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Old 08-31-2012, 12:07 AM   #21
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The convention capped off by Romney's speech was all about one thing - getting his message to the people he needs to get him elected.
His base is solid behind him so no problem there.
Who he needs to win is - women and moderates, especially disenchanted Dems like me.
They did not string up Obama.
They did not beat the religious right drum too loudly.
They brought out strong women speakers to connect Romney to.
And quite effectively.

As far as Romney himself - he certainly was more relaxed than when they showed him watching other speakers (like Ann).

He certainly connected. He used paper notes so not to give fire to the teleprompter comparison.

The Clint Eastwood bit with the empty chair Obama was pure genius. It lightened up the crowd.
Followed by Rubio who shows why he will be a major player in the future.

All in all - I give Romney (and his campaign people) a solid 9+ (out of 10).

Hope it lasts for 67 more days.

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The convention capped off by Romney's speech was all about one thing - getting his message to the people he needs to get him elected.
His base is solid behind him so no problem there.
Who he needs to win is - women and moderates, especially disenchanted Dems like me.
They did not string up Obama.
They did not beat the religious right drum too loudly.
They brought out strong women speakers to connect Romney to.
And quite effectively.

As far as Romney himself - he certainly was more relaxed than when they showed him watching other speakers (like Ann).

He certainly connected. He used paper notes so not to give fire to the teleprompter comparison.

The Clint Eastwood bit with the empty chair Obama was pure genius. It lightened up the crowd.
Followed by Rubio who shows why he will be a major player in the future.

All in all - I give Romney (and his campaign people) a solid 9+ (out of 10).

Hope it lasts for 67 more days.

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Well said, and it's Americans just like you who will decide whether that complete lying, socialist loser, POTUS, is elected out of the Whitehouse come early November.
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The convention capped off by Romney's speech was all about one thing - getting his message to the people he needs to get him elected.
His base is solid behind him so no problem there.
Who he needs to win is - women and moderates, especially disenchanted Dems like me.
They did not string up Obama.
They did not beat the religious right drum too loudly.
They brought out strong women speakers to connect Romney to.
And quite effectively.

As far as Romney himself - he certainly was more relaxed than when they showed him watching other speakers (like Ann).

He certainly connected. He used paper notes so not to give fire to the teleprompter comparison.

The Clint Eastwood bit with the empty chair Obama was pure genius. It lightened up the crowd.
Followed by Rubio who shows why he will be a major player in the future.

All in all - I give Romney (and his campaign people) a solid 9+ (out of 10).

Hope it lasts for 67 more days.

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Did he 'connect' with you, IOW, connected sufficiently that the choice is clear?
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I can see why he is rated as unlikeable. He looks like a clone , acts like a clone , might actually be a clone. I'm not saying he's any worse than any other politician though.
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The convention capped off by Romney's speech was all about one thing - getting his message to the people he needs to get him elected.
His base is solid behind him so no problem there.
Who he needs to win is - women and moderates, especially disenchanted Dems like me.
They did not string up Obama.
They did not beat the religious right drum too loudly.
They brought out strong women speakers to connect Romney to.
And quite effectively.

As far as Romney himself - he certainly was more relaxed than when they showed him watching other speakers (like Ann).

He certainly connected. He used paper notes so not to give fire to the teleprompter comparison.

The Clint Eastwood bit with the empty chair Obama was pure genius. It lightened up the crowd.
Followed by Rubio who shows why he will be a major player in the future.

All in all - I give Romney (and his campaign people) a solid 9+ (out of 10).

Hope it lasts for 67 more days.

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The convention capped off by Romney's speech was all about one thing - getting his message to the people he needs to get him elected.His base is solid behind him so no problem there.
Who he needs to win is - women and moderates, especially disenchanted Dems like me.
They did not string up Obama.
They did not beat the religious right drum too loudly.
They brought out strong women speakers to connect Romney to.
And quite effectively.

As far as Romney himself - he certainly was more relaxed than when they showed him watching other speakers (like Ann).

He certainly connected. He used paper notes so not to give fire to the teleprompter comparison.

The Clint Eastwood bit with the empty chair Obama was pure genius. It lightened up the crowd.
Followed by Rubio who shows why he will be a major player in the future.

All in all - I give Romney (and his campaign people) a solid 9+ (out of 10).

Hope it lasts for 67 more days.

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He also needs the hispanics. I think they may bite him in the end.
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My take:

Overall the speech was uplifting.

What I felt missing; substance as to the 'how'.

I do feel that 'energy' expansion is somewhat self explanatory - however there is not a reasonable method to turn off the EPA, et al agencies that stand in the way of implementation.

Some of the requirements to 'over- ride' the agencies 'powers' will require Congressional actions in the form of legislative actions that overturn existing Law.

Jobs - there was a lot of talk about them. And yes, much can be done to expand the work force by some of the actions discussed - but 12 million in 4 years seems to be very ambitious, until consideration is given to the per month increase is 250,000.

