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Originally Posted by roscobbc
(Post 1576398366)
Not a 'official' member perhaps in as much as that the UK not part of the EU monetary policy and dosn't have the Euro. But as you say many here are less than happy about adopting full EU membership. Being told by faceless diplomats with their own personal agendas how to run your own country just makes you financially impotent. Ask someone in the UK, France or Germany how they feel about propping up the countries with ailing economies like Spain or Greece and some of the former 'fringe' countries (such as Turkey) that would never been thought of as part of Europe but are now being considered as a potential members. Ask them how their spending power with the Euro had significantly been reduced. Ask them how they feel about the huge salaries and expenses the MP's who represent them in the European parliament are justified. Ask them about the unaccounted corruption. Ask them about all the East European manual workers who undercut the local tradesmen. The EU is almost communism, but with a new, soft face. :nono: (rant over - :rolleyes:)
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Originally Posted by ToddG
(Post 1576399638)
No need to ask. I lived in Germany for 25 years. While the wall was there, after the wall came down and from one day to the next it went from the deutsch mark to the euro. As for for statement of east workers cutting the local tradesmen,,,,,hmmm I wonder who hired those workers. I never said I approved. I only stated a fact that the UK is not a member. If just a few words were changed in your statement you could almost be talking about a number 1 power...no rant here. An observation.
c-ya ToddG |
Originally Posted by ToddG
(Post 1576399638)
No need to ask. I lived in Germany for 25 years. While the wall was there, after the wall came down and from one day to the next it went from the deutsch mark to the euro. As for for statement of east workers cutting the local tradesmen,,,,,hmmm I wonder who hired those workers. I never said I approved. I only stated a fact that the UK is not a member. If just a few words were changed in your statement you could almost be talking about a number 1 power...no rant here. An observation.
c-ya ToddG |
Originally Posted by Richard454
(Post 1576391770)
The comment about made 'in Canada' was "Tongue in Cheek"...
My wife is from Canada-and she sometimes doesn't get my sense of humor either!!!! I did look at LS motors- but it's become fairly common place these days-LS engines are showing up in EVERYTHING. They ARE impressive!!! However-I wanted to do something "out of the box" and totally different...and I think adding 4 MORE cylinders w/ an engine that was the pinnacle of technology in it day- placed in cars costing 100k+. The Mclaren F1 was a million-however, it used DOHC heads but the same block and bottom end. Not to mention the same basic block is used in the new BMW twin turbo 760LI. Richard FWIW, I would have swapped out for another type of engine block if it could have matched the prices on the GEN 1-type rebuilt blocks and the assortement of parts you can get for these engines. But since that is not the case i stayed with the GEN I SBC and went as exotic as i could. If not, I would probably have choosen a DOHC V8 or whatever, but the simple fact is that there are not enough parts in the market to make this scream without a pile of money. I plan on building a race car in a dedicated chassis and in that categorie, i'm probably going to use an Audi V8 dohc, wit 4WD and see where i can take those. These engines + drivetrains are pretty cheap everything considered, so it should work. As a matter of a fact they are a lott cheaper both in parts and base engine when compared to the only DOHC V8 chevy ever built (LT5 and which would have been my primary choice) |
Did a quick search and copy from the first i found
ToddG Have a look Member states of the EU: Austria Belgium Bulgaria Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark Estonia Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Ireland Italy Latvia Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Netherlands Poland Portugal Romania Slovakia Slovenia Spain Sweden United Kingdom |
Originally Posted by Belgian1979vette
(Post 1576401435)
Wrong :smash:
c-ya ToddG :cheers: |
Moving along-
I've got the rear suspension all back together- VanSteel did the wheel bearings and I went w/ their coil overs for the rear- http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...4/P1010580.jpg I know..I know..I'm replacing the rotors... But here's the Boss 338 18 X 9.5 w/ some Nitto's 285 width http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...4/P1010587.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010601.jpg I''m happy w/ the stance....front tires are NOT attached to anything yet... http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010594.jpg |
Back to the powerplant....
