Snowwolfe

As a “car guy” I am always scoping out what others are driving. Tesla’s remain the most popular EV I see with maybe 4-6 sightings a day when I run I40 to Knoxville or Nashville. An occasional Volt or Mustang are seen but they are rare. I can’t recall seeing any other brands.
When I picked up my 24 F350 the sales guy told me they have never sold one EV F150 since they came out.

Greg00Coupe

Son has 2 Teslas. In Cali has solar panels so easy decision. They are Y models. With the extra weight they are rough riding cars and that weight eats through tires.

Now I see that our nations guardrails and safety systems cannot handle the heavy runaway EVs like a Rivian. So will we have to upgrade the entire roadway system too? How about all those worn tires?

Unfortunately new EPA regulations being proposed to squeeze ICE vehicles even more to push EVs.

BSSN

Dude...his MY weighs 4400# or so, lol!

Same as an F150
Same as a BMW X3
A whopping 300# more than a Crown Vic.

It's not heavy.

FAUEE

So it rides rough because it's a POS designed to be cheap.

MitchSpence

Sure, let’s become dependent on China for something else. Wouldn’t it be nice if our collective governments would actually plan for something? And China just keeps handing us more rope.

FAUEE

that's because they own our collective governments. The last guy to even slightly put up a fight with China was Trump, and you see how quickly they weaponkzed the judicial system against him.

Just wait until they start dumping their super cheap EVs made with slave labor here. They'll put all our auto industry out of business and our politicians will argue it was corporate greed or the unions.

70T/A400

4400 lbs isn't heavy for an SUV with an interior designed by the prison service and takes so long to get to your destination that you're better off usIng a carrier pigeon?

And you are comparing it to a pick-up. Are you high?

BSSN

Tesla didnt do it any favors in the suspension and tire profile department for sure.

BSSN

Why do we need Chinese EVs?

FAUEE

Because that's who will build them. That's where almostnall electronics are built. That's where you can build battery cells cheap and without concern of environmental regulations. That's who benefits from a "paradigm shift" in vehicle sales.

Hate it or love it, the franchised dealer of ICE vehicles did a lot of keep cheap Chinese forced labor cars out of the US. First they would have had to find someone willing to franchise dealers and invest money into showrooms for them, as well as have trained technicians, parts, etc. They'd also have to convince people that their engines, transmissions, etc are total.crap and would likely have to offer a HUUUGE warranty ala Kia and Hyundai.

But now that we let EV companies ignore franchise dealer laws, that's all out the window. They just have to set up a website and they can sell you the cars directly. They don't have to have Americans involved and investing in it and taking their share of any profits.

But most.importantly, since they now control their whole sales process, they can sell at a loss without anyone pitching a fit. They don't have a franchised dealer who screams about how he has to sell them for less than he buys them for., or that a fixed margin they give him is too low to cover his overhead. They can dump product into the US at below cost prices, claim it's their efficiency and labor advantages, and only have to report to the CCP how much of the market share they're taking and how many American companies are shuttered because they had to turn a profit.

And because our media and politicians are overall owned by the CCP, they'll open the doors for them and probably give them incentives.

Hate him.or.love him, Trump's 100% tariff on Chinese cars doesn't go far enough. It should be 1000%, and it should apply to any carsadd in China, regardless of maker, and any vehicle brand owned by or based out of China, regardless of country of manufacturing.

Capn Hook

Auto desire is subjective. And your point about interest rates is moot as this is standard across all autos.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-ev-tax-credit

BSSN

Not Tesla.
Not my Kia.
Not the Mach E.
Not the Chevy Bolt, even.

I mean, again...why do we need Chinese EV's?

If you want to talk about China, let's discuss the Ford 10-speed auto made in China. Or this thread:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-in-china.html

I sure as hell know MY car has nothing in it from China. 99% Korean right on the window sticker, and they got their Lithium from Australia. I deal with allies only.

BSSN

You're right, all auto sales are down. Also yes, you don't see the EV6 on the incentives list. EV sales continue to trend upward in the US.
https://www.enerwrap.com/p/us-electric-vehicle-monthly

FAUEE

They may not be right now. But when some Chinese company.y comes out and drops some **** box at $12k that people can buy, and then stuff comparable to your car for $20-30k, how many people do you think will say "yeah I'll go pay double for that Kia". Not many. Those companies won't price to make money, they'll price to do damage. That's their plan from the CCP, undercut and destroy. They've done it in every market they've had access to, everything from metals, to toys, electronics, and pharmaceutical bases.

You're focused on what's made there now. You've got tomlook 5, 10 years out.

TLS_Addict

They trend up till they hit the peak. The peak s where? It can't replace gas vehicles till the infrastructure exists and you're not hampered with long charge times. I wouldn't mind an EV, and it would fit the bill for 99% of my driving. But I also drive for pleasure and like the look of vehicles. There is not an attractive EV out there, at least in my opinion.

Snowwolfe

Speak of the devil........was at the Cherokee Casino in NC yesterday and on my drive out seen a nice Lucid.
Nice car, but wow are they expensive.

TLS_Addict

Nice. Expensive. And very boring. Seen a couple and not even remotely interested.

BSSN

Just like they did with gas vehicles?

BSSN

The looks need work, but I've never stressed too hard there and owned all sorts of stuff.

hawkgfr

If they are growing any market share its because of increased sales world wide and the fact that they have to have government assistance and mandates to artificially boost sales...EV inventory is growing on delar lots everywhere here in the US...and manufacturers are cutting new models and expansions and new EV plants are being canceled as well as supporting businesses like battery plants...


Reality is EV's evolution been set back 20 years at least from what I see and not a minute too soon.......I also love it that even the mighty Tesla uses a gas powered Ford for service vehicles... Irony is always awesome...