he can.
Reed Flickinger (27656)

Finally, someone posted the real question. Is participation in the Discussion Board a part of the judging process and also subject to being banned from?

In my opinion, for what it's worth, I can't see how anyone can justify the additional sanction of banning Roy from the NCRS forum. It is above and beyond the penalty for the infraction.