However, presuming the UE is 24 million, and the monthly increase of people 'entering' the work force is ~125,000 there is still going to be a hell of a lot of people out of work, four years from now.
Mitt's job tonight wasn't to get into the hows and whys. It was to convince the middle third of America that he can do the job, isn't a Mormon lunatic or a guy who got rich putting people out of work.

I think he wrapped himself in the flag well, the Olympians helped. The fact that his Mom ran for Senate is a little known fact that should be played up more to counter the War on Women BS. And he contrasted himself against Obama well.

The only thing I might not have done is choose Eastwood. Clint appeals to the base. The old white guy with guns vote is pretty much in the bag.

I'd have gotten the black Liberal Democrat woman who spoke earlier in the evening on Romney's behalf. Member of his Massachusetts Cabinet. SHE did a great job giving the other side a reason to vote for Mitt.
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Did he 'connect' with you, IOW, connected sufficiently that the choice is clear?
In a word - YES.

Like others have said and Clint echoed tonight.

"Obama got his chance and blew it".

He's fired as far as I am concerned.

And Romney has a history (MA) of being able to be bipartisan enough to get things done. In some ways a Republican Clinton.

I look forward to his changes.

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Well said, and it's Americans just like you who will decide whether that complete lying, socialist loser, POTUS, is elected out of the Whitehouse come early November.
Thanks.

In the end we ALL need to remember we are Americans first (Rubio).

Something Obama never quite grasped. He was the most divisive president in my lifetime next to Nixon.

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It was believable and sincere. More so if you wanted the Romney infomercial beforehand on his life.

I'll be more interested to see how the DNC reacts. IMO they left them very little room to maneuver.
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Good comments, especially Bman...

I think Romney did a good job, he is a genuinely decent man and that came across well. He is also a humble man which is typical of most people that are excellent leaders. He is not a narcissist nor flamboyant and we sure have had enough of that, we need someone who has experience not only as a leader but in life, a person who will get the job done and who believes in America.
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Thanks.

In the end we ALL need to remember we are Americans first (Rubio).

Something Obama never quite grasped. He was the most divisive president in my lifetime next to Nixon.

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I think he's far more divisive than Nixon ever was.
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"Mitt's job tonight wasn't to get into the hows and whys. It was to convince the middle third of America that he can do the job, isn't a Mormon lunatic or a guy who got rich putting people out of work.

I think he wrapped himself in the flag well, the Olympians helped. The fact that his Mom ran for Senate is a little known fact that should be played up more to counter the War on Women BS. And he contrasted himself against Obama well.

The only thing I might not have done is choose Eastwood. Clint appeals to the base. The old white guy with guns vote is pretty much in the bag.

I'd have gotten the black Liberal Democrat woman who spoke earlier in the evening on Romney's behalf. Member of his Massachusetts Cabinet. SHE did a great job giving the other side a reason to vote for Mitt."

What he said...you want specifics just hang on sloopy...you will get all you want in the next two months...the debates alone will tell you all you need to know...

This convention set the table but they haven't even sat down to eat yet...all in good time...purely for the amusement factor I can't wait for the Ryan/Biden debates...poor Joe...
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The only thing I might not have done is choose Eastwood. Clint appeals to the base.

I'd have gotten the black Liberal Democrat woman who spoke earlier in the evening on Romney's behalf.
Funny, on CNN with PiersMorgan and his little tableful of libidiots they yukked it up about the bumbling old guy. They went to PennGillette via remote who skewered Morgan and pals saying that Eastwood's mocking of "mister Obama" was fabulous humor. To no avail as the CNN ship of fools continued on about "what was doing up there?" The rest of us understood exactly what Clint was saying, every word of it!
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He also needs the hispanics. I think they may bite him in the end.
I heard a lot of spanish words in the convention from Martinez and Rubio (and I think one other maybe)
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The best way to describe Romney's Speech is that it was utterly appropriate.

I thought I'd probably find a lot of folks here saying it was just OK. To be expected from a die-hard crowd that has been chomping at the bit to kick Obama out of the Whitehouse.

Romney didn't need to appeal to you with Red Meat and Policy Specifics. He needed to do what his wife failed to do in her mediocre speech - humanize himself with the independents and undecideds.

These people, who don't pay close attention, have had Mitt Romney defined for them by Media commentary, the Republican primary (in which Mitt was attacked by other Republicans constantly as the front runner), and now the Obama campaign's decision to blow their wad early and try to define Mitt Romney.

Luckily for Romney, The Obama camp has inexplicably overreached with their narrative, and instead of coming up with a convincing negative one that could withstand scrutiny, they went completely outlandish and have portrayed Romney as some sort of evil villian who gives women cancer, finances death-squads, and from the words of the Vice President, wants to re-enslave African-Americans. They've spent Millions slamming Romney for investing overseas and being rich.

All Mitt Romney needed to do last night was appear somewhat human. He did more than that and knocked it completely out of the park. If the emotion he showed when discussing family wasn't real, he deserves an Emmy. He neutered the ridiculous villain narrative.