I've been working on the Alt and drysump system. Trying to make it fit and attach it to the front of the V12. With the timing chain cover- there's not a lot to attach to... I was able to squeeze in a Denso 75 amp alternator- just made a bushing to for the alt w/ a 4 rib. The tensioner is stock BMW - off my wife's M roadster ( I had to replace some parts on her car while going through the AC ...and just so happen I made it work on the V12) http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010559.jpg The Dry Sump system has been tough- I't really easy to spend a ton of money w/ pump /fittings/tank/oil pan etc.... Here's the pan my buddy whipped up for me- http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010554.jpg Here's the Milodon P/U's http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010557-1.jpg Added a couple AN 12 bulkhead fittings... http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010558.jpg Even the stock BMW windage tray works- http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010561.jpg |
The Dry Sump pump was really tough...I tried a Weaver Brothers (AKA Stock Car Products) but it was too big. I found a Peterson- smaller and better design -gerotor type pump- also read as more expensive.
Made the bracket out of some ½ aluminum- and still need a couple more AN fittings to make it work around the frame- http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010400.jpg Here's a mock up of the lines.... I know...I know- It's garden hose- a lot cheaper when you cut it to short -especially the AN 16 hose!!! http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010399.jpg For the tank- I'm running a Canton- about 7.5 qts http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010565.jpg Here's where it's going- I just had to remove the vacuum tank- again -It's a mock up box- I didn't want to scratch up my expensive tank... http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010564.jpg I'm running the stock BMW oil canister ( external to the block ) - It has a pressure relief /bypass line AND a one way valve so I won't have to worry about priming the external pump when the car sits. The stock oil cooler- which has an internal switch when it's hot enough. This OEM stuff will add a couple more quarts to my total capacity ( close to 10qts) http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010566.jpg |
I don't know if anybody else has said this, 'cuz I don't have time to read the whole thread, but.........can anybody say "twin turbos"? Now, that would be cool........."Hey, baby, wanna go for a ride in my v-12, twin turbo 'vette?" Man, the only way it would be any cooler would be if it had tailfins!!!
Scott |
I really like the rear suspension with the coil overs:thumbs: Never been a big fan of the original spring.
I suppose there a lot of work in the oil pan. But then again it looks good. First i looked for splash shields in the oil pan but off course you have dry sump with a oil tank I suppose the garden hoses is not there to stay? Did the trailing arms come complete so you just changed them or did you use the ones that was on the car? (I am going to change the trailing arms on my car so that is why i ask) I was thinking of replacing the shims on the trailing arms just as they was before i changed them. Is that the way to do it? |
Twin turbos...The thought has crossed my mind- But my first goal is to get it up and running!!!
The garden hose is for mock up-it's not $9/ft and it's really easy to cut!!! The original oil pan was a monster 2 piece front sump- It got in the way of the steering, a-arms and the front crossmember. Here's a comparison- http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010251.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010554-2.jpg Rear Coilovers- I sent my wheel bearings to VanSteel- They rebuilt them, put on new parking brake hardware and bolted it all up to my new offset trailing arms. I'm sure you can buy a "complete" ready to bolt on offset trailing arms set up for the coilovers. As far as the shims- I was told to center the arms- equal shims on each side as a starting point. Needless to say one of my first trips will be to the alignment shop. I just got another AN 12 90 degree fitting in the mail today-for the scavenge line off the pump to fit around the front crossmember. Looks like it's gonna work. http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/p1010406.jpg Awaiting my AN 16 line to run oil from the tank to the pump. Getting closer....I'm hoping to start it up in a week or two. Richard |
Very, very:cool:. I'm a keep it stock kind of guy, but once in awhile, you gotta expand your thinking and do something different.
:lurk: Pete |
If you are making these fabrications to the oil pan for the dry sump system anyway, wouldn't it have been easier to just move the sump to the rear and extend the pump pickup tube? Wouldn't be as cool as a dry sump system, tho......
