Motor Trend - Z07 VS Nissan GT-R Nismo
02-03-2015, 07:29 PM
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02-03-2015, 07:31 PM
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I'm not saying they cheated in this case. I just implied that it would be typical if they had, i.e., I took a gratuitous swipe at Nissan, in response to it being the other car in the test. That's just how I roll when I see "GT-R". I frankly didn't even pay attention to the Nismo's numbers, because I don't care. Not entirely logical, but that's how it is. I will recognize that the GT-R numbers seemed to be legit as of 2012 - cars consistently ran the same numbers as the mag tests, but again, I really don't care much about the car, so I haven't followed it
What I AM concerned about, is the Z06's numbers. I think we can all agree that it should perform better than that and that it is certainly not living up to Tadge's billing of the ultimate track machine. I'm also understanding why we are not seeing a 'ring time. The car would not be able to complete a lap without overheating and slowing down, based on what we see here. Tadge telling everyone to "just do the math" is also dishonest.
What I AM concerned about, is the Z06's numbers. I think we can all agree that it should perform better than that and that it is certainly not living up to Tadge's billing of the ultimate track machine. I'm also understanding why we are not seeing a 'ring time. The car would not be able to complete a lap without overheating and slowing down, based on what we see here. Tadge telling everyone to "just do the math" is also dishonest.
Nissan lies about the GTR whenever it suits them.
02-03-2015, 07:37 PM
#123
Race Director
At least he is not cobbling a fictitious "ring lap" together from ideal segment times. Oops, there goes another gratuitous swipe at Nissan.
I believe they (GM) will get this sorted out, but it may be a while... When we see the car do a 7:09, we'll know the cooling is sorted out.
02-03-2015, 07:41 PM
#124
Burning Brakes
Just read the write up & I don't know if anyone else commented on this or not (I didn't read every post) but Motor Trend messed up the balance of the car by taking off the center wicker bill searching for more top end speed.
It's still an impressive car in my book. Only a tenth slower during 0-60 & quarter mile test against a double clutch automatic. I'm assuming a manual is more than a tenth slower than the automatic so I'm not sweating that comparison. The Z06 pulls more g's, & stops shorter.
I don't know about the overheating problem, maybe a oil cooler is the answer for guys that aren't going to just cruise around in their cars.
I still can't wait for mine to get shipped
I'd like to see another test with the stage I or II aero package with the eight speed for it to be a apples to apples test...
It's still an impressive car in my book. Only a tenth slower during 0-60 & quarter mile test against a double clutch automatic. I'm assuming a manual is more than a tenth slower than the automatic so I'm not sweating that comparison. The Z06 pulls more g's, & stops shorter.
I don't know about the overheating problem, maybe a oil cooler is the answer for guys that aren't going to just cruise around in their cars.
I still can't wait for mine to get shipped
I'd like to see another test with the stage I or II aero package with the eight speed for it to be a apples to apples test...
02-03-2015, 07:46 PM
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not sure if that is more funny or sad in how wrong that statement is. if you wanted to intelligently take a swipe at Nissan you could say they ran the NISMO at the ring with an optional time attack upgrade package that costs more than a base Z06 and is only available in a couple countries at the moment sure.... but the ideal segment time argument you dreamed up discredits any point you are trying to get across.
look I know more about this car than any one outside of Nissan/NISMO in the entire world so I got to call that out as its clearly untrue
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02-03-2015, 07:47 PM
#126
I'm not saying they cheated in this case and I never answered your question because it's obvious what happened to the Z06 once it got on the track. I just implied that it would be typical if Nissan had cheated..., i.e., I took a gratuitous swipe at Nissan, in response to it being the other car in the test. That's just how I roll when I see "GT-R". I frankly didn't even pay attention to the Nismo's numbers, because I don't care. Not entirely logical, but that's how it is. I will recognize that the GT-R numbers seemed to be legit as of 2012 - cars consistently ran the same numbers as the mag tests, but again, I really don't care much about the car, so I haven't followed it
What I AM concerned about, is the Z06's numbers. I think we can all agree that it should perform better than that and that it is certainly not living up to Tadge's billing of the ultimate track machine. I'm also understanding why we are not seeing a 'ring time. The car would not be able to complete a lap without overheating and slowing down, based on what we see here. Tadge telling everyone to "just do the math" is also dishonest.
What I AM concerned about, is the Z06's numbers. I think we can all agree that it should perform better than that and that it is certainly not living up to Tadge's billing of the ultimate track machine. I'm also understanding why we are not seeing a 'ring time. The car would not be able to complete a lap without overheating and slowing down, based on what we see here. Tadge telling everyone to "just do the math" is also dishonest.
