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Old 12-20-2012, 12:43 PM   #1
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Default Total Gun Ban worked in the UK and Australia...

And both are islands. The UK banned kitchen knives too.

Criminals will still have guns, no matter what laws are enacted.

USA has totally porous borders, both north and south. 20,000 Border Patrol Agents and they can't find 20 MILLION illegal aliens.

Guns are a lot smaller than a human. Just saying...
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I had read a couple years ago that Britain was trying to ban glass beer mugs in the pubs. This was in response to people getting drunk and hitting others with the mugs. Did you hear anything about this?
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And both are islands. The UK banned kitchen knives too.

Criminals will still have guns, no matter what laws are enacted.

USA has totally porous borders, both north and south. 20,000 Border Patrol Agents and they can't find 20 MILLION illegal aliens.

Guns are a lot smaller than a human. Just saying...
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I had read a couple years ago that Britain was trying to ban glass beer mugs in the pubs. This was in response to people getting drunk and hitting others with the mugs. Did you hear anything about this?
That is true.
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Not going to work in America, to many lost them in the boating accidents
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I had read a couple years ago that Britain was trying to ban glass beer mugs in the pubs. This was in response to people getting drunk and hitting others with the mugs. Did you hear anything about this?
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...g_beer_gl.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2010/02...s-britain.html

Why don't they just drug all the food and water in the UK and make everybody passive zombies?...
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Stephen! You KNOW that there is NOT a "total gun ban" in Australia.











yes, I know you are being sarcastic....
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Ever hear of criminals locked up in solitary making a gun or knife out of knitted hair?

A little sarcasm throw in there but it wouldn't suprise a prison gaurd. Some prisons have items on display to show tourists what prisnors have been caught with.

Anyone with a metal lathe at home in their garage can make a usable gun. I knew an old guy that made a 4/10 shotun from scratch. Did all his own heat treating after the parts were machines. Gangsters back in the 50's could make a .22 pistol out of a car antenna in about three minutes. There are stories of people making their own bullets from scratch.

People with zero imagination assume everyone is just like them. Gee, take away all the guns in the World and everyone will join hands and only then will peace overtake all the hate and all the children of the World blah blah blahhhhhh.

You want to know what the real problem is and how to realistically stop the majority of shootings and killings? No sane person has ever taken a gun and ran around killing people. Menally ill people do these things. Right now, the only way to get a mentally ill person off the street is to put them in jail. Where they mature into a full-blown killer with all the skills needed to do whatever it is they've cooked up while in prison. I'm not going to list every conseaveable way there is to kill large groups of people. Guns are only one way. Sicko can't find an AK? No problem. Remember the 911 terrorists? They used a box knife and were unchallanged. Ted Bundy escaped from jail by crawling through an air vent. Ran to a collage dorm, found a big tree limb, ran inside the dorm and quickly killed three girls with the limb. O'le Ted, he set a good example of how to kill someone with simple tools found lying aound.
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Doesn't the UK have the highest violent crime rate of any Major country?
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Doesn't the UK have the highest violent crime rate of any Major country?
I do not know the numbers but when I lived in the UK (I left in 1999), there were reported stabbings every day (serious).

I feared for my 14 year old stepson getting stabbed as he was threatened several times by his school mates and twice had to flee for his life.

Yes, the total gun ban has really worked in the UK...
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Stephen! You KNOW that there is NOT a "total gun ban" in Australia.

yes, I know you are being sarcastic....
But to all intents and purposes, there is a total ban on handguns in metropolitan areas, Wendy.

Perth doesn't count
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I do not know the numbers but when I lived in the UK (I left in 1999), there were reported stabbings every day (serious).

I feared for my 14 year old stepson getting stabbed as he was threatened several times by his school mates and twice had to flee for his life.

Yes, the total gun ban has really worked in the UK...
Found it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html



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But to all intents and purposes, there is a total ban on handguns in metropolitan areas, Wendy.

Perth doesn't count
No and why not?

Plenty of shooting clubs in "metropolitan areas".
Not to mention the use of handguns that aren't there legally. Plenty of those going by the news reports of gang shootings.







BTW, you have been designated one of our "safe houses" if the natives get restless.
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London's average homicide rate over the past 20 years has been 2.255 per 100,000 residents, and has been below this average for the past five years. This is as compared to the U.S. average of 8.8 in cities with more than 1 million residents (London has 8.2 million). New York City, specifically, was 6.3 per 100,000 in 2011, almost triple that of London.

London's rate of aggravated assault is 810 average for the 10 years leading up to 2009, and 700 for 2009 itself, whereas the U.S. average (again for cities over 1,000,000) is 373.0 as of 2011. Interestingly New York City, which is almost exactly the same population as London, had a rate very close to this, at 363 per 100,000. This puts London at about twice what New York sees.

So London has twice as many attacks, but New York has almost three times as many murders.

This might have something to do with firearms simply being more effective tools than fists and clubs, which is why armies moved to them in the first place.
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London's average homicide rate over the past 20 years has been 2.255 per 100,000 residents, and has been below this average for the past five years. This is as compared to the U.S. average of 8.8 in cities with more than 1 million residents (London has 8.2 million). New York City, specifically, was 6.3 per 100,000 in 2011, almost triple that of London.

London's rate of aggravated assault is 810 average for the 10 years leading up to 2009, and 700 for 2009 itself, whereas the U.S. average (again for cities over 1,000,000) is 373.0 as of 2011. Interestingly New York City, which is almost exactly the same population as London, had a rate very close to this, at 363 per 100,000. This puts London at about twice what New York sees.

So London has twice as many attacks, but New York has almost three times as many murders.

This might have something to do with firearms simply being more effective tools than fists and clubs, which is why armies moved to them in the first place.
But let's not forget that dead is dead but a serious attack or aggravated assault may be defined differently ..

BTW . Gun crime figures for the UK include replica guns , air guns and also include hitting with part of a gun ..

Dang statistics get ya every time don't they ..
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But let's not forget that dead is dead but a serious attack or aggravated assault may be defined differently ..
They aren't in this case. I checked.

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My post had absolutely nothing to do with "gun crimes". I addressed homicides and aggravated assaults, regardless of weapon usage.

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Attention to detail gets you every time, doesn't it?
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Gun crime is up in both places not down.
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How many hunters are there in America today?
23 million to 43.7 million in 2001.
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And who is going to collect all those guns?
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