Scott |
Thanks Pete!!! My goal is to make it look stock- a few people will be scratching their head when they see Big Block valve covers hiding the 12 cylinders below-
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010630.jpg Scott- If it was as easy as just moving the oil P/U to the back and redoing the pan- Trust me- I'd have done it!!! I like the KISS principle! The V12 has a georotor type oil pump IN the pan- it's chain driven off the crank. Not really easily moved- AND you can see in the pic- It was dead center of the steering linkage and would have probably scraped the ground. A dry sump was the only way to go w/o modding the frame/steering/suspension and raising the engine height. The dry sump system is cool- and that's what I keep telling myself each time I have to order another $40 fitting!! Richard http://bmwe32.masscom.net/sean750/en...407%5B1%5D.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010265.jpg |
Originally Posted by Richard454
(Post 1577643575)
Thanks Pete!!! My goal is to make it look stock- a few people will be scratching their head when they see Big Block valve covers hiding the 12 cylinders below-
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010630.jpg Scott- If it was as easy as just moving the oil P/U to the back and redoing the pan- Trust me- I'd have done it!!! I like the KISS principle! The V12 has a georotor type oil pump IN the pan- it's chain driven off the crank. Not really easily moved- AND you can see in the pic- It was dead center of the steering linkage and would have probably scraped the ground. A dry sump was the only way to go w/o modding the frame/steering/suspension and raising the engine height. The dry sump system is cool- and that's what I keep telling myself each time I have to order another $40 fitting!! Richard http://bmwe32.masscom.net/sean750/en...407%5B1%5D.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010265.jpg I figured there was a good reason, just curious what it was. Thanks for taking the time to explain it. Man, those European engineers seem to take the long way around everything, huh? Scott |
Hi,
I have been watching this post for some time now without getting involved in the discussion. I think you are doing a great job, restoring a corvette back to original is tough enough, undertaking the additional conversion work you are doing is monumentus!!!! I have a few comments for everyone though, having read through all the past postings. Here they are in no particular order: - leave politics and economics for the bean counters and suit wearers forums - not the corvette forum :willy: - corvette's have been hotrodded in one form or another since the 50's. They are not that rare or precious that we should feel bad in taking the hacksaw or blow-torch to them (unless you have a ZL1 or Grand Sport or the like). If this was the case every corvette would still look like it rolled off the production line :lol: - finally, I think you should be proud of the V12 swap, and dump the valve cover idea. It's like taking two steps forward and one step back. What about taking the intake manifolds off, machining down the BMW logo's and machining a bowtie logo on there? Then maybe a polish or powder coating in the vette's body color? It's such a awesome looking engine, make the most of it :yesnod: I've vented now and feel better :lol: BB |
Thanks for the vent....
I'm hotrodding it in a different way- but I'm still not hacking it up at all. No frame mods- no fiberglass mods. I'm slowly moving along- In hopes of starting it up next week. I've figured out the gauges- For the oil pressure- I'm gonna run the stock mechanical gauge- with a oil line used for a Subaru Turbo!!! It comes w/ a banjo bolt that'll fit the BMW oil Filter housing replacing the stock electronic sender. Has the AN4 fittings/hose and ends up w/ a 1/8 NPT- which it what the stock Corvette gauge uses!!! http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...1-0151-800.jpg For the water temp - I'm just using the BMW's sensor location and re-threading it for the stock Corvette sensor. The Tach- that has taken some work- I got a hold of a 77 Corvette electronic and modded the bracket to fit my stock gauge face- http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010554-3.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010555-2.jpg It will work great for an 8 cylinder...HOWEVER-I need it to read one side of my engine- so it'll be only seeing 6 cylinders. Won't work to well... I found a neat solution for less than $100 bucks- It converts digital or analog- and 6:8 ( plus more ratios) and it will handle a lot of other tach mismatches- http://www.technoversions.com/images...tchPackage.jpg Here's where I found it- http://www.technoversions.com/TachMatchHome.html The final parts of the dry sump system are being worked out. I found the stock BMW V12 oil filter housing was just too big- I found a smaller one used on a similar model- cost me $5 at the junkyard!! Then I had my buddy weld up the stock fittings to some AN 12 bungs. ( each bung cost as much as the BMW Oil filter housing!!!) Here it is ready to hook up to the block and Dry sump pump- It has a valve- so the oil won't drain back and there'll be no need to prime the dry sump pump after it sits - as with many other systems I've looked at. http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010553-2.jpg I had to really trim down the bracket/oil line hook-up for the block- The one on the left is how it started out...top AN fitting is for the pressure to the engine. The bottom hole w/ be used for the stock oil pressure bypass from the Oil filter housing. http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010552-1.jpg Here it is attached to the block- in the car. Close fit next to the AN 16 line from the Oil tank http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...2/P1010550.jpg Richard |
Wow!
I love it. Awesome engineering, ideas and execution. I always wanted to do a T-bucket with a BMW V-8 and 6 speed. I hope this doesn't drag any of the Ford freaks out to flame me.:rofl:
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Looking great but do not go for the big block valve covers.
Let the V12 show its cylinders:thumbs: |
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