02-03-2015, 07:49 PM
#127
Just read the write up & I don't know if anyone else commented on this or not (I didn't read every post) but Motor Trend messed up the balance of the car by taking off the center wicker bill searching for more top end speed.
It's still an impressive car in my book. Only a tenth slower during 0-60 & quarter mile test against a double clutch automatic. I'm assuming a manual is more than a tenth slower than the automatic so I'm not sweating that comparison. The Z06 pulls more g's, & stops shorter.
I don't know about the overheating problem, maybe a oil cooler is the answer for guys that aren't going to just cruise around in their cars.
I still can't wait for mine to get shipped
I'd like to see another test with the stage I or II aero package with the eight speed for it to be a apples to apples test...
It's still an impressive car in my book. Only a tenth slower during 0-60 & quarter mile test against a double clutch automatic. I'm assuming a manual is more than a tenth slower than the automatic so I'm not sweating that comparison. The Z06 pulls more g's, & stops shorter.
I don't know about the overheating problem, maybe a oil cooler is the answer for guys that aren't going to just cruise around in their cars.
I still can't wait for mine to get shipped
I'd like to see another test with the stage I or II aero package with the eight speed for it to be a apples to apples test...
According to MT - no A8 was available for the test - this is what GM sent.
02-03-2015, 07:50 PM
#128
Race Director
I'm not saying they cheated in this case and I never answered your question because it's obvious what happened to the Z06 once it got on the track. I just implied that it would be typical if Nissan had cheated..., i.e., I took a gratuitous swipe at Nissan, in response to it being the other car in the test. That's just how I roll when I see "GT-R". I frankly didn't even pay attention to the Nismo's numbers, because I don't care. Not entirely logical, but that's how it is. I will recognize that the GT-R numbers seemed to be legit as of 2012 - cars consistently ran the same numbers as the mag tests, but again, I really don't care much about the car, so I haven't followed it
What I AM concerned about, is the Z06's numbers. I think we can all agree that it should perform better than that and that it is certainly not living up to Tadge's billing of the ultimate track machine. I'm also understanding why we are not seeing a 'ring time. The car would not be able to complete a lap without overheating and slowing down, based on what we see here. Tadge telling everyone to "just do the math" is also dishonest.
What I AM concerned about, is the Z06's numbers. I think we can all agree that it should perform better than that and that it is certainly not living up to Tadge's billing of the ultimate track machine. I'm also understanding why we are not seeing a 'ring time. The car would not be able to complete a lap without overheating and slowing down, based on what we see here. Tadge telling everyone to "just do the math" is also dishonest.
02-03-2015, 07:54 PM
#129
Drifting
Get it some time
Been following the C7/Z06 Forum for a while now and there just always seems to be something popping up in a negative manner,,,,,,,
Whether it is slower track times than expected, or heat soak, or creeking, squeaking, roof panels, or orange peel, it seems that it is something all the time.
I do not enjoy any of it, as I really wanted to buy one, but no way at this time.
I was concerned about the damn supercharger and that seems to be a weak link.
The preferred power plant was a N/A like the older LS 7 but because of emissions regs, they could not use it.
Stinks that GM had to settle for a 2nd choice.
I do believe that the car will get better over the next 2 years as long as all the engineering dollars are not already allocated to the Zora.
Reading the Motor Trend test at Willow against the GTR was a major bummer.
Dislke the GTR huge,,,,,,,,
Whether it is slower track times than expected, or heat soak, or creeking, squeaking, roof panels, or orange peel, it seems that it is something all the time.
I do not enjoy any of it, as I really wanted to buy one, but no way at this time.
I was concerned about the damn supercharger and that seems to be a weak link.
The preferred power plant was a N/A like the older LS 7 but because of emissions regs, they could not use it.
Stinks that GM had to settle for a 2nd choice.
I do believe that the car will get better over the next 2 years as long as all the engineering dollars are not already allocated to the Zora.
Reading the Motor Trend test at Willow against the GTR was a major bummer.
Dislke the GTR huge,,,,,,,,
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02-03-2015, 08:14 PM
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I don't get the dislike of an inanimate object, at the least an appreciation of the engineering, etc... should be extended. Innovation in this sector is important for the future.
02-03-2015, 09:01 PM
#131
Melting Slicks
Not entirely true
FYI, it was 2.5 sec faster than the ZR1 and 5 sec fast than the C6Z around Willow Springs. It has the fastest lap time at Willow Springs of any GM car. How do you figure a C6Z is a a better performing car, if it runs 5 sec slower per lap?
