2013 Mustang GT 5.0 Hurricane 32 valve engine
#2
Drifting
I would say they are pretty equal. The HEMI powertrain in the Challengers are pretty reliable and it is paired to a great transmission. The Mustang has a good powertrain, but it is paired to a ****** getrag transmission.
#3
Team Owner
Thread Starter
I have heard that the 5.7 Challenger with automatic transmission with that Multi Displacement System (MDS) is having problems blowing off timing chains.
#4
Race Director
I have a 2012 5.0 with the automatic. From what I have read on the forums, the automatic is the way to go on these cars for reliability. People have been building the power north of 600hp and still running strong with the bone stock auto. Manuals... not so much.
I was over on challengerforumz and there have been a number of people reporting broken timing chains on the 5.7s not the 6.1 or 6.4 engines. I imagine the 6.4s would be pretty damn solid. The Challengers transmissions are built in Germany which I thought they would be a Getrag since they are German but meh.
-Alex
I was over on challengerforumz and there have been a number of people reporting broken timing chains on the 5.7s not the 6.1 or 6.4 engines. I imagine the 6.4s would be pretty damn solid. The Challengers transmissions are built in Germany which I thought they would be a Getrag since they are German but meh.
-Alex
#5
Team Owner
Thread Starter
I have a 2012 5.0 with the automatic. From what I have read on the forums, the automatic is the way to go on these cars for reliability. People have been building the power north of 600hp and still running strong with the bone stock auto. Manuals... not so much.
I was over on challengerforumz and there have been a number of people reporting broken timing chains on the 5.7s not the 6.1 or 6.4 engines. I imagine the 6.4s would be pretty damn solid. The Challengers transmissions are built in Germany which I thought they would be a Getrag since they are German but meh.
-Alex
I was over on challengerforumz and there have been a number of people reporting broken timing chains on the 5.7s not the 6.1 or 6.4 engines. I imagine the 6.4s would be pretty damn solid. The Challengers transmissions are built in Germany which I thought they would be a Getrag since they are German but meh.
-Alex
I have not heard anything good about Dodge Challengers just that the 5.7 engines with the Multi Displacement System with automatic transmissions are blowing their timing chains and poor customer dealer service in solving this problem along with quality control issues.
On the Challenger I would go with the manual transmission anyway whether it be R/T or SRT. Too bad the V6 SXT only comes in automatic.
At least Ford makes their V6 model in both transmissions.
So the 6.1 and 6.4 engines with automatics are not having this problem because they would also have that MDS feature for fuel economy
Last edited by LS WON; 07-19-2013 at 01:12 PM.
#6
Race Director
From what I understand, Getrag itself isn't a bad company but they are having plenty of their transmission built in China. If you are familiar with the 1993-2002 Supra twin turbo, the 6 speed is a Getrag unit and is strong enough to live daily with 1,000hp. BONE STOCK. I believe that transmission was built in Germany though, but can't verify.
There was a lady at my job that had/as(not sure she doesn't work here anymore) a 2011 GT California Special and had to have the transmission serviced 4 times while I knew her here. I don't know if the 6.1s or 6.4s are having the chain issues that the R/T cars do but, when I was more frequent on that forum, the R/T owners were the ones that reported the issues. So that doesn't really mean anything one way or another. I wouldn't buy an R/T anyway, a used SRT is the way to go for me at least. But I would go with the auto. One of the main reasons I went with the Mustang, no cylinder deactivation. Running on all 8 all the time.
-Alex
There was a lady at my job that had/as(not sure she doesn't work here anymore) a 2011 GT California Special and had to have the transmission serviced 4 times while I knew her here. I don't know if the 6.1s or 6.4s are having the chain issues that the R/T cars do but, when I was more frequent on that forum, the R/T owners were the ones that reported the issues. So that doesn't really mean anything one way or another. I wouldn't buy an R/T anyway, a used SRT is the way to go for me at least. But I would go with the auto. One of the main reasons I went with the Mustang, no cylinder deactivation. Running on all 8 all the time.
-Alex
#7
Drifting
You mean the coyote 5.0? The hurricane is the different 6.2's in the trucks.
The 5.7's I had heard of the timing chain issue, but I suspect it is being blown out of proportion.
The 5.0's did have manual trans problems, but honestly can't say I've heard of any recently(not that I'm actively looking mind you). Dunno if quality control was put on high alert or what, but I wouldn't be afraid of getting one personally. The auto, no major complaints I've seen.
