How would you build the best NA motor....for the street
#21
Le Mans Master
Just an average 440 running 93 with 235 heads. Fast intake 25x/25x ish cam. High DCR. Nothing crazy. No trickery. This was on a dynojet I might add. Made 630. On the same mustang Dyno I tune on it only made 580. So...whatever. Dyno numbers don't mean a whole lot. Trapped at 138 in a 02 z06
#23
Tony Mamo's LS454
http://ls1tech.com/forums/generation...ker-ready.html
Brian Tooley's LS454
https://www.corvetteforum.com/c5-tec...5hp-630tq.html
Obviously a "race" motor would be wayyyy different than these motors. But these were built for street duty and instant tq at the hit of the skinny pedal.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/generation...ker-ready.html
Brian Tooley's LS454
https://www.corvetteforum.com/c5-tec...5hp-630tq.html
Obviously a "race" motor would be wayyyy different than these motors. But these were built for street duty and instant tq at the hit of the skinny pedal.
Last edited by LSOHOLIC; 06-04-2014 at 09:47 PM.
#25
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Tony Mamo's LS454
http://ls1tech.com/forums/generation...ker-ready.html
Brian Tooley's LS454
https://www.corvetteforum.com/c5-tec...5hp-630tq.html
Obviously a "race" motor would be wayyyy different than these motors. But these were built for street duty and instant tq at the hit of the skinny pedal.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/generation...ker-ready.html
Brian Tooley's LS454
https://www.corvetteforum.com/c5-tec...5hp-630tq.html
Obviously a "race" motor would be wayyyy different than these motors. But these were built for street duty and instant tq at the hit of the skinny pedal.
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Just an average 440 running 93 with 235 heads. Fast intake 25x/25x ish cam. High DCR. Nothing crazy. No trickery. This was on a dynojet I might add. Made 630. On the same mustang Dyno I tune on it only made 580. So...whatever. Dyno numbers don't mean a whole lot. Trapped at 138 in a 02 z06
#28
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
I'm a fan of the medium size cam for street cars. I think they are faster.
And ya, any ls intake sucks. I'm trying to get my buddy to buy robz motor. Lol. I've been watching his results for years. He either lies about what they do...which his et and trap back it up, so that can't be, or he knows voodoo, which must be true.
And ya, any ls intake sucks. I'm trying to get my buddy to buy robz motor. Lol. I've been watching his results for years. He either lies about what they do...which his et and trap back it up, so that can't be, or he knows voodoo, which must be true.
#29
Burning Brakes
You can follow the below. This was built years ago. I sure it would crack 600rw with a FAST 102/NW 100 and a better exhaust. Great street car. All the power was in before 6,000. It trapped as high at 137+. I daily drove it.
Mods:
SDPC 416 all forged, built for a 250 shot
12.00 SCR 8.50 DCR runs all day on 93 octane
TFS 235's w/ upgraded springs 68cc
Cometic .040
YT UL rr's
Comp LSL 247/254 .622/.622 112 + 2
Comp pushrods
Comp 850-16 lifters
Vengeance max ported 92/90
Z06 Air bridge
Vararam
Seimens 39lb injectors
FJO WB
LPE intank 255ltr
Kooks 1 7/8" LT's 3" X w/o catts
Next Phase cat back quad tip
Textralia Exo-Skel twin disk
Six Speed inc. MN12. Every thing is new, micronited, cryonited, LPE output shaft
Adjustable master cylinder
Right side LPE output shaft
http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/k...16Compdyno.jpg
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...1018131825.flv
Mods:
SDPC 416 all forged, built for a 250 shot
12.00 SCR 8.50 DCR runs all day on 93 octane
TFS 235's w/ upgraded springs 68cc
Cometic .040
YT UL rr's
Comp LSL 247/254 .622/.622 112 + 2
Comp pushrods
Comp 850-16 lifters
Vengeance max ported 92/90
Z06 Air bridge
Vararam
Seimens 39lb injectors
FJO WB
LPE intank 255ltr
Kooks 1 7/8" LT's 3" X w/o catts
Next Phase cat back quad tip
Textralia Exo-Skel twin disk
Six Speed inc. MN12. Every thing is new, micronited, cryonited, LPE output shaft
Adjustable master cylinder
Right side LPE output shaft
http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/k...16Compdyno.jpg
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...1018131825.flv
#30
Le Mans Master
Scott
#31
Instructor
my C5z NA made 572/568 on 93 and 712/710 on E85 on the old setup below. It's getting new MAST 295cc heads ported/polished by vengeance to 305cc, 1.8 ratio rockers. oh and its my Daily driver.