With one fell swoop he destroyed the dumb narrative about cold corporate master who destroys jobs by rattling of major companies started or saved by Bain that EVERYONE knows and shops at, that employ hundreds of thousands of people, and rattled off praises of them by the Obama camp.

And aside from completely knee-capping the Obama camp's super-expensive-yet shallow and weak portrait of Romney, Romney did something even more important, which goes back to my description of his speech--utterly appropriate--he turned his greatest weakness into a strength. Yes, he's boring, not at all flashy, and has been criticized as being Robot-like and lacking emotion. Aside from showing emotion and discussing family effectively, Romney embraced and ran with his own personality. He did not deliver the typical lofty, emotional speech of convention candidates. He could certainly never hope to compete with Obama in that regard. Instead, Romney reminded everyone of Obama's ability in this regard, while contrasting that with himself. Romney turned weakness into strength, and painted himself as the competent adult against Obama, the passionate juvenile. He culminated this with the most effective line of the night, which Bucky mentioned - "Obama said he'd stop the rise of oceans and heal the planet -- I'm just going to try and help your family."

The country is in bad shape, and Romney gave viewers a clear choice - reelect the great orator who has had 4 years and has made things worse, or yes, go with the boring guy. Go with the adult who will not spend 4 years failing to deliver on fairy-tale promises, but who will simply work tirelessly, as he did successfully in the business world, and try to make things better for you.

I think the speech was a home run for getting the support of swing voters and independents, and making undecideds feel comfortable with the idea of him as President.

I could be wrong, we'll see what the polls look like down the road. Monday's National poll update will be too soon, we won't have enough poll data yet. But the following week, that will be interesting.
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Also, just as important, Romney came off as by far the most impressive man at the entire convention. Only Christie could come close, and even he was not as good. Romney was the most polished speaker, and gave the best speech.

Rambling grandpa Clint Eastwood and Marco Rubio's complete flub of his most important line probably didn't hurt.
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Overall I think he did well...he is no Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio ( I thought Rubio was very good) but he told us more about him which I think he needed to do. We don't need another "rock star" we need a guy who knows how the economy works and a guy who loves this country.
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The best way to describe Romney's Speech is that it was utterly appropriate.

I thought I'd probably find a lot of folks here saying it was just OK. To be expected from a die-hard crowd that has been chomping at the bit to kick Obama out of the Whitehouse.

Romney didn't need to appeal to you with Red Meat and Policy Specifics. He needed to do what his wife failed to do in her mediocre speech - humanize himself with the independents and undecideds.

These people, who don't pay close attention, have had Mitt Romney defined for them by Media commentary, the Republican primary (in which Mitt was attacked by other Republicans constantly as the front runner), and now the Obama campaign's decision to blow their wad early and try to define Mitt Romney.

Luckily for Romney, The Obama camp has inexplicably overreached with their narrative, and instead of coming up with a convincing negative one that could withstand scrutiny, they went completely outlandish and have portrayed Romney as some sort of evil villian who gives women cancer, finances death-squads, and from the words of the Vice President, wants to re-enslave African-Americans. They've spent Millions slamming Romney for investing overseas and being rich.

All Mitt Romney needed to do last night was appear somewhat human. He did more than that and knocked it completely out of the park. If the emotion he showed when discussing family wasn't real, he deserves an Emmy. He neutered the ridiculous villain narrative.

With one fell swoop he destroyed the dumb narrative about cold corporate master who destroys jobs by rattling of major companies started or saved by Bain that EVERYONE knows and shops at, that employ hundreds of thousands of people, and rattled off praises of them by the Obama camp.

And aside from completely knee-capping the Obama camp's super-expensive-yet shallow and weak portrait of Romney, Romney did something even more important, which goes back to my description of his speech--utterly appropriate--he turned his greatest weakness into a strength. Yes, he's boring, not at all flashy, and has been criticized as being Robot-like and lacking emotion. Aside from showing emotion and discussing family effectively, Romney embraced and ran with his own personality. He did not deliver the typical lofty, emotional speech of convention candidates. He could certainly never hope to compete with Obama in that regard. Instead, Romney reminded everyone of Obama's ability in this regard, while contrasting that with himself. Romney turned weakness into strength, and painted himself as the competent adult against Obama, the passionate juvenile. He culminated this with the most effective line of the night, which Bucky mentioned - "Obama said he'd stop the rise of oceans and heal the planet -- I'm just going to try and help your family."

The country is in bad shape, and Romney gave viewers a clear choice - reelect the great orator who has had 4 years and has made things worse, or yes, go with the boring guy. Go with the adult who will not spend 4 years failing to deliver on fairy-tale promises, but who will simply work tirelessly, as he did successfully in the business world, and try to make things better for you.

I think the speech was a home run for getting the support of swing voters and independents, and making undecideds feel comfortable with the idea of him as President.

I could be wrong, we'll see what the polls look like down the road. Monday's National poll update will be too soon, we won't have enough poll data yet. But the following week, that will be interesting.
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