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Old 05-02-2013, 05:56 PM   #81
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NO, we do away with the people who are trying to prevent us from worshipping in a way we choose. I do believe that one of the founding principles of this country was religious freedom.....


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If you guys (meant to be gender neutral all inclusive term IOT not to offend anyone) have been in the Military recently and have never seen problems your either not close enough to the deck-plates or you may be part of the problem. Because it looked to me like it was getting worse but that could have been I was finally in positions where people were coming to me to REPORT IT....




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Be specific. How many times did Sailors come to you saying a higher up was forcing them to listen to them or attend a service?
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If you guys meant to be gender neutral all inclusive term IOT not to offend anyone have been in the Military recently and have never seen problems your either not close enough to the deck-plates or you may be part of the problem. Mike
Good lord, are you being intentially obtuse? I'm pretty sure a LtCol qualifies as being in a position for people to report it to. Are you saying that a self admitted agnostic LtCol is now part of the problem or that he is'nt "close enough to the deckplates"?
Hell, I'm just a former flight chief (squad leader to you Army types) and I've not seen any issues with it at my level at home or deployed. We did have chaplains stop by periodically and talk with the troops while they were working static posts in Iraq and they were able to identify and correct some issues the airmen had.

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the stuff going on at the AFA is well documented and is not representative of the rest of the AF. No one should have religious viewpoints forced on them. Without getting too deep into a debate on moral relativism, social norms, ethics, utilitarianism and so forth I do think there is a place in the military to at least expose future leadership to elements of religion since in most cases it forms the basis for moral landscapes. It also can be an important part of formulating a strategy(another topic). Ethics, their respective orgins and how they affect our decisions should be a part of a military education. You don't want a guy at the trigger of artillery, bombs, nukes that has no concept of morality. JMO.
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it's fine to take a cheap shot at the beliefs of others (eg WIZARD) but not willing to post up your own WIZARD.
That's a fair point.
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By all means.....But first, lets execute that Muslim piece of ****, Hassan, for murdering 13 innocent men, women, and children on Fort Hood.

Wow....At times, I am so disgusted with our nation and our military leadership.
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Good lord, are you being intentially obtuse? I'm pretty sure a LtCol qualifies as being in a position for people to report it to. Are you saying that a self admitted agnostic LtCol is now part of the problem or that he is'nt "close enough to the deckplates"?
Hell, I'm just a former flight chief (squad leader to you Army types) and I've not seen any issues with it at my level at home or deployed. We did have chaplains stop by periodically and talk with the troops while they were working static posts in Iraq and they were able to identify and correct some issues the airmen had.

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My guess is he is hyper sensitive, like a Black person that sees racism in the most innocent of things, he was surrounded by "Bible-thumpers" trying to oppress him.
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What country is this again??!!
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Key word proselytization

Similar to a reformed drunkard (Me) scrutinizing every sip of liquor/ beer you drink with witty associations to your eventual downfall......

I doubt the regular church goer has anything to fear......
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My guess is he is hyper sensitive, like a Black person that sees racism in the most innocent of things, he was surrounded by "Bible-thumpers" trying to oppress him.
My thoughts as well. If someone invites me to church I do not get offended. I either decline or accept in a polite manner, its as simple as that. Some get offended by such an offer. To me its no different than the people at the supermarket trying to get you to try a sample of cheese on a cracker. I dont respond with "are you saying I'm fat/too skinny/omg I'm a vegan those poor cows!!!"
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