Engine:
434 Cubic Inch LS6- Darton Wet Sleeve
Cartek Stage 5 Heads- 265 CC- 2.25 Intake/1.7 exhaust CNC Ported
W/ Ferrea Hollow Stem Steel Intake/ Sodium filled exhaust/ Brand New Springs
Comp Cams- 236/259 & 623/623 in @ 112 LSA
Wiseco 4.155 inch pistons = 11.5:1 Compression
Eagle Crank 4 inch Stroke/ H beam Rods 6.125 inch
2 Gallon A.R.E. 3 Stage Dry Sump- Stainless Lines to everything
A/N Fittings for Everything
Runs on a fixed speed density tune not MAF
Intake:
Fast 102 intake/ TPIS 90 MM TB
Carbon coupler
Vararam Ram Induction System
Transmission/ Driveline:
RPM Stage 4 -6 Speed ( ZO6 M12 gearing)
DTE Braced 3.42 Diff with Hardened Shafts
Cooling:
Ron Davis Racing Radiator
Setrab Standalone Oil Cooler- R class
Meizere Electric LS Water Pump
Engine:
434 Cubic Inch LS6- Darton Wet Sleeve
Cartek Stage 5 Heads- 265 CC- 2.25 Intake/1.7 exhaust CNC Ported
W/ Ferrea Hollow Stem Steel Intake/ Sodium filled exhaust/ Brand New Springs
Comp Cams- 236/259 & 623/623 in @ 112 LSA
Wiseco 4.155 inch pistons = 11.5:1 Compression
Eagle Crank 4 inch Stroke/ H beam Rods 6.125 inch
2 Gallon A.R.E. 3 Stage Dry Sump- Stainless Lines to everything
A/N Fittings for Everything
Runs on a fixed speed density tune not MAF
Intake:
Fast 102 intake/ TPIS 90 MM TB
Carbon coupler
Vararam Ram Induction System
Transmission/ Driveline:
RPM Stage 4 -6 Speed ( ZO6 M12 gearing)
DTE Braced 3.42 Diff with Hardened Shafts
Cooling:
Ron Davis Racing Radiator
Setrab Standalone Oil Cooler- R class
Meizere Electric LS Water Pump
Last edited by wilkes02C5Z; 06-11-2014 at 11:07 AM.
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#34
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
my C5z NA made 572/568 on 93 and 712/710 on E85 on the old setup below. It's getting new MAST 295cc heads ported/polished by vengeance to 305cc, 1.8 ratio rockers. oh and its my Daily driver.