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow_springs.html
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow_springs.html
02-03-2015, 09:41 PM
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Put the same tires on both cars and see what happens.Any track with any lengthy straights and the c7 z06 is toast.Why no Nurburgring time?Cause its not good thats why.Losing to a Hellcat that weighs 4400 pounds in a roll race isnt to good either.And no mention of top speed anywhere.And the VIR time is baloney because that track has since been re designed and is much wider than when they ran the Zr1.Nice looks ,nice interior,great brakes and handling but 650 h.p should be moving a lot faster than it does.Blower, conservative tune, heat soak, whatever it is get it fixed or get ridiculed.
Quoting the times from GY tired Z06 tested in '05 as was done earlier, is disingenuous at best. How about these times at Willow Springs...
1. Nissan GT-R Nismo 1:19.07 '15 599 / 1720 Randy Pobst
2. Nissan GT-R 1:19.55 '12 550 / 1736 Randy Pobst
3. Nissan GT-R 1:20.25 '11 530 / 1736 Randy Pobst
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:20.43 '11 512 / 1394 Randy Pobst
Yes, let's compare apples to apples - I cut the above out of the post I had in page 3 of this opus....
02-03-2015, 09:46 PM
#133
Quoting the times from GY tired Z06 tested in '05 as was done earlier, is disingenuous at best. How about these times at Willow Springs...
1. Nissan GT-R Nismo 1:19.07 '15 599 / 1720 Randy Pobst
2. Nissan GT-R 1:19.55 '12 550 / 1736 Randy Pobst
3. Nissan GT-R 1:20.25 '11 530 / 1736 Randy Pobst
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:20.43 '11 512 / 1394 Randy Pobst
Yes, let's compare apples to apples - I cut the above out of the post I had in page 3 of this opus....
Streets of Willow (your original post and above): http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow...of_willow.html
Willow Springs "Big Willow" (where the GT-R Nismo & the C7 Z06 ran): http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow_springs.html
02-03-2015, 09:47 PM
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Chevrolet,
Cost of two linear actuators, $75. Weight, 6lbs. Attach one device to the rear spoiler and the other using linkage to the front brake ducts (along with some plastic panels to block the openings). Results, reducing the drag exponentially after 120mph, which improve efficiency, increase top speed/acceleration and lower the load on the engine which could help with overheating.
Thanks,
A valued customer who's wife has active aero on her $55k Cayman.
Cost of two linear actuators, $75. Weight, 6lbs. Attach one device to the rear spoiler and the other using linkage to the front brake ducts (along with some plastic panels to block the openings). Results, reducing the drag exponentially after 120mph, which improve efficiency, increase top speed/acceleration and lower the load on the engine which could help with overheating.
Thanks,
A valued customer who's wife has active aero on her $55k Cayman.
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02-03-2015, 10:05 PM
#135
Melting Slicks
Put the same tires on both cars and see what happens.Any track with any lengthy straights and the c7 z06 is toast.Why no Nurburgring time?Cause its not good thats why.Losing to a Hellcat that weighs 4400 pounds in a roll race isnt to good either.And no mention of top speed anywhere.And the VIR time is baloney because that track has since been re designed and is much wider than when they ran the Zr1.Nice looks ,nice interior,great brakes and handling but 650 h.p should be moving a lot faster than it does.Blower, conservative tune, heat soak, whatever it is get it fixed or get ridiculed.
Don't worry, Tadge Motors is making up for the transformer looks, bloated curb weight, undersized blower, dime store paint finish, and lack of DCT by increasing the price. You can't make this stuff up. In the last 18 months I've gone from highly likely buyer to no f'ing way would I ever touch this thing now.
02-03-2015, 10:23 PM
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02-03-2015, 10:47 PM
#138
folks...this is year ONE of the ZO6. Heat soak, if really an issue, I am sure will be worked out.
How the hell is the C7 a better daily driver than the GTR? I rode in a friends GT-R and it had the road manner of a maxima. I didn't even know I was in a sports car. I find that claim by MT suspect.
By mid production run, the C7Z will solidify itself as the best performance vette ever, IMO. If it's is not there yet, It will be soon. I will admit though, its disappointing to hear and read about all the heat soak issues.
How the hell is the C7 a better daily driver than the GTR? I rode in a friends GT-R and it had the road manner of a maxima. I didn't even know I was in a sports car. I find that claim by MT suspect.
By mid production run, the C7Z will solidify itself as the best performance vette ever, IMO. If it's is not there yet, It will be soon. I will admit though, its disappointing to hear and read about all the heat soak issues.
02-03-2015, 10:51 PM
#139
Race Director
^lmao
02-03-2015, 10:53 PM
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