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Old 04-02-2014, 05:55 PM
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I looked starting at 2003 and up because that the "newer" body style.

And don't tell me it's the 150K miles......does that REALLY cause THAT much depreciation?

I'm seeing quite a few on craigslist for ~$8500, which peaked my curiosity.

Here's just one.....

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/4394196095.html

I'd love to pick one of those up for my daily diver/commuter. And I only commute 15 miles roundtrip.....so I'm not asking a lot out of a car for that.

I thought that price was too good to be true. But there's quite a few of them out there. So I Blue Booked them (kbb.com)......and they show ~$6000. So what I thought was too good to be true.....might actually be a bit high!

Somebody with experience on these help me out here. I can deal with some high maintenance costs. Hell......I'm sure I've voluntarily put way more into my Vette and GTO in performance mods than I would spend on one of these as a commuter.

I'm seriously considering snatching one of these.

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Because you can easily pay the purchasing price in annual repairs on a car like this one.
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Because you can easily pay the purchasing price in annual repairs on a car like this one.
Sounds like a crappy design. I've had Volvo's and Acuras go past 250K with nothing but tires, brakes, and fluid changes for maintenance.

With the driving that I would plan on using this car for I could see it being in my hands for 5 years and still not hit 200K.

You'd think a $70K car (or whatever they were new) be built with a bit more longevity in mind.

Of course, your answer probably does answer my question though.....

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Originally Posted by X-ZZ4
Sounds like a crappy design. I've had Volvo's and Acuras go past 250K with nothing but tires, brakes, and fluid changes for maintenance.

With the driving that I would plan on using this car for I could see it being in my hands for 5 years and still not hit 200K.

You'd think a $70K car (or whatever they were new) be built with a bit more longevity in mind.

Of course, your answer probably does answer my question though.....
Transmission failures are not uncommon and will run you $$$. At 150km you probably need to rebuild vanos, replace a bunch of suspension components, etc, etc. Plus the car needs premium and only gets upper teens on the combined cycle. In other words, you get a very expensive car to upkeep.

These are the reasons why these cars are so inexpensive on the used market. Few can afford to keep a car as expensive as this one and these who can would rather buy/lease a new car.
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Their biggest flaw is the failure of valve seals..google it. It usually costs ~7k to fix it, but it happens around 60k
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I wouldn't touch that car with a 10ft pole!
Those cars had so many issues when they came out, mostly electronics gremlins. RUN!

If you are looking for a used luxury sedan, look at a 2003+ MB S class. They are in the same ball park.
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I wouldn't touch that car with a 10ft pole!
Those cars had so many issues when they came out, mostly electronics gremlins. RUN!

If you are looking for a used luxury sedan, look at a 2003+ MB S class. They are in the same ball park.
Good advice. But they seem to be far and few between at that price. Need to add a couple thousand or so to see a decent selection. At least that I've seen locally. But perhaps that couple of extra thousands might be well worth it.
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Since when is $150K cheap?
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No warranty, no BMW.
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8500!!!! Wow , when you said cheap I expected 4-5k. The 03 is the ugly highly debate able Bangle design and the early yrs had tranny issues. They are 7k cars all day yet I wouldn't touch one unless it led a pampered/serviced life. And I've had quite a few 7 series , I love them, just not in that era. Try and hold out for a 750li for just a few grand more.
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Originally Posted by LTC Z06
Since when is $150K cheap?
I think he meant 150,000 miles.
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i will never ever ever ever again own a bmw out of warranty.

it will cost you about 30-40 cents a mile over the long haul, esp. if you eclipse the 100k mark.

don't ask me why i know this.

every time you fart wrong, the car stops and asks you for $500 to pass go.
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Originally Posted by SLO VETTE
i will never ever ever ever again own a bmw out of warranty.

it will cost you about 30-40 cents a mile over the long haul, esp. if you eclipse the 100k mark.

don't ask me why i know this.

every time you fart wrong, the car stops and asks you for $500 to pass go.
I agree. I used to have 08 E60 535 lighting model went out 2 weeks after purchasing it. Luckily I had an extended warranty and it was covered otherwise it would been $860.00. Battery also died and they wanted $550.00 due to programming not covered by warranty. Went to walmart said screw programming for $110.00.

The E39's would be a much better choice and tend to be a bit cheaper
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Ok.....you all have steered me away from the big Beemer, thanks for the input.

How about downsizing a bit.....here's a nice looking MB C230 Sport. I see quite a few a bit less too, but this one looks quite appealing.....



Details here.....

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/4395777416.html
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Keep in mind that many of the cars on used car lots were bought at auctions, meaning many of them are repos and not wanted by dealerships.
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Keep in mind that many of the cars on used car lots were bought at auctions, meaning many of them are repos and not wanted by dealerships.
Thanks. But yeah, well aware of that, and I actually normally just search private party as I'm a full cash buyer. But this one looked "pretty" ......and it's just an example of what I'm now looking at.
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What you need to keep in mind is $100K cars have equivalent costs of maintenance.

Just because you can buy one cheap does not equate with a good deal. Like any used car, they are being sold that cheap because the cost to maintain one at a certain point becomes more than the car is worth.
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Ask GTrain why you shouldn't own a BMW out of warranty.
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or any euro v12 car,talk about matinece costs
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Originally Posted by X-ZZ4
Ok.....you all have steered me away from the big Beemer, thanks for the input.

How about downsizing a bit.....here's a nice looking MB C230 Sport. I see quite a few a bit less too, but this one looks quite appealing.....



Details here.....

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/4395777416.html
0-60 in about 8 seconds? Why not just buy an Accord at that point?
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