Engine:
434 Cubic Inch LS6- Darton Wet Sleeve
Cartek Stage 5 Heads- 265 CC- 2.25 Intake/1.7 exhaust CNC Ported
W/ Ferrea Hollow Stem Steel Intake/ Sodium filled exhaust/ Brand New Springs
Comp Cams- 236/259 & 623/623 in @ 112 LSA
Wiseco 4.155 inch pistons = 11.5:1 Compression
Eagle Crank 4 inch Stroke/ H beam Rods 6.125 inch
2 Gallon A.R.E. 3 Stage Dry Sump- Stainless Lines to everything
A/N Fittings for Everything
Runs on a fixed speed density tune not MAF
Intake:
Fast 102 intake/ TPIS 90 MM TB
Carbon coupler
Vararam Ram Induction System
Transmission/ Driveline:
RPM Stage 4 -6 Speed ( ZO6 M12 gearing)
DTE Braced 3.42 Diff with Hardened Shafts
Cooling:
Ron Davis Racing Radiator
Setrab Standalone Oil Cooler- R class
Meizere Electric LS Water Pump
Engine:
434 Cubic Inch LS6- Darton Wet Sleeve
Cartek Stage 5 Heads- 265 CC- 2.25 Intake/1.7 exhaust CNC Ported
W/ Ferrea Hollow Stem Steel Intake/ Sodium filled exhaust/ Brand New Springs
Comp Cams- 236/259 & 623/623 in @ 112 LSA
Wiseco 4.155 inch pistons = 11.5:1 Compression
Eagle Crank 4 inch Stroke/ H beam Rods 6.125 inch
2 Gallon A.R.E. 3 Stage Dry Sump- Stainless Lines to everything
A/N Fittings for Everything
Runs on a fixed speed density tune not MAF
Intake:
Fast 102 intake/ TPIS 90 MM TB
Carbon coupler
Vararam Ram Induction System
Transmission/ Driveline:
RPM Stage 4 -6 Speed ( ZO6 M12 gearing)
DTE Braced 3.42 Diff with Hardened Shafts
Cooling:
Ron Davis Racing Radiator
Setrab Standalone Oil Cooler- R class
Meizere Electric LS Water Pump
150 hp to the wheels by just running 85 must be some world record
#35
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
#36
Instructor
if you upgrade the fuel system and injectors properly, and have someone that knows how to tune E85, you will see an average of 20-25% power increase.Note that it was a max effort pull, not the way it sits as a DD, it's backed off a bit. So this is well within the normal E85 realm.However, it is very hard to come by where I live currently so pump gas makes more sense.
#37
Le Mans Master
I'd do a 440", RHS aluminum block with a Callie's billet crank/rods. 12.0-1 comp, Mast 285 heads with stainless hollow stem intake valves and inconel exhaust valves. Custom ground HYD roller with Morel lifters. On a tight budget I'd run a Fast 102/102 but on a baller budget I'd get a Wilson sheet metal intake...(with a fogger Ofcourse). 2" headers/3" x pipe. Spin it to 7200-7500.. Plenty to go into the 9s with..
I figure this combo would make an honest 650 rwhp NA, then throw a 300hp on top..
$20k budget for parts could easily build this..
I figure this combo would make an honest 650 rwhp NA, then throw a 300hp on top..
$20k budget for parts could easily build this..
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You can follow the below. This was built years ago. I sure it would crack 600rw with a FAST 102/NW 100 and a better exhaust. Great street car. All the power was in before 6,000. It trapped as high at 137+. I daily drove it.
Mods:
SDPC 416 all forged, built for a 250 shot
12.00 SCR 8.50 DCR runs all day on 93 octane
TFS 235's w/ upgraded springs 68cc
Cometic .040
YT UL rr's
Comp LSL 247/254 .622/.622 112 + 2
Comp pushrods
Comp 850-16 lifters
Vengeance max ported 92/90
Z06 Air bridge
Vararam
Seimens 39lb injectors
FJO WB
LPE intank 255ltr
Kooks 1 7/8" LT's 3" X w/o catts
Next Phase cat back quad tip
Textralia Exo-Skel twin disk
Six Speed inc. MN12. Every thing is new, micronited, cryonited, LPE output shaft
Adjustable master cylinder
Right side LPE output shaft
http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/k...16Compdyno.jpg
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...1018131825.flv
Mods:
SDPC 416 all forged, built for a 250 shot
12.00 SCR 8.50 DCR runs all day on 93 octane
TFS 235's w/ upgraded springs 68cc
Cometic .040
YT UL rr's
Comp LSL 247/254 .622/.622 112 + 2
Comp pushrods
Comp 850-16 lifters
Vengeance max ported 92/90
Z06 Air bridge
Vararam
Seimens 39lb injectors
FJO WB
LPE intank 255ltr
Kooks 1 7/8" LT's 3" X w/o catts
Next Phase cat back quad tip
Textralia Exo-Skel twin disk
Six Speed inc. MN12. Every thing is new, micronited, cryonited, LPE output shaft
Adjustable master cylinder
Right side LPE output shaft
http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/k...16Compdyno.jpg
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...1018131825.flv
#39
Le Mans Master
Add a Harrop ITB to make it perfectly streetable.
Put the left over $2500 in the bank.
Now you have a solid performing street strip monster that you can occasionally spin to 8500+ rpms for half the price it would cost to build from scratch.