As far as the Challenger, the auto is a modified Benz unit, built to take some abuse. It is also geared a hair more optimally for the quarter mile. Most owners seem to say on any given day/driver, the auto is faster usually. The manual is the TR6060. Both transmissions seem to be good choices.
Neither auto, nor manual 6.1 have MDS cylinder shut down. Only the auto 5.7's have MDS. This also gives them a different hp rating then the 6 speed 5.7. I think the 6 speed 5.7 revs a little higher too, but could be crazy. Also, the auto 6.4 has MDS, despite being hp rated identically as the non-MDS 6.4 which has always struck me as odd.
Me personally, I'd go with the mustang. I couldn't buy a Challenger on principle alone that it is the only performance car still made with an iron block. Factor in price and performance specs, mustang easy for me.
You have to want to buy a Challenger, to even look at a Challenger. If you want a performance car, it starts to drown in a sea of big numbers competition.
The 5.7's I had heard of the timing chain issue, but I suspect it is being blown out of proportion.
The 5.0's did have manual trans problems, but honestly can't say I've heard of any recently(not that I'm actively looking mind you). Dunno if quality control was put on high alert or what, but I wouldn't be afraid of getting one personally. The auto, no major complaints I've seen.
As far as the Challenger, the auto is a modified Benz unit, built to take some abuse. It is also geared a hair more optimally for the quarter mile. Most owners seem to say on any given day/driver, the auto is faster usually. The manual is the TR6060. Both transmissions seem to be good choices.
Neither auto, nor manual 6.1 have MDS cylinder shut down. Only the auto 5.7's have MDS. This also gives them a different hp rating then the 6 speed 5.7. I think the 6 speed 5.7 revs a little higher too, but could be crazy. Also, the auto 6.4 has MDS, despite being hp rated identically as the non-MDS 6.4 which has always struck me as odd.
Me personally, I'd go with the mustang. I couldn't buy a Challenger on principle alone that it is the only performance car still made with an iron block. Factor in price and performance specs, mustang easy for me.
You have to want to buy a Challenger, to even look at a Challenger. If you want a performance car, it starts to drown in a sea of big numbers competition.
#8
Team Owner
Thread Starter
From what I understand, Getrag itself isn't a bad company but they are having plenty of their transmission built in China. If you are familiar with the 1993-2002 Supra twin turbo, the 6 speed is a Getrag unit and is strong enough to live daily with 1,000hp. BONE STOCK. I believe that transmission was built in Germany though, but can't verify.
There was a lady at my job that had/as(not sure she doesn't work here anymore) a 2011 GT California Special and had to have the transmission serviced 4 times while I knew her here. I don't know if the 6.1s or 6.4s are having the chain issues that the R/T cars do but, when I was more frequent on that forum, the R/T owners were the ones that reported the issues. So that doesn't really mean anything one way or another. I wouldn't buy an R/T anyway, a used SRT is the way to go for me at least. But I would go with the auto. One of the main reasons I went with the Mustang, no cylinder deactivation. Running on all 8 all the time.
-Alex
There was a lady at my job that had/as(not sure she doesn't work here anymore) a 2011 GT California Special and had to have the transmission serviced 4 times while I knew her here. I don't know if the 6.1s or 6.4s are having the chain issues that the R/T cars do but, when I was more frequent on that forum, the R/T owners were the ones that reported the issues. So that doesn't really mean anything one way or another. I wouldn't buy an R/T anyway, a used SRT is the way to go for me at least. But I would go with the auto. One of the main reasons I went with the Mustang, no cylinder deactivation. Running on all 8 all the time.
-Alex
#10
Team Owner
Thread Starter
I have a 2012 5.0 with the automatic. From what I have read on the forums, the automatic is the way to go on these cars for reliability. People have been building the power north of 600hp and still running strong with the bone stock auto. Manuals... not so much.
I was over on challengerforumz and there have been a number of people reporting broken timing chains on the 5.7s not the 6.1 or 6.4 engines. I imagine the 6.4s would be pretty damn solid. The Challengers transmissions are built in Germany which I thought they would be a Getrag since they are German but meh.
-Alex
I was over on challengerforumz and there have been a number of people reporting broken timing chains on the 5.7s not the 6.1 or 6.4 engines. I imagine the 6.4s would be pretty damn solid. The Challengers transmissions are built in Germany which I thought they would be a Getrag since they are German but meh.
-Alex